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kidatheart: Not very loving, which suggests that this "spirit" doesn't reside in the hearts of all, and in turn, could be an arguement against the existance of any god(s).
Don´t know that it actually constitutes an argument against the existence of god or a divine energy.
Imagine several people in a dark room without doors or windows. The fact they can´t feel the heat of the sun, or see its light doesn´t deny its existence. They might argue between them as to the nature of it, and some might have read this and that about it and share it as their own truth, but truth is till they knock a whole in the whole and get to see and feel for themselves, it´s all conjuncture and hearsay. And even after they get to see and feel the warmth of the sun, most still won´t be able to explain how it works and why it´s there.
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EagleWoman: Don´t know that it actually constitutes an argument against the existence of god or a divine energy.
Imagine several people in a dark room without doors or windows. The fact they can´t feel the heat of the sun, or see its light doesn´t deny its existence. They might argue between them as to the nature of it, and some might have read this and that about it and share it as their own truth, but truth is till they knock a whole in the whole and get to see and feel for themselves, it´s all conjuncture and hearsay. And even after they get to see and feel the warmth of the sun, most still won´t be able to explain how it works and why it´s there.
true.....E/W......but say it was night time ...and the sun was,nt shining.........what then.......Imagine several people in a dark room without doors or windows. The fact they can´t feel the heat of the sun, or see its light doesn´t deny its existence. They might argue between them as to the nature of it, and some might have read this and that about it and share it as their own truth, but truth is till they knock a whole in the whole and get to see and feel for themselves, it´s all conjuncture and hearsay. And even after they get to see and feel the warmth of the sun, most still won´t be able to explain how it works and why it´s there.
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trueheart1941: true.....E/W......but say it was night time ...and the sun was,nt shining.........what then.......
They´d all go "Oh!! My God!!! It was all lies!!! The sun does NOT exist!!"
And .............
They´d all be wrong!!!
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As Socrates said "Dust in the Wind".
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what if all your life was one big dream, and you will wake up when its over
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God does exist.
I seen God myself.God was driving a purple racing motorcycle but I didnt get the licence plate but Im certain it was God cause another fella seen God on a purple fast motorcycle the same day but couldnt catch him either.I heard that on the radio the same day. God is around us but drives like a maniac.
So finally we have proof.Hes out there poeple.
Keep an eye out for a purple motorcycle.
I seen God myself.God was driving a purple racing motorcycle but I didnt get the licence plate but Im certain it was God cause another fella seen God on a purple fast motorcycle the same day but couldnt catch him either.I heard that on the radio the same day. God is around us but drives like a maniac.
So finally we have proof.Hes out there poeple.
Keep an eye out for a purple motorcycle.
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AtwoZ: Exactly!So "God" did not divide languages,because as you said,their where many.....you´re right..
But,my question was,-how come God send his Suras thru a manmade channel,-a language,-and not a divine one?
But,my question was,-how come God send his Suras thru a manmade channel,-a language,-and not a divine one?
How do you know he/she didn´t?
May be people were too busy ammasing fortunes and controling others to notice or be open to the divine channel. We all know that "reception" is not good when there´s "interference" that gets in the way of the "waves".
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row row your boat gently down the stream, merry merry merry life is but a dream
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nonsmoker: As Socrates said "Dust in the Wind".
This guy thought it was about the wind too
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EagleWoman: How do you know he/she didn´t?
May be people were too busy ammasing fortunes and controling others to notice or be open to the divine channel. We all know that "reception" is not good when there´s "interference" that gets in the way of the "waves".
No,I don´t know,that´s why I´m asking!May be people were too busy ammasing fortunes and controling others to notice or be open to the divine channel. We all know that "reception" is not good when there´s "interference" that gets in the way of the "waves".
We´re not talking people(pluralis),rather ONE person,and his "revelations"...
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AtwoZ: Exactly!So "God" did not divide languages,because as you said,their where many.....you´re right..
But,my question was,-how come God send his Suras thru a manmade channel,-a language,-and not a divine one?
But,my question was,-how come God send his Suras thru a manmade channel,-a language,-and not a divine one?
I always said if you read back MAN wrote the holy books it has nothing to do with any God....The Islamists will have you believe Mohammed was divine and the Quoran came from him...Rubbish it was Man.
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AtwoZ: No,I don´t know,that´s why I´m asking!
We´re not talking people(pluralis),rather ONE person,and his "revelations"...
We´re not talking people(pluralis),rather ONE person,and his "revelations"...
Who is this one person you´re talking about? Mohammed? Jesus? Buddha?
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EagleWoman: Who is this one person you´re talking about? Mohammed? Jesus? Buddha?
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AtwoZ: The first dude,-Mohammed...not Mohammed Ali,the boxer,rather the Prophet...
Unless we speak/read arabic and can read the original we shall not know what it´s all about.
I do notice one thing, many self-proclaimed experts on the subject of religions, here on the forums, appear to be quoting from altered/translated versions that don´t carry the original message, whether it be Islam or Christianity.
How did I work that one out?
One can´t proclaim to be the carrier of a spiritual truth in one sentence and in the next be verbaly abusive and disrespectful to people.
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patmac: Then they are like the rest of the religions wrong...No holy book was written by ny form of divinity.
They were all written by MAN.....Fact...
Yepp!!For once I agree with you,but you commited the worst possible form of blasphemy,-you just claimed that the entire fundament of Islam(and any other religion),is a lie.....,and therefore,-that everyone who actually believes this,is fooled.....Congrats!!!They were all written by MAN.....Fact...
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EagleWoman: Unless we speak/read arabic and can read the original we shall not know what it´s all about.
I do notice one thing, many self-proclaimed experts on the subject of religions, here on the forums, appear to be quoting from altered/translated versions that don´t carry the original message, whether it be Islam or Christianity.
How did I work that one out?
One can´t proclaim to be the carrier of a spiritual truth in one sentence and in the next be verbaly abusive and disrespectful to people.
True,but still not!Keep in mind,most scripts need an "ok",before getting printed in different languages,as for the Quran,-it´s the Al-Ahzar University in Cairo who decides this...Original language,-well,that would mean,that 100´s of millions of Muslims worldwide,(or any other confession),wouldn´t understand the "Holy"book,-because they don´t know the original language?I do notice one thing, many self-proclaimed experts on the subject of religions, here on the forums, appear to be quoting from altered/translated versions that don´t carry the original message, whether it be Islam or Christianity.
How did I work that one out?
One can´t proclaim to be the carrier of a spiritual truth in one sentence and in the next be verbaly abusive and disrespectful to people.
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EagleWoman: Unless we speak/read arabic and can read the original we shall not know what it´s all about.
I do notice one thing, many self-proclaimed experts on the subject of religions, here on the forums, appear to be quoting from altered/translated versions that don´t carry the original message, whether it be Islam or Christianity.
How did I work that one out?
One can´t proclaim to be the carrier of a spiritual truth in one sentence and in the next be verbaly abusive and disrespectful to people.
True,but still not!Keep in mind,most scripts need an "ok",before getting printed in different languages,as for the Quran,-it´s the Al-Ahzar University in Cairo who decides this...Original language,-well,that would mean,that 100´s of millions of Muslims worldwide,(or any other confession),wouldn´t understand the "Holy"book,-because they don´t know the original language?I do notice one thing, many self-proclaimed experts on the subject of religions, here on the forums, appear to be quoting from altered/translated versions that don´t carry the original message, whether it be Islam or Christianity.
How did I work that one out?
One can´t proclaim to be the carrier of a spiritual truth in one sentence and in the next be verbaly abusive and disrespectful to people.
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AtwoZ: True,but still not!Keep in mind,most scripts need an "ok",before getting printed in different languages,as for the Quran,-it´s the Al-Ahzar University in Cairo who decides this...Original language,-well,that would mean,that 100´s of millions of Muslims worldwide,(or any other confession),wouldn´t understand the "Holy"book,-because they don´t know the original language?
Yeah! But who gives the OK? Heads of state? Heads of religious entity? Most of them go for power, control and riches, not spiritual accuracy.
Mak, who started the thread, did say in an earlier post that the majority of muslims don´t understand or try to understand the meaning of the message in the Quran, because they buy off the shelf version (which could be propaganda versions IMO) and apparently it needs years of study with trained scholars to trully get the phylosophy of its words. So although 100´s of millions of muslims can recite the Quran by heart in Arabic, the majority of them don´t know what they´re saying. Mak´s words.
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AtwoZ: Yepp!!For once I agree with you,but you commited the worst possible form of blasphemy,-you just claimed that the entire fundament of Islam(and any other religion),is a lie.....,and therefore,-that everyone who actually believes this,is fooled.....Congrats!!!
Not one religion actually states it's Holy ook was written by God.
And that includes Islam. So the fact is they were all written by MAN.
Nowyou may or not believe these men who wrote the books are in some way special or divine or even a "prophet" but that is and always will be a belief. Fact is all the writers and translators were MEN and like all men fallible and biased....So I make no statement on any belief of any religion just the fact the books were written by MEN.
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Not very loving, which suggests that this "spirit" doesn't reside in the hearts of all, and in turn, could be an arguement against the existance of any god(s).