tomcatwarneOPOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
grizzwald: I'm a simple man ....I don't understand my Ivory tower...
I am not saying "Revolution" sometimes is not needed .....but rioting is NOT revolting.....it is stealing from your own people and neighborhood .....what if a "Looter" steals MED, from a store and a persons life relies on those Med. but can not be gotten cause the "looters" stole and burned a rite-aid to the ground....Again rioting solves nothing but gives the rioter a false sense of power.Someone once said "the pen is mightier than the sword"maybe they need to have a writing class for those who want to riot.
Why don't you just look back through the history on your own country.
I am not condoning looting, but there are some real grievances bubbling below the surface.
tomcatwarne: Why don't you just look back through the history on your own country.
I am not condoning looting, but there are some real grievances bubbling below the surface.
I'm not sure what history you referr to.
I remember Kent State very well...and the marches and riots over Viet-Nam..
those where the children of the population explosion ...
there are ALWAYS grievances....and I am not saying that the Looters don't feel they are justified....I am only saying ....they turn the wrong corner when they do riot...
bodleingGreater Manchester, England UK13,810 posts
grizzwald: It is unfair that someone that may have worked their lives and maybe even generations before them for a store or shop that is the families lively hood....just so a few punks can come along a take it away in a matter of minutes...Yes the states have had our riots and it solves nothing ...simply tears at the fiber of a country and only serves to divide it's peoples...And there will be people that will fuel the fire and try to say they are warrented to riot for the unfairness of the issue to start with ....
Before long they will riot for the sake of riots ..which seems to be the case now IMO My heart goes out to all involved and to the owners of shops that maybe losing everything as they continue
It would appear that many insurance policies do not cover this sort of damage also.
tomcatwarneOPOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
grizzwald: I'm not sure what history you referr to.
I remember Kent State very well...and the marches and riots over Viet-Nam..those where the children of the population explosion ...
there are ALWAYS grievances....and I am not saying that the Looters don't feel they are justified....I am only saying ....they turn the wrong corner when they do riot...
But as they say in CS land ....only IMO
I was thinking along the lines of the Boston Tea Party.
And always grievances should be addressed or they grow into riots.
Class5: After last week's world wide stock market debacle, it may get worse everywhere. Tearing a country apart from within will not change or fix anything, only exacerbate the problem.
very true,but if they stop/usa,tossin money at us,it will happen here,too.
grizzwald: I'm not sure what history you referr to.
I remember Kent State very well...and the marches and riots over Viet-Nam..those where the children of the population explosion ...
there are ALWAYS grievances....and I am not saying that the Looters don't feel they are justified....I am only saying ....they turn the wrong corner when they do riot...
grizzwald: altho the "Tea Party" was a riot it was a rather tame one compared to more modern times....
and the fact that they dressed as Natives show they where not willing to take on the results of their actions..The tea party was saying ..."No Taxation without Represention"
Iuchi_Zien: Utterly irrelevent. Why would I need to experience rioting to believe that it is not the job of the police to beat the cra$ out of innocent people going home? Or do you believe that provided the police beat up more rioters than innocent civilians that's OK? The Police are there to STOP crime not indulge in it. If they are incapable of keeping the peace without resorting to criminal behaviour then where is the difference between them and vigilantes? Or do you approve of vigilantism?
No,its not irrelevant to those dealing with these people,and those people trying to live a peaceful life,including members of the ethnic minorities who live in those areas,and have to put up with these people. To go on about someone getting beaten up by police is pathetic,and under minds all the good work,the majority of police officers do for the public. Yes,you will always get a bad apple,and they are dealt with accordingly. You obviously have never faced what an unarmed police officer has to face,and you would proberly mess your pants if you had to. This has got nothing to do with the state of society,its got alot to do with the yob element,who have never been interested in working for anything,but want something for nothing. How many decent people who have lost thier jobs do you think are looting? I will not respond any more on this thread,as i have absolutely no interest in debating with those that sit there bending paper clips,insulting the police,but would scream like hell for them when they need them.
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 posts
I can't help but wonder which foreign company the government will draft in for the job of rebuilding.
After all, we pay the ethnics to come in to our country to burn and smash down our capital, why not pay them twice for the privilege of putting it back up again?
Unemployment, poverty, hopelessness, these are issues that don't just effect Black and Asian youths. So why then is there such a glaring absence of White faces(even Jews)in these riots if the explanation for it were purely economic?
It would be ironic if it were to be the EDL or some other Nationalist group that comes to the protection of polite society if the police can't hold back the ethnic hordes of common criminality.
tomcatwarneOPOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
TrueBlue1986: I can't help but wonder which foreign company the government will draft in for the job of rebuilding.
After all, we pay the ethnics to come in to our country to burn and smash down our capital, why not pay them twice for the privilege of putting it back up again?
Unemployment, poverty, hopelessness, these are issues that don't just effect Black and Asian youths. So why then is there such a glaring absence of White faces(even Jews)in these riots if the explanation for it were purely economic?
It would be ironic if it were to be the EDL or some other Nationalist group that comes to the protection of polite society if the police can't hold back the ethnic hordes of common criminality.
Begs the question who let them all into the country.
Wow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK3,698 posts
There seems to be two camps on these forums. Those that think these kids are rioting because of being hard-done-by by the Government, and those that think these kids are rioting because they are simply out of control. As I have posted I go with the latter. They were out for what they could get - even the cash register from a Chinese Take-away food outlet, because they didn't break in for the noodles. They bypassed Waterstones (a book-store chain) and headed for an electrical digital store. They are simply out for fun, and what they can get.
I just heard that one person has died as a result of one of the riots yesterday. RIP
and I so hope the perpetrator is caught and charged.
TrueBlue1986: I can't help but wonder which foreign company the government will draft in for the job of rebuilding.
After all, we pay the ethnics to come in to our country to burn and smash down our capital, why not pay them twice for the privilege of putting it back up again?
Unemployment, poverty, hopelessness, these are issues that don't just effect Black and Asian youths. So why then is there such a glaring absence of White faces(even Jews)in these riots if the explanation for it were purely economic?
It would be ironic if it were to be the EDL or some other Nationalist group that comes to the protection of polite society if the police can't hold back the ethnic hordes of common criminality.
The Consevative governement have come back and in the words of PRime Minister Cameron" get a grip of the siuation" get a gri[p he should have came back from Italy the moment he heard of the unrest. just proves what i have always thought abput him a privleeged boy playing six form politics with no clue to what true governance is. Abd Boris Johnson what a total bozo where was he the Mayor of london? Portugal just got back today he is the mayor of one of the worlds great cities and its taken him 3 days to come back wghat a bozo. The country and its main city are being missed managed, They did not cause the riots but they will be repsponsible next year at the london adn mayoral elections.
Wow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK3,698 posts
TrueBlue1986: I can't help but wonder which foreign company the government will draft in for the job of rebuilding.
After all, we pay the ethnics to come in to our country to burn and smash down our capital, why not pay them twice for the privilege of putting it back up again?
Unemployment, poverty, hopelessness, these are issues that don't just effect Black and Asian youths. So why then is there such a glaring absence of White faces(even Jews)in these riots if the explanation for it were purely economic?
It would be ironic if it were to be the EDL or some other Nationalist group that comes to the protection of polite society if the police can't hold back the ethnic hordes of common criminality.
There seemed to be a mixture of ethnicities in these riots but of course certain districts - Hackney and Tottenham - have a high percentage of Afro-Carribeans and the Pembury Housing Estate that was shown on tv footage has a very high percentage of this ethnicity. It's their home turf. That is why there was a high percentage of ACs in the Hackney riots and also Tottenham.
tomcatwarneOPOcean City, Plumouth, Devon, England UK17,106 posts
Wow_Factor: There seems to be two camps on these forums. Those that think these kids are rioting because of being hard-done-by by the Government, and those that think these kids are rioting because they are simply out of control. As I have posted I go with the latter. They were out for what they could get - even the cash register from a Chinese Take-away food outlet, because they didn't break in for the noodles. They bypassed Waterstones (a book-store chain) and headed for an electrical digital store. They are simply out for fun, and what they can get.
I just heard that one person has died as a result of one of the riots yesterday. RIP
and I so hope the perpetrator is caught and charged.
So do I, noone condones the looting and destruction, but these things don't just happen out of thin air. There has been an undercurrent of unrest in these areas for a long time, which doesn't seem to have been dealt with. I hope order is restored soon without bloodshed, and then steps must be taken to diffuse the problems.
Wow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK3,698 posts
Tomcats2: The Consevative governement have come back and in the words of PRime Minister Cameron" get a grip of the siuation" get a gri[p he should have came back from Italy the moment he heard of the unrest. just proves what i have always thought abput him a privleeged boy playing six form politics with no clue to what true governance is. Abd Boris Johnson what a total bozo where was he the Mayor of london? Portugal just got back today he is the mayor of one of the worlds great cities and its taken him 3 days to come back wghat a bozo. The country and its main city are being missed managed, They did not cause the riots but they will be repsponsible next year at the london adn mayoral elections.
Probably better that bozo Boris stays away - he is a total waste of space and out of touch. I keep hearing Winston Churchill, "we shall fight them on the beaches" speech today in my head.
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I am not saying "Revolution" sometimes is not needed .....but rioting is NOT revolting.....it is stealing from your own people and neighborhood .....what if a "Looter" steals MED, from a store and a persons life relies on those Med. but can not be gotten cause the "looters" stole and burned a rite-aid to the ground....Again rioting solves nothing but gives the rioter a false sense of power.Someone once said "the pen is mightier than the sword"maybe they need to have a writing class for those who want to riot.
Why don't you just look back through the history on your own country.
I am not condoning looting, but there are some real grievances bubbling below the surface.