riots in London ( Archived) (499)

EagleWoman: Jyoaepace Your post has prompted some deep thinking and soul searching ... and this is my take on it!!! Hope you won't mind me picking your argument appart. It's not personal ...

1. A good home is a functional dwelling with doors and windows and a roof. Most people have that but what they what they fancy is more luxury and colour matching schemes. While they focus on that they forget to share the love which is the most important ingedient/furnishing within the dwelling.
2. Most European countries have a fairly good welfare system escially for children who are the future of society.
3. Education is compulsory up to the age of 16 and has never been more focused in providing schemes for disaffected children AND children with learning difficulties who in the past would have just been made to wear a dunces hat.
4. Satisfying work opportunities? The dissatisfaction with "jobs" comes from the "thinking culture" that trades and manual work aren't good enough and require too much effort!! Once upon a time, everyone's work was valued including the dustman!!
5. Old age pension for some people has always been so meagre that pensioners died of cold in the winter. What's new?
6. People are stressed out because the family structure has dis-appeared. I'm not talking about single parents here, I'm talking about the extended family, where the grandparents/aunts/uncles/sibblings lived nearby and those "with" helped those without. No OAPs died of cold in the winter (their children would make sure of that), children didn't roam the streets because their parents were at work (family members would look after them), single mums/dads would have the support of their families etc.
7. Working hard to prosper instead of to live happily is precisely what has tipped the balanced. When chasing prosperity became the main focus, people became blind, small minded and self-serving!! After a few generations of this we have a fragmented society created by our own self-centeredness and small-mindedness. Pointing the finger in any direction is futile!!!
8. Inequality in wealth has always existed and is not the root of the fragmented sosiety. Greed and materialism at the expense of family values is (again I'm not talking about single parents but about the dis-appearance of the extended family).

IMHO

Abundance is NOT having the BEST and loads of EVERYTHING
Abundance is having what you need (not necesseraly what you want)when you need it (that includes loving people around you).

tomcatwarne: Well you are entitled to your opinion, but hen the lawlessness has ben stopped, these events must be investigated, it's no good going in with maximum force this will just breed resentment. A lot has been made of the kids in these events, but there seems to have been some organisation to the events.

EagleWoman: These figures ALL apply to a society that measures materialism and encourages people to feel they need to aspire to a certain prosperity level in order to be happy!!

These figures have ALL been worked out to encourage people to feel dis-satisfied with what they have by looking around and gauging what others have and wanting it for themselves!! This is what breeds low self-esteem!!!! Thinking that if we don't possess we are not worthy!!

NO ONE has any power!!!! It's a delusion that those who have more do!! Even the official politicians don't have power!! They are only puppets with their strings being pulled by the heads of the financial/pharmaceutical institutions who finance their campains!!

Respect starts with self IE self respect. No one has the power to take that away from one.

Good health is linked to integrity and diet (and genetics). Integrity starts with self-respect. Fresh produce is cheaper than processed foods!!! You can feed a family for a week with the money it costs to buy processed rubbish for that same family for 3 days!!

Education is not denied to anyone but those who deny it to themselves!

Most European countries have low cost housing schemes.

Basic self-esteem is not found on the outside but from within.

The ability to participate in social activities can be accessed in any youth club or Adult Education Centre which provide an extremely wide range of courses, crafts and group meetings at very low cost or free for certain people. Many school offer after school clubs for children free of charge. Many towns and cities have parks with facilities for sports (basketball football etc.) free of charge.
Of course if what you want is to play golf it's usually a little dearer!!

tomcatwarne: Ah you aspire to Utopia. I don't think it unreasonable to expect to live above the poverty line. It's very easy to condemn when you live in warmth and comfort.

grizzwald: of course it has to be investigated...and I'm a fascist because I think criminals should get a real jail sentance and not a slap on the hand and told not to do it again as the Doctors say they have some disorder and give them Meds.

I am hardly a fascist ...but a realist... you break the law you pay a price...not get told your a victim of neglect from your forth cousin on your fathers side one sunny afternoon which caused you to have a self entitlement greater than everyone else has

tomcatwarne: Well I have said so many times that I do not condone lawlessness, looting and mindless vandalism, maybe you should read my posts and answer in a more informed manner, and by the way you have been answering posts which were addressed to another person.
People who are caught in the riots will be subject to the law, why would you think they wouldn't.

grizzwald: I do not know how you would think that I thought you condoned lawlessness...and you seem to be getting upset.

Trust me I am informed in my beliefs...

Yes they will be sujected to the law...but perhaps you should read up on what has happened to other riots and the folks that get caught ....very few ever get to the court room.