life and death--for the atheist (295)
olaixValhalla, Nordland Norway52 Threads 6 Polls 1,119 PostsEinstein was right, not only that there is a mystery to the existence, but to not start lip service claiming he knew what exactly it was.
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olaix: Einstein was right, not only that there is a mystery to the existence, but to not start lip service claiming he knew what exactly it was.
He was one of our greatest minds - - - - - His theories about time and space - - - - are just breath taking his theories that slowly are being proved by today's scientists - - - -
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54xmax: He was one of our greatest minds - - - - - His theories about time and space - - - - are just breath taking his theories that slowly are being proved by today's scientists - - - -
Yes. He will always be remembered, just like Aristotle, Olaix, Jesus and those guys.
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olaix: Yes. He will always be remembered, just like Aristotle, Olaix, Jesus and those guys.
Do you reckon jesus suffered from delusions of granduer like this Olaix guy.
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""If one purges the Judaism of the Prophets and Christianity as Jesus taught it of all subsequent additions, especially those of the priests, one is left with a teaching which is capable of curing all the social ills of humanity."" Mr Einstein.
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whistlinwheel: ""If one purges the Judaism of the Prophets and Christianity as Jesus taught it of all subsequent additions, especially those of the priests, one is left with a teaching which is capable of curing all the social ills of humanity."" Mr Einstein.
Now with that Sir, I agree - - - -
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Any "Agnostic" that want to give their opinion on "Death"??
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Nikogas: Any "Agnostic" that want to give their opinion on "Death"??
Anyone??????????????????????????
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whistlinwheel: Do you reckon jesus suffered from delusions of granduer like this Olaix guy. I think it's possible.
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Nikogas: Anyone??????????????????????????
Death has it owns beauty, to die from the known. Just like love, that is freedom. So death has tremendous vitality, and what makes life a life.
But as a agnostic - I guess I'll just have to wait til I find out myself, for real.
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Nikogas: Any "Agnostic" that want to give their opinion on "Death"??
I don't know what it will be like, I don't think I will "find out". Most likely it will be like it was before I was conceived. And that was nothing at all as far as I can remember. I imagine death is really not a state of being, so I can not really "BE" dead. At one time I did not exist and for that reason I imagine I can also not exist again.
However,,, for the very same reason that I am "here" now, I imagine I can be "here" again. The fact that I did not exist and then did, is at least a hint or some proof that this is how things really are. Much more proof then religion has to offer, which has no proof at all of all it's outrageous claims.
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EagleWoman: Are you saying that all who study the Quran, study it in its original version, exactely as it was first written and without one single change, not even a comma?
Well yes. The same is true for the Torah, the teachings of Buddha, the New Testament scriptures, and the writings of other religious traditions.
Before there were printing presses there were monks in monasteries whose entire lives were devoted to painstakingly copying out manuscripts.
Each page was always checked several times by several different people to make sure that no changes occurred.
That doesn't make the doctrine any more or less true. But it's a pretty safe bet that the text hasn't changed even by a comma.
Of course, when it comes to translating the text from one language to another, there will always be some discrepancy in the way different translators understand and phrase the text in the target language. That's why there are so many different Bible versions.
Islam handles this problem by stating that only the Arabic Koran is official. Other translations are necessary for people who don't speak Arabic, but if there is a dispute on meaning, only the Arabic version can be cited in discussing the dispute.
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Nikogas: Any "Agnostic" that want to give their opinion on "Death"??
Do you count a spiritual buddhist as an agnostic?
I once was a christian, but couldnä't digest the theological system/s, because there aren't just one doctrine, but thousands of them.
So I believe in reincarnation in some way. But eternal life...no way.
Then many christians tell me, but eternal life isn't like here on earth, you will not recognize anything from it.
So if I will not be able to compare eternal life from this one, then eternal life is nothing for me.
And also many christians have sent me to hell for not believing as they do. So I had to repent and pray, REALLY HARD for not being a true christian.
But I'm ok with that today, because I found error in the whole package. And it takes some time and effort to come to the conclusion. Especially as from my perspective, what I did, to go "all in" on christianity and the ecumenical dialogue to convince all non-believers that christian do love each other.
But I was so wrong, so wrong.
A hard-core christian wants to see atheists burn in hell. They get some kind of satisfaction from that.
But they have also been thinking the forbidden thought - what if all this is not true? And they did put so much effort in reading the Bible and praying and all this stupid songs and so on.
So when they die, nothing happens. And they can tell noone about it.
But that's what the study of religions is all about. What is life, and what is death. And it's interesting to study other religions what they have to say about it.
Even though I started to dislike christianity, I still can see that some people need to be "saved", because they have been so bad and egoistic, that theological or biblical torture is good for their soul.
So what I still find interesting in christian teaching is the death of the ego, the death of the bad me.
The only difference is that I no longer believe that when it happens, it's Jesus that lives in me. I believe it's the true core within me, and that core has some kind of connection with the eternity.
I just need to say one more thing. So many christians have asked me if I have a personal relation with Jesus. And when a group of let's say ten people all claim that they have a personal relation with Jesus, and I don't have it, I felt very strange. I think that was the day when my faith died, or started to fade away.
It would have been easier for me if Jesus showed up and I didn't had to feel embarassed because of that I couldn't feel "Jesus in my heart".
So my real life is about another journey that I will not mention here...
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Forbidden thought? The trouble with faith is, an equal amount of doubt comes along with it that must be denied.
Many so-called Christians certainly are not very Christ like, nor do they have who they say Christ is, in their hearts. They tend to feel threatened by Atheists and Agnostics.
The only people that need saving are those who "think" they need to be saved. They need to be saved from that terrible notion that they need to be saved. Possibly they are the ones going through that "Biblical torture".
I don't know if Buddhists are Agnostic. An Agnostic simply acknowledges that he does not know if there "is" a God or "not".
One can study all the religions in the world and still not know anything more about death then You or I or Jesus or Buddha. If when one dies, there is nothing, then one will not be "there"? to tell anyone. One simply isn't. Probably as it was before their lives began.
If there is a God or Jesus, would they not want us to be honest with ourselves?
The only thing we really do know about God or death is that there is a Mystery to this existence of ours.
That Mystery,,,, is God.... Not a man. No son, no immaculate conception or virgin birth, no resurrection, no heaven or hell after life. None of the crap that religion demands us to believe on blind faith.
Many so-called Christians certainly are not very Christ like, nor do they have who they say Christ is, in their hearts. They tend to feel threatened by Atheists and Agnostics.
The only people that need saving are those who "think" they need to be saved. They need to be saved from that terrible notion that they need to be saved. Possibly they are the ones going through that "Biblical torture".
I don't know if Buddhists are Agnostic. An Agnostic simply acknowledges that he does not know if there "is" a God or "not".
One can study all the religions in the world and still not know anything more about death then You or I or Jesus or Buddha. If when one dies, there is nothing, then one will not be "there"? to tell anyone. One simply isn't. Probably as it was before their lives began.
If there is a God or Jesus, would they not want us to be honest with ourselves?
The only thing we really do know about God or death is that there is a Mystery to this existence of ours.
That Mystery,,,, is God.... Not a man. No son, no immaculate conception or virgin birth, no resurrection, no heaven or hell after life. None of the crap that religion demands us to believe on blind faith.
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First of all the person in that video is not an Atheist anymore. So his opinion is irrelevent to me as a non believer.
You entirely miss the point about atheists are non believers. First of all I prefer to refer to myself as a non believer than an atheist. Unlike religions, being a non believer, does not imply a particular belief, you can have ten different non believers with ten different sets of philosophies.
The person in that video was looking for a meaning to his life, but the whole point is that a lot of non believers get their meaning from other things. I am a socialist, I get my meaning from that, I don't need meaning from any religion. I think it is a beautiful thing that I can base my morality on basic human decency rather than on a book in whatever form that was written thousands of years ago.
That person found Islam because they were looking for something and were determined to find some religion, that's grand but it seems a very artificialprocess to me. Also the fact I believe when you did you die and that's it, means I can appreciate my life more. It's a beautiful, invigorating thing for me personally. If you get meaning from the quaran (sic) then fair enough, but I don't need or want meaning from any religious text. I'm happy to be a non believer, I have a free will and a free mind. So you can save me your sympathy and your attempt at conversion. Let you live your life according to your beliefs and the rest of us will live according to our own.
You entirely miss the point about atheists are non believers. First of all I prefer to refer to myself as a non believer than an atheist. Unlike religions, being a non believer, does not imply a particular belief, you can have ten different non believers with ten different sets of philosophies.
The person in that video was looking for a meaning to his life, but the whole point is that a lot of non believers get their meaning from other things. I am a socialist, I get my meaning from that, I don't need meaning from any religion. I think it is a beautiful thing that I can base my morality on basic human decency rather than on a book in whatever form that was written thousands of years ago.
That person found Islam because they were looking for something and were determined to find some religion, that's grand but it seems a very artificialprocess to me. Also the fact I believe when you did you die and that's it, means I can appreciate my life more. It's a beautiful, invigorating thing for me personally. If you get meaning from the quaran (sic) then fair enough, but I don't need or want meaning from any religious text. I'm happy to be a non believer, I have a free will and a free mind. So you can save me your sympathy and your attempt at conversion. Let you live your life according to your beliefs and the rest of us will live according to our own.
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