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Apr 26, 2012 11:20 AM CST life and death--for the atheist
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
patmac: Read it again Max. I proved folk live on ventilators...You originally asked why we could not ring back the spirit..

What is the spirit, that inhabits your body and makes it work? why can't we still live on a ventilator or live suport machines when the spirit is gone? Surely the heart pumps blood and ample oxygen keeps the brain cells alive. Why don't we live then?

patmac: "“Next bit.

Max, folk have lived for years on Ventilators and they are used often to keep people "alive" for transplant purposes until the right time to do the operation”"
You still didn't asnwer the question. I asked why can't the vantilators bring the spirit back in the body and make the person alive again? Why don't you die and try coming back to life through a vantilator? It's a life support mechanism, not LIFE itself? You cannot ever prove a spirit ever existed. Show me one.

We can live on a ventilator and you can't show or prove any "spirit has gone or was even there.

I clearly answered your questions Max with facts. You as normal twisted and changed the angle.

Eagle is right I am wasting my time as you ask for logic and then try to twist and lie.

Two Questions Max....

Who or what is Allah...Can you show me.

Who or what is a spirit....Can you show me..

No chance of a logical answer...


As usual you mixed my comments and your clueless replies together to make it hard to decipher who said what...Nice try!

Allah, God, Rama, Christ, Buddha.....this is what we are debating and you are refusing to debate. Not a single relevant answer you gave.

And for your stupid logic about people living on vantilators? The ones who are dead "means spirit gone" remain there for years, and doctors pull the plug eventually losing all hope. Don't mix vantilators being a life support, with a life giver. Vantilators support life and do a lot good, if there is any life left.

Do you care to answer my scientific questions with scientific and logical arguement?
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Apr 26, 2012 11:25 AM CST life and death--for the atheist
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
maxmate1: As usual you mixed my comments and your clueless replies together to make it hard to decipher who said what...Nice try!

Allah, God, Rama, Christ, Buddha.....this is what we are debating and you are refusing to debate. Not a single relevant answer you gave.

And for your stupid logic about people living on vantilators? The ones who are dead "means spirit gone" remain there for years, and doctors pull the plug eventually losing all hope. Don't mix vantilators being a life support, with a life giver. Vantilators support life and do a lot good, if there is any life left.

Do you care to answer my scientific questions with scientific and logical arguement?


Patty....Stick to the debate and specific to the questions I raised in Posts#133 and 145. We'll come closer to the end you're hurrying for, seeing God and His spirit both!
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Apr 26, 2012 11:27 AM CST life and death--for the atheist
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
maxmate1: Why are you so intelligent? Why don't you have a rooster's brain? How come evolution of intelligence only worked on mankind and not on other species? Why are cockroaches not the leaders of the world?
You still missed the question purposedly through sarcasm and irrelevant humor. Why only human brain evolved as it is today and not other species? And about evolution, why your forefathers, Primates (monkeys/apes) from which you evolved from according to your evolution, are still apes. Why din't they all evolve to be human? Has evolution stopped after you evolved from them?

For the survival of the fittest, why humans remained fittest in all respects and why not other species? we all shared the same earth. NO?

I have to higlight my questions agian so that you can put the evolution to use.


Max I'm surprised at you...laugh

This question comes up time and time again, if you did a little research you'd find there is a perfectly logical explanation for it.

doh
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Apr 26, 2012 11:27 AM CST life and death--for the atheist
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
maxmate1: As usual you mixed my comments and your clueless replies together to make it hard to decipher who said what...Nice try!

Allah, God, Rama, Christ, Buddha.....this is what we are debating and you are refusing to debate. Not a single relevant answer you gave.

And for your stupid logic about people living on vantilators? The ones who are dead "means spirit gone" remain there for years, and doctors pull the plug eventually losing all hope. Don't mix vantilators being a life support, with a life giver. Vantilators support life and do a lot good, if there is any life left.

Do you care to answer my scientific questions with scientific and logical arguement?


Facts Max I gave you facts...

Here is another Folk can recover from being on a life support machine....So that blows another of you wee bits away...



Have a read....Out of this now folks as Max is losing again and he will scream "Pack"

Bye Bye Max.....grin cheers
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Apr 26, 2012 11:28 AM CST life and death--for the atheist
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
scon1916: Religion is a form of madness. Led Zeppelin was on the radio one day singing "She's buying the stairway to heaven" My mother said to me that they were singing about my aunty Mary who used to do the stations of the cross twice a day.


Religion is a code/discipline of leading life. Many religions are there. Here the debate is the existence of a supreme force (God) that controls, effects the precision I mentioned in my posts 133 and 145. Christ, Rama, Allah, Budha, whatever name He's called with.
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Apr 26, 2012 11:31 AM CST life and death--for the atheist
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
bodleing: Max I'm surprised at you...

This question comes up time and time again, if you did a little research you'd find there is a perfectly logical explanation for it.


My master question is that why only HUMAN species evolved only,..... sharing the same earth, circumstances, "coincidences" disasters with many other species?

If evolution is a change over time, why the species way older than humans didn't evolve more than Humans did?
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Apr 26, 2012 11:33 AM CST life and death--for the atheist
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
patmac: Facts Max I gave you facts...

Here is another Folk can recover from being on a life support machine....So that blows another of you wee bits away...



Have a read....Out of this now folks as Max is losing again and he will scream "Pack"

Bye Bye Max.....


Many people survive on vantilators. I know many many examples. But only when life (spirit) is still there. Those who died (spirit gone) couldn't live on Vantilators. Why do doctors pull the plug then?
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Apr 26, 2012 11:36 AM CST life and death--for the atheist
see ive been to hell, i seen the devil...no one would believe that
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Apr 26, 2012 11:37 AM CST life and death--for the atheist
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
maxmate1: It's an age old trick of peer support. When one peer is losing the case, the other peers come and attempt to brand both as losers....Like in auction houses....some insiders will just raise the price to induce a high price....

Your known buddy failing to asnwer relevant questions doesn't mean you assume the role of a spkoes person of all CSers....don't even speculate. If you really had substance, you would choose to be part of the debate in question, rather than making silly remarks about my posts. And please act on your madness definition. We have seen it over and over. Either make a contribution relevant to my posts, directly, or stay quiet. Will help you not look like a clueless dumbo!


My post was addressed to both of you. Neither of you are my "buddies".

Is this supposed to get me irrate and to loose my temper? roll eyes
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Apr 26, 2012 11:39 AM CST life and death--for the atheist
venusenvy
venusenvyvenusenvyCalgary, Alberta Canada27 Threads 20,003 Posts
Where is poor Mak in all this ?? did he get completely buried under the ego's in here? dunno
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Apr 26, 2012 11:41 AM CST life and death--for the atheist
not many people can say they went through hell in life. there is a devil and many demons,, if you had walked in my shoe's you would of seen 4 yourself's
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Apr 26, 2012 11:43 AM CST life and death--for the atheist
pops666
pops666pops666Waterloo,ontario, Ontario Canada4 Threads 1,387 Posts
venusenvy: Where is poor Mak in all this ?? did he get completely buried under the ego's in here?


No..I think Mak is looking at this and shaking his head...but what do you expect..
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Apr 26, 2012 11:47 AM CST life and death--for the atheist
chris27292729
chris27292729chris27292729IOS island, South Aegean Greece93 Threads 15,811 Posts
"Mak_uits" sold his thread to others.Selling religion,does not mean,you ain't a good salesman.
venusenvy: Where is poor Mak in all this ?? did he get completely buried under the ego's in here?
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Apr 26, 2012 11:47 AM CST life and death--for the atheist
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
maxmate1: My master question is that why only HUMAN species evolved only,..... sharing the same earth, circumstances, "coincidences" disasters with many other species?

If evolution is a change over time, why the species way older than humans didn't evolve more than Humans did?


And to the question of seeing Spirit and God. I'd say that's an interesting thought for those who intend to avoid the scientific and logical debate and come to the conclusion in a hurry.

My question is that "Is there something called "thought"? If there is, we must be able to see it as a proof that they are actually THINKING? If not, means they are not thinking at all and so the point of whole debate is lost as there is no subsequent "thought-process" involved in their arguements. doh
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Apr 26, 2012 11:52 AM CST life and death--for the atheist
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
EagleWoman: My post was addressed to both of you. Neither of you are my "buddies".

Is this supposed to get me irrate and to loose my temper?


Is it wrong if I point out that instead of making relevant remarks to my posts 133 and 145 you start bringing in your subjective and (supposedly) amusing remarks about me? Why? What is your objective here? And why did you assume to role of all CSers?

If you are serious in the scientific, logical, philosophical debate do come in by all means. Or bring humor about yourself. Don't try to brand your "desired" image of others to all CSers. That's all. Relax!
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Apr 26, 2012 11:54 AM CST life and death--for the atheist
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
maxmate1: My master question is that why only HUMAN species evolved only,..... sharing the same earth, circumstances, "coincidences" disasters with many other species?

If evolution is a change over time, why the species way older than humans didn't evolve more than Humans did?


Maybe you need to read up a bit Max, the answers to your questions are readily available.

Why did man develop the large brain? Why did the other primates not do so? The answer, of course is in his particular environment, how well he matched it, and what the evolutionary alternatives were. His upright posture was both a blessing and a curse. He found himself standing upright on the ground. He could not outrun or out-fight his predators. It would take massive changes in his physical structure to improve the situation. Evolution usually works in an incremental fashion. Mutations occurred to his entire body and brain. Small changes to his body did bring about some physical changes. He developed stronger and better shaped eating tools. Still, his biggest problem was the predators, big fast cats and the men in the next tribe. Incremental physical changes did not help that problem one whit. Yet every time the brain grew incrementally (mutations that affected brain size), good things happened. He not only was able to handle his predator problem better, but his cultural life improved. With the free arms and hands to carry things and to handle weapons, his lot improved with each brain size increase.

Evolution, through the liberal application of death and hardship, had built a strong body and a sound mind by the time of the appearance of Homo sapiens sapiens. Both were designed for entirely different environments than experienced by man today. We live longer today for three reasons. One is our health care and diet. The second is that our bodies were constructed to last thirty years under brutally harsh conditions. Removal of those harsh conditions allows a longer life span. Third is our culture. We cheat evolution of the deaths that it needs to cleanse the gene pool. In the short run we will live longer. Eventually mutations will erase these benefits. Evolution seeks to have us hanging over the edge.

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Apr 26, 2012 11:54 AM CST life and death--for the atheist
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
chris27292729: "Mak_uits" sold his thread to others.Selling religion,does not mean,you ain't a good salesman.


laugh rolling on the floor laughing I must second you on selling religion part. Yes, religion is left for many as a selling item. Everyone seems to impose/shove the religion of convenience to him/her instead of finding their own purpose in life and contribution to other fellow humanbeings. handshake
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Apr 26, 2012 11:55 AM CST life and death--for the atheist
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
I´m out of here for sure.

I made a post which was supposed to be humourous but all it earned was accusations, disrespect and insults!!


motorcycle


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Apr 26, 2012 12:01 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
maxmate1: Is it wrong if I point out that instead of making relevant remarks to my posts 133 and 145 you start bringing in your subjective and (supposedly) amusing remarks about me? Why? What is your objective here? And why did you assume to role of all CSers?

If you are serious in the scientific, logical, philosophical debate do come in by all means. Or bring humor about yourself. Don't try to brand your "desired" image of others to all CSers. That's all. Relax!


My post was addressed to both you and Pat. It was intended humourous and light hearted.

As I said I´m out of this thread till Mak comes back.
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Apr 26, 2012 12:04 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
cynicalorange
cynicalorangecynicalorangeBristol or Dortmund, Somerset, England UK27 Threads 5 Polls 1,897 Posts
My collection of Irony Meters have all broken suddenly! blues


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