Is the Antichrist coming, or has already come? (408)
AgentAjax: Its impossible to prove or disprove the bible using the bible. Its bit like WWW or google it all depends from which angle you look at it. Some use it to spread love, others to set up wars and the smart ones make money out of the stupid and the venerable...its all in there
What he is saying is the truth IMHO :(
AgentAjax: Isaiah 11:12 And he shall set up an ensign for the nations, and shall assemble the outcasts of Israel, and gather together the dispersed of Judah from the FOUR CORNERS OF THE EARTH. (KJV)
Job 38:13 13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
Now Rev take note! That sure as harvey norman, didnt happen in 70ADJob 38:13 13 That it might take hold of the ENDS OF THE EARTH, that the wicked might be shaken out of it? (KJV)
aussielegend41: Hands out a piece of raw meat.
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hope she's not a cat lover, for your sake reeeeeeeoowwwwwwwwwwwwwww
Lookin4missright: hope she's not a cat lover, for your sake
whos she??i just made a throw back statement.
tonyxf: The last days would affect the whole earth, not just the romans pulling down a couple of walls
This was my understanding, but recently I have been debating with a Preterist and their interpretation seem to make sense. I am not yet fully familiar with their position, but here is one of their websites:
AgentAjax: pockets of Judo Christianity was already established between 600 and 400 AD and it appeared in Rome 200 years before supposed Jesus. That makes it investable that a person by the name of Jesus was going to appear no matter what.
Judeo Christianity? Did you mean 600 and 400 BC? You wrote AD. It could not be established before Christ because the Jewish Messianic expectations were in the early first century. Do you have the Essenes in mind? Their teachings were quite different.
AgentAjax: it does when I look at it.
While we speak like that it doesn't mean we believe it to be correct.
aussielegend41: whos she??i just made a throw back statement.
cats mother revealer24: While we speak like that it doesn't mean we believe it to be correct.
Im expert at that one 
revealer24: While we speak like that it doesn't mean we believe it to be correct.
Ok, whatever prophesy u 2 are reading from, there can only be 1 antichrist. so has he come or still comin?Hey Cherry! I spilled come rite dis time
tonyxf: Ok, whatever prophesy u 2 are reading from, there can only be 1 antichrist. so has he come or still comin?
Hey Cherry! I spilled come rite dis time
oops, spelled I mentHey Cherry! I spilled come rite dis time
tonyxf: oops, spelled I ment
or could be spelt
tonyxf: or could be spelt
You absolutley need more sleep, you've forgotten how to spell
and yes l spelt it right 
robplum: Lend me your wisdom oh wise gracious ones
Reincarnation and the Bible. Biblical texts that seem to imply belief in reincarnationThe most "convincing" texts of this kind are the following:
1) Matthew 11,14 and 17,12-13, concerning the identity of John the Baptist;
2) John 9,2, "Who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?";
3) John 3,3, "No one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again";
4) James 3,6, "the wheel of nature";
5) Galatians 6,7, "A man reaps what he sows";
6) Matthew 26,52, "all who draw the sword will die by the sword";
7) Revelation 13,10, "If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed."
Reincarnation and the Bible. Biblical texts that seem to imply belief in reincarnationThe most "convincing" texts of this kind are the following:
1) Matthew 11,14 and 17,12-13, concerning the identity of John the Baptist;
2) John 9,2, "Who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?";
3) John 3,3, "No one can see the kingdom of God unless he is born again";
4) James 3,6, "the wheel of nature";
5) Galatians 6,7, "A man reaps what he sows";
6) Matthew 26,52, "all who draw the sword will die by the sword";
7) Revelation 13,10, "If anyone is to go into captivity, into captivity he will go. If anyone is to be killed with the sword, with the sword he will be killed."
[about the first statement]There is no reincarnation in the bible, only resurrection. This is because of the anthropology of the Tanakh.
Body, soul, spirit are different aspects of you, they are inseparable. If you die, you turn back to dust. There is no "spirit" part that survives death. This idea was adopted by Hellenistic Christians from Platonism.
Matthew 11:14 and 17:12-13 - John came in the manner of Elijah, but he was not Elijah. The Tanakh often speaks figuratively.
John 9:2 - Ancient Jews believed sickness was caused by sin, and the father's sin was visited upon the children. There is no reincarnation here.
John 3:3 - "Born again" is repentance, Nicodemus and the Pharisees thought they did not need to repent...
James 3:
6 And the tongue is a fire, the very world of iniquity; the tongue is set among our members as that which defiles the entire body, and sets on fire the course of our life, and is set on fire by hell. (NASB)
6 And the tongue is a fire. The tongue is placed among our members as a world of iniquity; it stains the whole body, sets on fire the cycle of nature, and is itself set on fire by hell. (NRSV)
Why do you think it refers to reincarnation?
Galatians 6:7 - This closely relates to the Torah - blessings for obedience and curse for disobedience.
Matthew 26:52 - Where do you see reincarnation here?
"52 Then Jesus said to him, “Put your sword back into its place; for all those who take up the sword shall perish by the sword."
Surely, the Romans would have fixed Peter up in no time.
Revelation 13:10
"10 If you are to be taken captive, into captivity you go; if you kill with the sword, with the sword you must be killed. Here is a call for the endurance and faith of the saints."
It just says the beast will take some into captivity and those that will fight against him will be killed. Then there is a call to persevere in the faith in those difficult times...
I am aware that there are many people who try to read reincarnation into the bible. My cousin in Hungary is one of them. So these people translate in John 2 "the wind blows where is wants" as "the Spirit breathes" and teach that the Spirit breathes in the souls of the dead and breathes out the souls that are being reincarnated.
But this interpretation is just as valid as Daniken claiming that the Temple in Ezekiel was actually an UFO service station and the glory of God coming down into the Temple was actually an UFO.
robplum: yeah she been rude and insulting, claims to be a realist but has clearly studied nothing worthy of debate...
Martia: Just been reading a bit of both your opinions...and the conclusion I have come to is... both of you can discuss till the cows come home and then some as its the perfect discussion.
Neither one can disprove each other... there is a reply for everything a never ending game of tennis that can only end in Deuce every time.
I suppose its the perfect game really but so frustrating sometimes.
Enjoy yourself boys but sometimes pop onto other threads for a breather and a dose of reality.
Neither one can disprove each other... there is a reply for everything a never ending game of tennis that can only end in Deuce every time.
I suppose its the perfect game really but so frustrating sometimes.
Enjoy yourself boys but sometimes pop onto other threads for a breather and a dose of reality.
Martia: SO sorry this damn page got jammed.
Hicups again.
Hicups again.
Posted five times the same. You have shaky fingers
Faithe: You absolutley need more sleep, you've forgotten how to spell and yes l spelt it right
Good girl, ab
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Ok smartie put it in a nutshell again.Both yourself and The Rev seem to be on the same PAGE BUT IN A DIFFERENT BOOK