SincerelyJohn: So, English government is so predigest and bigoted against blacks, Arabs and Muslins, that it herds them into squalid slums, allows the greedy corporate rich to pay them a starvation wage, and has police terrorize them causing riots so that politicians can show how brave and tough they are?
If this is true .....why did they immigrate then?....why don;'t they leave then?
I know why ...Cause it is better life for them ...
Just like CS... they are as free to leave as they are to stay..
grizzwald: If this is true .....why did they immigrate then?....why don;'t they leave then?
I know why ...Cause it is better life for them ...
Just like CS... they are as free to leave as they are to stay..
Is it indeed? I dont believe simply packing up your life and moving is such a simple process for many (speaking from experience) Perhaps thats a bit of pie in the sky thinking?
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 posts
Straightdown: When people see no future, when they have no money, when their services are cut, when wefare is cut, when politicans are seen fraudulantly claiming expenses and not being punished, when white collar crime into the billions goes unpunished people get angry. That anger slowly builds until it explodes into violence.
Nobody is condoning rioting or looting but I think anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see some of the reasons why it happened!
Naaa, the "chavs" were particularly nasty long before the recession. The British underclass has been that little bit worse than in other first world nations, and it's been this way for some time.
The only explanation can be our socio-cultural attitudes. The fact that we have the most Liberals schools, police and parents in the entire World must relate to why we have the least sense of discipline and respect for authority.
And what the Liberal middle-classes can never understand is that the bottom of society needs something to fear, if that fear does not come from the order of state then the bottom loses all respect for the state and descends into rudderless and anarchic criminality.
This is simply because the only "macho" role model they see in life is the Gangster and the genuine criminal - they then begin to imitate this behaviour until it becomes the social norm, from this position they regard the mainstream as pathetic and cowardly(on which they are not mistaken).
venusenvy: Is it indeed? I dont believe simply packing up your life and moving is such a simple process for many (speaking from experience) Perhaps thats a bit of pie in the sky thinking?
Of course it is not easy ....not when you can riot instead....
and I am not the one making the EXCUSE as to why they rioted...only saying if it is so bad do something about it ....other than a riot...
venusenvy: Is it indeed? I dont believe simply packing up your life and moving is such a simple process for many (speaking from experience) Perhaps thats a bit of pie in the sky thinking?
And if they were so poor how did they get to immigrate in the first place ...Excuses
Straightdown: Well thats one way of looking at it but I don't agree. Some people did take advantage of the situation alright but riots come from an under current of anger. I think anyone found guilty of stealing should be punished. But I think punishments must be equal. If a politican can rob 15,000 pounds and not see the inside of a court room, and bankers not get invistaged for fraud on a huge scale how can you tell a teenager he has to go to prison for robbing some trainers???
Punishments should be for all.
Excuses! Those that have to worry about making ends meet don't have the time to Drink and Riot!
Those Rioters need a taste of the Cat o' Nine Tails!
bestbeforesomewhere, Dorset, England UK4,701 posts
SincerelyJohn: So, English government is so predigest and bigoted against blacks, Arabs and Muslins, that it herds them into squalid slums, allows the greedy corporate rich to pay them a starvation wage, and has police terrorize them causing riots so that politicians can show how brave and tough they are?
What a load of B------s
No- one asked some of these people to come here,yet we have opened our doors to them,put a roof over their heads,fed and clothed them,and have been doing it for years,all out of the tax payers money.
Bodecia: Well, thats the way of the world, so deal with it! Thats the message that I would send to those who riot, take from other hardworking, law abiding citizens. Yeah, lets ruin the neighborhood a tad more, shall we? Lets make it look like the Blitz, lets put yet MORE businesses out of existence shall we?
Dealing with the likes of greedy bankers is not going to be done by rioting in the streets and basically stabbing yourself and your family in the foot. It is done more subtly, more slowly and by lobbying for legislation. The Poll Tax was hated, and after numerous rallys and demonstrations, it was made obsolete. Yes, some of the demonstrations got out of hand, but the majority were relatively peaceful.
Thats the way to effect change, not by sending a load of Homeboys out on the streets to add to their trainer collection.
Your first line in the reply above I could repeat back to you about the rioting....But it's not a viable argument really.
Who were politicans robbing when they scammed their expenses? Hardworking citizans!!!!!!
I know rioting is not going to fix anything....It was an explosion of anger. A reaction like that very rarely helps.
And have you seen the papers? A lot of the people arrested were not "homeboys" as you put it. They ranged from teacing assistants to office workers!
Straightdown: Well thats one way of looking at it but I don't agree. Some people did take advantage of the situation alright but riots come from an under current of anger. I think anyone found guilty of stealing should be punished. But I think punishments must be equal. If a politican can rob 15,000 pounds and not see the inside of a court room, and bankers not get invistaged for fraud on a huge scale how can you tell a teenager he has to go to prison for robbing some trainers???
Punishments should be for all.
Have a look at some of the folk who have been charged:
A millionaires daughter, age 17 caught with a car load of electrical gear cigarettes and booze worth around £5,ooo now that is a real protest is it not
An assistant School teacher age 31 caught with electrical gear...Another protest.
All these folk who robbed, damaged and in general caused mayhem in very often their own community are not protestors they are just greedy self serving individuals who thought they would not get caught and they only did what they did for gain.
Many of the kids involved indeed come from poor ackgrounds but if you look at them the all have Moile phones, designer clothes and yet they are not employed some even still at school.
Now we will have all the do-gooders and fools elieving it was a protest IT WAS NOT.
It was just greedy ferral youths who saw an opportunity and ran riot and tried to steal and damage everything they could.
Their parents should be ashamed as THEY are the folk who should e controlling these kids, Mind you we did see some families charged as well mothers, aunts and kids in London.....Says a lot for the families...
And so what if " how can you tell a teenager he has to go to prison for robbing some trainers???"
Well the key word there is ROBBING it is a crime regardless of what anyone else gets away with the fact you commit a robbery means you are a criminal and deserve punishment.
All this don't blame the child he has had a hard life is total rubbish.
Many folk in the UK hard upbringings that these kids could not imagine.
For the first 8/9 years of my life I lived in the old Gorbals and we as a family Mum, Dad and 4 kids lived in one room we had no Bathroom and the toilet was shared between 4 families on our landing. Yet our door was seldom locked, my Dad worked hard but housing was not available due to the War damage.
Oh and we still had rationing until I was 3. The UK was Broke and we had no cash, we did not have 1/8th of what these kids had but we had decency and folk would never behave like this lot. Parents knew exactly where there school aged kids were at night. At home under parental control.
Roll on to the 60/70's and the PC Brigade take over you can't punish kids, kids have rights and look at what we end up with....Condensed I know but that is where WE went wrong we listened and thought these "EXPERTS" had the solution,no way as the parents and schools had it right before these "EXPERTS" BALLSED IT UP...(technical term ladies)
Shame we can't get ack to parents taking control of their kids
Schools really able to discipline Kids
Police doing the job we need them to without the PC mob holding enquiries that always see the criminal with more rights than the victim...
SincerelyJohn: There is only one crime a government can commit that is more corrupt then allow starvation wages, and that is the corruption of allowing those in a slum to suffer no wages. And that is why, in the eyes of heaven, the protesters, riots and looters are doing more good then harm.
It is not the place of Government to dole out Wages! That attitude has brought us to the Crap we are in now! That constant Government meddling in People's affairs!
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I know why ...Cause it is better life for them ...
Just like CS... they are as free to leave as they are to stay..