riots in London (499)
Straightdown: And how did people hear about riots in the past??? Word of moth, TV and phone.....Does it matter how people hear about them?....what matters is why they choose to get involved?
Because they could....why climb a mountain...
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patmac: Like you said my choice and OH SO MANY OTHERS.
Read the Press,the Net and listen to the radio. English folk are loud and clear in their condemnation of these folk who you say are rioters and protestors.....They are just Ferral folk who thought they could get away with it....Try reading Twitter and Facebook....
Read the Press,the Net and listen to the radio. English folk are loud and clear in their condemnation of these folk who you say are rioters and protestors.....They are just Ferral folk who thought they could get away with it....Try reading Twitter and Facebook....
And people are correct to condem the rioting and looting. People are incorrect in my opinion to assume the riots happened for the reasons the government stated. There was an under lying cause and because this is not being explored it will happen again!
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Straightdown: And people are correct to condem the rioting and looting. People are incorrect in my opinion to assume the riots happened for the reasons the government stated. There was an under lying cause and because this is not being explored it will happen again!
Then these people should do something about it .....Rioting is not the answer.Protesting is however.. or is that to much trouble rather than just riot ....hmmm take the easy road sounds about right...
The squeaky wheel get's the grease...
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grizzwald: Then these people should do something about it .....Rioting is not the answer.
Protesting is however.. or is that to much trouble rather than just riot ....hmmm take the easy road sounds about right...
The squeaky wheel get's the grease...
Protesting is however.. or is that to much trouble rather than just riot ....hmmm take the easy road sounds about right...
The squeaky wheel get's the grease...
I think some people are saying the only avenue open to make themselves heard was the one they took. Unfortunately.
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Straightdown: I don't agree. People are talking on here about gang culture and probablt have gor all their info from TV and Cinema.
How do you know the majority dont want jobs or training? Again assumptions...And there is no jobs or training available to them so you can't make that assumption.
And as I said in an earlier post...They have no respect for societ and authority because socirty and authority has done nothing to earn their respect!
How do you know the majority dont want jobs or training? Again assumptions...And there is no jobs or training available to them so you can't make that assumption.
And as I said in an earlier post...They have no respect for societ and authority because socirty and authority has done nothing to earn their respect!
No job, so society pays their Rent, Council Tax, gives them cash for food and power, Pays for their clothing and their Kids clothing and YOU try to say society has done nothing .....I just love the way you have never changed your attitude you will argue and stir regardless of what name you use....Sad when you cannot face the truth.
Society looks after these folk as best it can and they have no God given right to the goods they stole. Or a god given right to a job unless they earn it and you do that by learning and getting an education and becoming a decent part of society. Did you listen to the morons who we all heard trying to justify why they did it.
Ill educated unemployable and a total drain on society. They had the choice and did not choose to be educated and their parents are to blame for that not society PARENTS....YOUR KIDS YOUR RESPONSABILITY...Not mine or the teachers or the social worker PARENTS.....And sadly many parents do not and will not control their kids...Lets hear what you say about that society old son begins at home within the family,learn that and you might become a decent person unlike this ferral lot.
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tomcatwarne: I think some people are saying the only avenue open to make themselves heard was the one they took. Unfortunately.
I know Tom ..
and I see that they THINK it is the only way ....but they are wrong ....they only want change like they want everything ....I want it now ...and I am not going to work hard to get it out look on life ..
and it is not just an English problem ....it is the world over cause they are all on the net and they all see it the same way ....they do not know any other way cause we the parents thought we knew better how to raise our kids than our parents did ...
A perfect example how stupid we are...
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patmac: No job, so society pays their Rent, Council Tax, gives them cash for food and power, Pays for their clothing and their Kids clothing and YOU try to say society has done nothing .....I just love the way you have never changed your attitude you will argue and stir regardless of what name you use....Sad when you cannot face the truth.
Society looks after these folk as best it can and they have no God given right to the goods they stole. Or a god given right to a job unless they earn it and you do that by learning and getting an education and becoming a decent part of society. Did you listen to the morons who we all heard trying to justify why they did it.
Ill educated unemployable and a total drain on society. They had the choice and did not choose to be educated and their parents are to blame for that not society PARENTS....YOUR KIDS YOUR RESPONSABILITY...Not mine or the teachers or the social worker PARENTS.....And sadly many parents do not and will not control their kids...Lets hear what you say about that society old son begins at home within the family,learn that and you might become a decent person unlike this ferral lot.
Society looks after these folk as best it can and they have no God given right to the goods they stole. Or a god given right to a job unless they earn it and you do that by learning and getting an education and becoming a decent part of society. Did you listen to the morons who we all heard trying to justify why they did it.
Ill educated unemployable and a total drain on society. They had the choice and did not choose to be educated and their parents are to blame for that not society PARENTS....YOUR KIDS YOUR RESPONSABILITY...Not mine or the teachers or the social worker PARENTS.....And sadly many parents do not and will not control their kids...Lets hear what you say about that society old son begins at home within the family,learn that and you might become a decent person unlike this ferral lot.
Heaven forbid, I think you've been watching too much Fox News!
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tomcatwarne: I think some people are saying the only avenue open to make themselves heard was the one they took. Unfortunately.
Well you guys need Obama then. He's got the car stuck in the ditch.
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Straightdown: I don't agree. People are talking on here about gang culture and probablt have gor all their info from TV and Cinema.
How do you know the majority dont want jobs or training? Again assumptions...And there is no jobs or training available to them so you can't make that assumption.
And as I said in an earlier post...They have no respect for societ and authority because socirty and authority has done nothing to earn their respect!
How do you know the majority dont want jobs or training? Again assumptions...And there is no jobs or training available to them so you can't make that assumption.
And as I said in an earlier post...They have no respect for societ and authority because socirty and authority has done nothing to earn their respect!
No assumptions ... I know because I worked in Education (11 to 16 years old) for 16 yrs and up till 3 years ago, on the fringes of London in a school where the "catchment area" put a lot of the sort of youngsters we're talking about in my classrooms!!!
As far as I know, there is training available to them, BUT the training places don't do "home schooling" after they choose to get up!!
Respecting authority is not one of their forte, that's for sure!! But it started at school, when they went home complaining they had got a detention for precisely being disrespectful - to teachers, staff, other students, or property dammage, or not doing their work - and the parent(s) storm into the school "throwing their weight around" and threatening the teachers for punishing their child!!! Why would any child feel any respect for authority or education after that?
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patmac: Like you said my choice and OH SO MANY OTHERS.
Read the Press,the Net and listen to the radio. English folk are loud and clear in their condemnation of these folk who you say are rioters and protestors.....They are just Ferral folk who thought they could get away with it....Try reading Twitter and Facebook....
Read the Press,the Net and listen to the radio. English folk are loud and clear in their condemnation of these folk who you say are rioters and protestors.....They are just Ferral folk who thought they could get away with it....Try reading Twitter and Facebook....
here is a great word for you pac-man PROPAGANDA you are a big boy, you should know never to believe the news broadcasts they only show the juicy bits they are scared to print the whole truth you know that ay ladie?????? As for twitter, Facebook lol how much scotch have you had mate, Hope you are ok north of the border!
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patmac: Ah Freddy you know I think FOX is TOTAL AND UTTER RUBBISH
It's scarey...you're sounding like Sean Hannity.
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Straightdown: Your first line in the reply above I could repeat back to you about the rioting....But it's not a viable argument really.
Who were politicans robbing when they scammed their expenses? Hardworking citizans!!!!!!
I know rioting is not going to fix anything....It was an explosion of anger. A reaction like that very rarely helps.
And have you seen the papers? A lot of the people arrested were not "homeboys" as you put it. They ranged from teacing assistants to office workers!
Who were politicans robbing when they scammed their expenses? Hardworking citizans!!!!!!
I know rioting is not going to fix anything....It was an explosion of anger. A reaction like that very rarely helps.
And have you seen the papers? A lot of the people arrested were not "homeboys" as you put it. They ranged from teacing assistants to office workers!
CNN reported that some were as young as 9 years of age. Now where were his parents? Looting with him? I family that loots together, stays together? I think the first night was racially motivated due to the shooting and many of the young people not having the correct info. We've had it happen here in the U.S. After the first night, it is strictly thugs and kids, not even knowing why they are doing this.
Just to get something for nothing. Like a pack of dogs. One dog is fine, but you get them in a pack and they might kill you're sheep.
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Straightdown: Me? I think you are full of it! What age are you? Boasting how well armed you are in Switzerland! That is really immature and funny to boot. You would not last 2 seconds in an inner city in the UK! Switzerland had a population of about 7,600,000. This would put the rate of killings or attempted killings with firearms at about one for every quarter million residents yearly. This represents a decline of aggravated assaults involving firearms since the early 1990s. The majority of gun crimes involving domestic violence are perpetrated with army ordnance weapons, while the majority of gun crime outside the domestic sphere involves illegally held firearms
Bull!You are as Ill-informed as usual!
I lasted 36 years in Nassau!
Got shot once!
Owning Firearms her in Switzerland is a Right of the Citizen!
BTW,The Bahamas have a near total Prohibition of Firearms,yet i got shot there!
More Firearms on the Street there than in Switzerland!
You're so far off,it is pitiful!
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grizzwald: That's not true I don't think....we have had riots here and a lot of them ....and water cannons ....bean bags ....noise cannons....yup and even REAL bullets...
And we all know how many guns are in our homes.....and none of those riots turned into a firefight after these things happened ...
I find it strange that you all think having the army restore order a BAD thing....
I hear some of the prophets of doom talking about the inability of the British to cope with unrest are being sensational.And we all know how many guns are in our homes.....and none of those riots turned into a firefight after these things happened ...
I find it strange that you all think having the army restore order a BAD thing....
This is the consequences of left wing policies that do not work in practice. However the country signed on to that when the colonised foreign lands. Its sort of like mad chickens coming home to roost.
Britain has a long history of repressing Native populations, when the refused to tow the line and they learned to fine tune their ways of dealing with social unrest.
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potter1: here is a great word for you pac-man PROPAGANDA you are a big boy, you should know never to believe the news broadcasts they only show the juicy bits they are scared to print the whole truth you know that ay ladie?????? As for twitter, Facebook lol how much scotch have you had mate, Hope you are ok north of the border!
l LOVE IT FOLK WHO ARE LOSING THE ARGUMENT ALWAYS,ALWAYS accuse others of boozing,reading biased broadcasts....So sad. I read all sorts,listen to all sorts, watch the comments on the Net and I read between the lines.
This was no protest just ferral folk thieving,burning,robbing and in general causing mayhem. Sad that you try to justify this in anyway...
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Community care services do work for the majority but these we do not hear about. The police try hard to work with ethnic community leaders to maintain peace and harmony, but they need to be extra attentive as crime is higher in these areas, but they cannot be seen to be harrassing or progressive as this would show prejudice, and be taken as provocation. It's a bit of a catch 22 situation.
When charged for minor-ish crimes the law courts are also lenient, sentences are extremely light or practically non existent and totally unfitting to the crimes. The youth is then released to go out and reoffend. It becomes a vicious circle and the only thing the youth gains from this is his increased self belief of invincibility.
This is pointless for all but why is it constantly like this ? No money left to build more prisons or invest in more preventative social schemes ?
When charged for minor-ish crimes the law courts are also lenient, sentences are extremely light or practically non existent and totally unfitting to the crimes. The youth is then released to go out and reoffend. It becomes a vicious circle and the only thing the youth gains from this is his increased self belief of invincibility.
This is pointless for all but why is it constantly like this ? No money left to build more prisons or invest in more preventative social schemes ?
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Straightdown: When people see no future, when they have no money, when their services are cut, when wefare is cut, when politicans are seen fraudulantly claiming expenses and not being punished, when white collar crime into the billions goes unpunished people get angry. That anger slowly builds until it explodes into violence.
Nobody is condoning rioting or looting but I think anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see some of the reasons why it happened!
When people see no future, when they have no money, when their services are cut, when wefare is cut, when politicans are seen fraudulantly claiming expenses and not being punished, when white collar crime into the billions goes unpunished people get angry. That anger slowly builds until it explodes into violence.Nobody is condoning rioting or looting but I think anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see some of the reasons why it happened!
"when politicans are seen fraudulantly claiming expenses and not being punished"
I can think of at least 4 MPs who were convicted - just google MPS imprisoned for expenses fraud.
However, what concerns me is the disregard for causing endangerment to life and I am sure you saw for example the photo of the young woman having to leap for her life out of a window of a burning flat. Many parents I am sure were wondering and asking the question where is my child? I am sure many were relieved when they came home and were not involved. I don't think a child as young as five with a hammer tucked up his T-shirt has anger issues about the state somehow?
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Straightdown: When people see no future, when they have no money, when their services are cut, when wefare is cut, when politicans are seen fraudulantly claiming expenses and not being punished, when white collar crime into the billions goes unpunished people get angry. That anger slowly builds until it explodes into violence.
Nobody is condoning rioting or looting but I think anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see some of the reasons why it happened!
When people see no future, when they have no money, when their services are cut, when wefare is cut, when politicans are seen fraudulantly claiming expenses and not being punished, when white collar crime into the billions goes unpunished people get angry. That anger slowly builds until it explodes into violence.Nobody is condoning rioting or looting but I think anyone with an ounce of intelligence can see some of the reasons why it happened!
"when politicans are seen fraudulantly claiming expenses and not being punished"
I can think of at least 4 MPs who were convicted - just google MPS imprisoned for expenses fraud.
However, what concerns me is the disregard for causing endangerment to life and I am sure you saw for example the photo of the young woman having to leap for her life out of a window of a burning flat. Many parents I am sure were wondering and asking the question where is my child? I am sure many were relieved when they came home and were not involved. I don't think a child as young as five with a hammer tucked up his T-shirt has anger issues about the state somehow?
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Can anybody from Great Britain tell me if their police have tasers?
I know they are not armed, but was wondering about tasers. anyone?
I know they are not armed, but was wondering about tasers. anyone?
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How do you know the majority dont want jobs or training? Again assumptions...And there is no jobs or training available to them so you can't make that assumption.
And as I said in an earlier post...They have no respect for societ and authority because socirty and authority has done nothing to earn their respect!
I might not know about many things in life,but i know about these type of people.