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Aug 11, 2011 1:11 PM CST riots in London
grizzwald
grizzwaldgrizzwaldalexandra bay, New York USA12 Threads 1,151 Posts
SincerelyJohn: So, English government is so predigest and bigoted against blacks, Arabs and Muslins, that it herds them into squalid slums, allows the greedy corporate rich to pay them a starvation wage, and has police terrorize them causing riots so that politicians can show how brave and tough they are?
If this is true .....why did they immigrate then?....why don;'t they leave then?

I know why ...Cause it is better life for them ...

Just like CS... they are as free to leave as they are to stay..
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Aug 11, 2011 1:12 PM CST riots in London
Wow_Factor
Wow_FactorWow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts
In 45 minutes on Sky News (perhaps watch online) or in UK channel 82 is a programme 'Why are they rioting.'

I must say Sky News has been absolutely excellent in their coverage, interviews, analysis, etc.
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Aug 11, 2011 1:16 PM CST riots in London
venusenvy
venusenvyvenusenvyCalgary, Alberta Canada27 Threads 20,003 Posts
grizzwald: If this is true .....why did they immigrate then?....why don;'t they leave then?

I know why ...Cause it is better life for them ...

Just like CS... they are as free to leave as they are to stay..



Is it indeed? I dont believe simply packing up your life and moving is such a simple process for many (speaking from experience) Perhaps thats a bit of pie in the sky thinking? dunno
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Aug 11, 2011 1:19 PM CST riots in London
TrueBlue1986
TrueBlue1986TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
Straightdown: When people see no future, when they have no money, when their services are cut, when wefare is cut, when politicans are seen fraudulantly claiming expenses and not being punished, when white collar crime into the billions goes unpunished people get angry. That anger slowly builds until it explodes into violence.

Nobody is condoning rioting or looting but I think anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see some of the reasons why it happened!


Naaa, the "chavs" were particularly nasty long before the recession. The British underclass has been that little bit worse than in other first world nations, and it's been this way for some time.

The only explanation can be our socio-cultural attitudes. The fact that we have the most Liberals schools, police and parents in the entire World must relate to why we have the least sense of discipline and respect for authority.

And what the Liberal middle-classes can never understand is that the bottom of society needs something to fear, if that fear does not come from the order of state then the bottom loses all respect for the state and descends into rudderless and anarchic criminality.

This is simply because the only "macho" role model they see in life is the Gangster and the genuine criminal - they then begin to imitate this behaviour until it becomes the social norm, from this position they regard the mainstream as pathetic and cowardly(on which they are not mistaken).
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Aug 11, 2011 1:20 PM CST riots in London
grizzwald
grizzwaldgrizzwaldalexandra bay, New York USA12 Threads 1,151 Posts
venusenvy: Is it indeed? I dont believe simply packing up your life and moving is such a simple process for many (speaking from experience) Perhaps thats a bit of pie in the sky thinking?
Of course it is not easy ....not when you can riot instead....

and I am not the one making the EXCUSE as to why they rioted...only saying if it is so bad do something about it ....other than a riot...
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Aug 11, 2011 1:21 PM CST riots in London
grizzwald
grizzwaldgrizzwaldalexandra bay, New York USA12 Threads 1,151 Posts
venusenvy: Is it indeed? I dont believe simply packing up your life and moving is such a simple process for many (speaking from experience) Perhaps thats a bit of pie in the sky thinking?
And if they were so poor how did they get to immigrate in the first place ...Excuses
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Aug 11, 2011 1:23 PM CST riots in London
grizzwald
grizzwaldgrizzwaldalexandra bay, New York USA12 Threads 1,151 Posts
venusenvy: I thinks its a molitov cocktail of desperation, a sense of hopelesness, and mob mentality taking hold
I agree.. you can see the desperation and hopelessness in the smiles on their faces and the laughter in the voices...laugh
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Aug 11, 2011 1:30 PM CST riots in London
venusenvy
venusenvyvenusenvyCalgary, Alberta Canada27 Threads 20,003 Posts
grizzwald: And if they were so poor how did they get to immigrate in the first place ...Excuses


Have you done it? Or are your expectations greater for others than yourself? hmmm
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Aug 11, 2011 1:32 PM CST riots in London
Straightdown: Well thats one way of looking at it but I don't agree. Some people did take advantage of the situation alright but riots come from an under current of anger. I think anyone found guilty of stealing should be punished. But I think punishments must be equal. If a politican can rob 15,000 pounds and not see the inside of a court room, and bankers not get invistaged for fraud on a huge scale how can you tell a teenager he has to go to prison for robbing some trainers???

Punishments should be for all.
Excuses!
Those that have to worry about making ends meet don't have the time to Drink and Riot!

Those Rioters need a taste of the Cat o' Nine Tails!very mad
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Aug 11, 2011 1:33 PM CST riots in London
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
Conrad73: Excuses!
Those that have to worry about making ends meet don't have the time to Drink and Riot!

Those Rioters need a taste of the Cat o' Nine Tails!


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Aug 11, 2011 1:34 PM CST riots in London
grizzwald
grizzwaldgrizzwaldalexandra bay, New York USA12 Threads 1,151 Posts
venusenvy: Have you done it? Or are your expectations greater for others than yourself?
I'm happy where I live ...and I am not complaining ...and I am not rioting ....I am not burning stores and stealing....dunno
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Aug 11, 2011 1:36 PM CST riots in London
grizzwald
grizzwaldgrizzwaldalexandra bay, New York USA12 Threads 1,151 Posts
venusenvy: Have you done it? Or are your expectations greater for others than yourself?
and no "I" didn't ....but I KNOW what it costs very much so ....handshake
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Aug 11, 2011 1:41 PM CST riots in London
Straightdown
StraightdownStraightdownDublin, Ireland3 Threads 1 Polls 239 Posts
Conrad73: Excuses!
Those that have to worry about making ends meet don't have the time to Drink and Riot!

Those Rioters need a taste of the Cat o' Nine Tails!


Again I repeat myself. It was not an excues I gave, it was a reason. And how exactly does worrying take up your time??

If you have no job, future, no home to call your own and don't feel part of society all you have to do all day is ponder.

Ponder maybe how bankers have bankrupted the world and not one seems to have been punished?

Ponder maybe that politicans were caught STEALING from the state and were not punished.?

Ponder maybe one the cuts in services in your area when you see men who caused this recession getting bonuses worth billions....

This can make a person angry.....Again this may be a reason for rioting. There is never an excuse for acting they way they did.
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Aug 11, 2011 1:42 PM CST riots in London
Straightdown: Again I repeat myself. It was not an excues I gave, it was a reason. And how exactly does worrying take up your time??

If you have no job, future, no home to call your own and don't feel part of society all you have to do all day is ponder.

Ponder maybe how bankers have bankrupted the world and not one seems to have been punished?

Ponder maybe that politicans were caught STEALING from the state and were not punished.?

Ponder maybe one the cuts in services in your area when you see men who caused this recession getting bonuses worth billions....

This can make a person angry.....Again this may be a reason for rioting. There is never an excuse for acting they way they did.
Nonsense!
Seems you have never been in that Situation!
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Aug 11, 2011 1:43 PM CST riots in London
bestbefore
bestbeforebestbeforesomewhere, Dorset, England UK116 Threads 2 Polls 4,701 Posts
SincerelyJohn: So, English government is so predigest and bigoted against blacks, Arabs and Muslins, that it herds them into squalid slums, allows the greedy corporate rich to pay them a starvation wage, and has police terrorize them causing riots so that politicians can show how brave and tough they are?



What a load of B------sbarf

No- one asked some of these people to come here,yet we have opened our doors to them,put a roof over their heads,fed and clothed them,and have been doing it for years,all out of the tax payers money.

This is how they repay our hospitality.very mad
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Aug 11, 2011 1:44 PM CST riots in London
Conrad73: Nonsense!
Seems you have never been in that Situation!
Those that rioted definitely weren't Destitute,so that Argument is moot!professor
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Aug 11, 2011 1:45 PM CST riots in London
Straightdown
StraightdownStraightdownDublin, Ireland3 Threads 1 Polls 239 Posts
Bodecia: Well, thats the way of the world, so deal with it! Thats the message that I would send to those who riot, take from other hardworking, law abiding citizens. Yeah, lets ruin the neighborhood a tad more, shall we? Lets make it look like the Blitz, lets put yet MORE businesses out of existence shall we?

Dealing with the likes of greedy bankers is not going to be done by rioting in the streets and basically stabbing yourself and your family in the foot. It is done more subtly, more slowly and by lobbying for legislation. The Poll Tax was hated, and after numerous rallys and demonstrations, it was made obsolete. Yes, some of the demonstrations got out of hand, but the majority were relatively peaceful.

Thats the way to effect change, not by sending a load of Homeboys out on the streets to add to their trainer collection.



Your first line in the reply above I could repeat back to you about the rioting....But it's not a viable argument really.

Who were politicans robbing when they scammed their expenses? Hardworking citizans!!!!!!

I know rioting is not going to fix anything....It was an explosion of anger. A reaction like that very rarely helps.

And have you seen the papers? A lot of the people arrested were not "homeboys" as you put it. They ranged from teacing assistants to office workers!
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Aug 11, 2011 1:46 PM CST riots in London
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
Straightdown: Well thats one way of looking at it but I don't agree. Some people did take advantage of the situation alright but riots come from an under current of anger. I think anyone found guilty of stealing should be punished. But I think punishments must be equal. If a politican can rob 15,000 pounds and not see the inside of a court room, and bankers not get invistaged for fraud on a huge scale how can you tell a teenager he has to go to prison for robbing some trainers???

Punishments should be for all.


Have a look at some of the folk who have been charged:

A millionaires daughter, age 17 caught with a car load of electrical gear cigarettes and booze worth around £5,ooo now that is a real protest is it not

An assistant School teacher age 31 caught with electrical gear...Another protest.

All these folk who robbed, damaged and in general caused mayhem in very often their own community are not protestors they are just greedy self serving individuals who thought they would not get caught and they only did what they did for gain.

Many of the kids involved indeed come from poor ackgrounds but if you look at them the all have Moile phones, designer clothes and yet they are not employed some even still at school.

Now we will have all the do-gooders and fools elieving it was a protest IT WAS NOT.

It was just greedy ferral youths who saw an opportunity and ran riot and tried to steal and damage everything they could.

Their parents should be ashamed as THEY are the folk who should e controlling these kids, Mind you we did see some families charged as well mothers, aunts and kids in London.....Says a lot for the families...

And so what if " how can you tell a teenager he has to go to prison for robbing some trainers???"

Well the key word there is ROBBING it is a crime regardless of what anyone else gets away with the fact you commit a robbery means you are a criminal and deserve punishment.

All this don't blame the child he has had a hard life is total rubbish.

Many folk in the UK hard upbringings that these kids could not imagine.

For the first 8/9 years of my life I lived in the old Gorbals and we as a family Mum, Dad and 4 kids lived in one room we had no Bathroom and the toilet was shared between 4 families on our landing. Yet our door was seldom locked, my Dad worked hard but housing was not available due to the War damage.

Oh and we still had rationing until I was 3. The UK was Broke and we had no cash, we did not have 1/8th of what these kids had but we had decency and folk would never behave like this lot. Parents knew exactly where there school aged kids were at night. At home under parental control.

Roll on to the 60/70's and the PC Brigade take over you can't punish kids, kids have rights and look at what we end up with....Condensed I know but that is where WE went wrong we listened and thought these "EXPERTS" rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing had the solution,no way as the parents and schools had it right before these "EXPERTS" BALLSED IT UP...(technical term ladies)

Shame we can't get ack to parents taking control of their kids

Schools really able to discipline Kids

Police doing the job we need them to without the PC mob holding enquiries that always see the criminal with more rights than the victim...

In short lets really get back to basics!!!!!grin cheers
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Aug 11, 2011 1:47 PM CST riots in London
Straightdown
StraightdownStraightdownDublin, Ireland3 Threads 1 Polls 239 Posts
Conrad73: Nonsense!
Seems you have never been in that Situation!


In what situation??
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Aug 11, 2011 1:47 PM CST riots in London
SincerelyJohn: There is only one crime a government can commit that is more corrupt then allow starvation wages, and that is the corruption of allowing those in a slum to suffer no wages. And that is why, in the eyes of heaven, the protesters, riots and looters are doing more good then harm.
scold scold scold
It is not the place of Government to dole out Wages!
That attitude has brought us to the Crap we are in now!
That constant Government meddling in People's affairs!
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