Is the Antichrist coming, or has already come? (408)
Lookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Postsaussielegend41: now i feel spethal...
i got to go assist guy take gear box out of a ute, hope you all enjoy ur afternoon, byies
robplum: i got to go assist guy take gear box out of a ute, hope you all enjoy ur afternoon, byies
cya after Mr Rob 
Lookin4missright: cya after Mr Rob
Phew! for a min I thought hes goin to take a ute out of a gearbox.
tonyxf: Phew! for a min I thought hes goin to take a ute out of a gearbox.
just went out to check my ute, just in case All good 
box still there 
Martia: No Rev in my opinion there is no Antichrist never was... never will be.
Its just the abject terror of people through the ages trying to justify life after death.... or opportunists gaining power through that fear.
Yes Rev I am agnostic and that means I will believe it if I see it,a better word is a Realist.
As always JMO ....has to be in Religion and Politics.
I would never presume to do that! as I have no right at all.
Its just the abject terror of people through the ages trying to justify life after death.... or opportunists gaining power through that fear.
Yes Rev I am agnostic and that means I will believe it if I see it,a better word is a Realist.
As always JMO ....has to be in Religion and Politics.
I would never presume to do that! as I have no right at all.
One doesn't need to be religious to know that there were various people anointed to certain offices in the ancient Jewish society. You can glean that much from history.
Since "anointed" in Greek is "christos", the anti-Christ is a person who opposed a particular anointed person.
So yes, even agnostics should understand that there were many antichrists in history.
How do agnostics believe history? Can you go and see Seneca or others? So if ancient writings mention a person by name you will not believe he existed because you cannot see him?
jimbob47: Once again common sense by the young lady
You have a right to believe what you will Rev just don't cram it down our throats please !!!
You have a right to believe what you will Rev just don't cram it down our throats please !!!
???
What makes you think that I am trying to "cram it down your throats"?
revealer24: ???
What makes you think that I am trying to "cram it down your throats"?
LOLWhat makes you think that I am trying to "cram it down your throats"?
tonyxf: LOL
LolAgentAjax: The name Lucifer was associated with Satan way before Latin Greek translations. In the life of Adam and Eve fallen angels, fall of a man Lucifer. Satan ..etc everything was there since the Canaatie story of Enki and Enlil.
As for your claim the poor translations in the NT is also questionable because it was not translated, it was written in Koine Greek.
As for your claim the poor translations in the NT is also questionable because it was not translated, it was written in Koine Greek.
1. There is a growing consensus that the NT was written in Hebrew, not Greek:
2. The name "Lucifer" cannot be found anywhere except for the KJV.
3. The idea of fallen angels were adopted from Pagan religions, it cannot be found in ancient Judaism. Angels cannot fall because they cannot sin. Even Satan is the faithful servant of God (see Job), with a task to carry out, such as the attorney in God's court, the "accuser of brethren" in the NT, the tester / tempter.
The poor translation I am talking about is the Latin Vulgate (translated from Greek) from which the name "Lucifer" was derived and put into the KJV, but no other bibles in the whole world that I know of have the term.
The Canaanite story may very well is the derivative of a much earlier creation story. In my model all these stories were derived and more or less distorted from a single original.
4. What Pagans associated Lucifer with I don't really care.
Martia: We are born, we live, we die.
Very true observation from an agnostic. I second that
revealer24: The poor translation I am talking about is the Latin Vulgate (translated from Greek) from which the name "Lucifer" was derived and put into the KJV, but no other bibles in the whole world that I know of have the term.
Trust the catholics translate anything to suit themselves. Bit like yourself there Rev>
revealer24: One doesn't need to be religious to know that there were various people anointed to certain offices in the ancient Jewish society. You can glean that much from history.
Since "anointed" in Greek is "christos", the anti-Christ is a person who opposed a particular anointed person.
So yes, even agnostics should understand that there were many antichrists in history.
How do agnostics believe history? Can you go and see Seneca or others? So if ancient writings mention a person by name you will not believe he existed because you cannot see him?
Since "anointed" in Greek is "christos", the anti-Christ is a person who opposed a particular anointed person.
So yes, even agnostics should understand that there were many antichrists in history.
How do agnostics believe history? Can you go and see Seneca or others? So if ancient writings mention a person by name you will not believe he existed because you cannot see him?
I thought it was either Isus (Isis) or Hristos - Horus which derived for the word Horizon, short for Horus has risen.
robplum: ...[culled because I could not post my reply]...
The twenty-seven words the Buddha said containing the whole path containing the causes and cessation of our sufferings and going beyond "Enlightenment" are (the twenty-seven words) expressed in probably hundreds of thousands of explanations expressed by qualified students of the school of thought. Qualified people like HHDL and his qualified teachers in all four schools of the Mahayana Schools of thought.
Takes patients, like my time in Euroa trying to comprehend and find understanding in the Australian Constitution to a level i could correctly construct based in law an application to file in the High Court. Took three and half months for a penny to drop, until then was just giggly-gog. Throughout the time i spent looking into that a reread and reread books right through until it made sense.
Throughout my short schooling (second year high) i was in special reading classes, i could not and still cannot spell, but worked out all Judges and members of the Judiciary have a legal obligation to uphold the scheduled of the Constitution...
The twenty-seven words the Buddha said containing the whole path containing the causes and cessation of our sufferings and going beyond "Enlightenment" are (the twenty-seven words) expressed in probably hundreds of thousands of explanations expressed by qualified students of the school of thought. Qualified people like HHDL and his qualified teachers in all four schools of the Mahayana Schools of thought.
Takes patients, like my time in Euroa trying to comprehend and find understanding in the Australian Constitution to a level i could correctly construct based in law an application to file in the High Court. Took three and half months for a penny to drop, until then was just giggly-gog. Throughout the time i spent looking into that a reread and reread books right through until it made sense.
Throughout my short schooling (second year high) i was in special reading classes, i could not and still cannot spell, but worked out all Judges and members of the Judiciary have a legal obligation to uphold the scheduled of the Constitution...
Huh, that was a bit complicated to my simple mind :-)
I think agnostics do not try to take a position regarding religion because they say we cannot possibly know if there is a God. I can live with that. But Martia has not shown being an agnostic, rather, she seems to be a strong atheist in what she writes. Beyond that she doesn't seem to agree with the idea that one is allowed to discuss religion on a religious thread
I think the problem is with the website itself. On the international forum you have various divisions, so religion has its own section. In the Australian forum there is no such a division, all posts get dumped on the same page and even though I select "religion" from the drop-down list before posting it, it doesn't seem to show it anywhere, except on the top of the page (that nobody reads) once you read the post.
So I don't hold her guilty for these attacks
I think what I will do is simply go to the international forums where these kinds of posts are tolerated much better.
Lookin4missright: Jeez Uncle Rob, u gonna need to change the ribbon if you keep writing all those thousands of words I aint readin all dat
I think he just tries to beat me on long monologues
tonyxf: Between you and uncle rob we goin to run out of room on cs. you dont write a lot but take up as much room with ur emotes.
... and the newline characters
tonyxf: Trust the catholics translate anything to suit themselves.
Bit like yourself there Rev>
Bit like yourself there Rev>
??? Did I translate anything but the jokes from Hungarian?
AgentAjax: I thought it was either Isus (Isis) or Hristos - Horus which derived for the word Horizon, short for Horus has risen.
"Iesus" is a transliteration of Yeshua into Greek. "Christos" in Greek means "anointed". It is equivalent to the Hebrew "Messiah" (or "Mashiach"). They have nothing to do with Isis and Horus, but the Greek church fathers converted the originally Jewish story into a Paganised version with virgin birth and "mother of God", etc.
Did you know that Plato also had a virgin birth and was visited by wise men from the East?
"It is said, even when he was still alive, that Plato was of divine birth. The story, no doubt developed much after Plato's death, goes that the figure of god Apollo came to Plato's virgin mother, Perictione, and impregnated her. When his father, Ariston, attempted to lie with her, the god appeared to him in a vision, commanding him to abstain from her... until the child was born...
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...wise men of the East, who happened to be in Athens at that time, sacrificed to him after his death..."
It appears they thought the original story wasn't marketable enough, for just about every important person had a divine origin through a virgin mother..."
AgentAjax: I thought it was either Isus (Isis) or Hristos - Horus which derived for the word Horizon, short for Horus has risen.
who is Horus would his surname be Cope Did he invent the HORUSCOPE????? libra,taurus,virgo etc...
Horus-----cope
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