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Apr 26, 2012 12:10 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
bodleing: Maybe you need to read up a bit Max, the answers to your questions are readily available.

Why did man develop the large brain? Why did the other primates not do so? The answer, of course is in his particular environment, how well he matched it, and what the evolutionary alternatives were. His upright posture was both a blessing and a curse. He found himself standing upright on the ground. He could not outrun or out-fight his predators. It would take massive changes in his physical structure to improve the situation. Evolution usually works in an incremental fashion. Mutations occurred to his entire body and brain. Small changes to his body did bring about some physical changes. He developed stronger and better shaped eating tools. Still, his biggest problem was the predators, big fast cats and the men in the next tribe. Incremental physical changes did not help that problem one whit. Yet every time the brain grew incrementally (mutations that affected brain size), good things happened. He not only was able to handle his predator problem better, but his cultural life improved. With the free arms and hands to carry things and to handle weapons, his lot improved with each brain size increase.

Evolution, through the liberal application of death and hardship, had built a strong body and a sound mind by the time of the appearance of Homo sapiens sapiens. Both were designed for entirely different environments than experienced by man today. We live longer today for three reasons. One is our health care and diet. The second is that our bodies were constructed to last thirty years under brutally harsh conditions. Removal of those harsh conditions allows a longer life span. Third is our culture. We cheat evolution of the deaths that it needs to cleanse the gene pool. In the short run we will live longer. Eventually mutations will erase these benefits. Evolution seeks to have us hanging over the edge.



Hi Bodeling...Thanks for your input. My question was aimed at a preceding secnario. The evolution chain of Humans. Your explanation is about after humans evolved into the biologocal shape (homosapiens) we are in today.

I have the followin primary questions:

1. Why among all species only us, humans, evolved to this perfection and not other species? If evolution is change over time, given the same earth, why did older species not evolve smarter and better than us?

2. Why the last link of our evolution chain (Primates) stopped evolving and can still be seen where they are. Why only we "Humans" evolved?

3. And for human evolution, why have we stopped evolving for the last 200,000 years, since Homosapiens came into being as per scoientific evidence? if evolution is a continusous cycle.

Would appreciate your comments.
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Apr 26, 2012 12:15 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
cynicalorange
cynicalorangecynicalorangeBristol or Dortmund, Somerset, England UK27 Threads 5 Polls 1,897 Posts
maxmate1:

I have the followin primary questions:

1. Why among all species only us, humans, evolved to this perfection and not other species? If evolution is change over time, given the same earth, why did older species not evolve smarter and better than us?

Who's to say that they are not still evolving? It's not something done within a generation, but over thousands of generations.
Would be rather ignorant to think that every living thing, had finished evolving.

Oh wait...


2. Why the last link of our evolution chain (Primates) stopped evolving and can still be seen where they are. Why only we "Humans" evolved?

See above

3. And for human evolution, why have we stopped evolving for the last 200,000 years, since Homosapiens came into being as per scoientific evidence? if evolution is a continusous cycle.

Same again

Would appreciate your comments.
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Apr 26, 2012 12:16 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
bodleing
bodleingbodleingGreater Manchester, England UK238 Threads 8 Polls 13,810 Posts
maxmate1: Hi Bodeling...Thanks for your input. My question was aimed at a preceding secnario. The evolution chain of Humans. Your explanation is about after humans evolved into the biologocal shape (homosapiens) we are in today.

I have the followin primary questions:

1. Why among all species only us, humans, evolved to this perfection and not other species? If evolution is change over time, given the same earth, why did older species not evolve smarter and better than us?

2. Why the last link of our evolution chain (Primates) stopped evolving and can still be seen where they are. Why only we "Humans" evolved?

3. And for human evolution, why have we stopped evolving for the last 200,000 years, since Homosapiens came into being as per scoientific evidence? if evolution is a continusous cycle.

Would appreciate your comments.


There are answers within the link I posted, it's a lot of reading but worth the effort...writing

"Wise men, psychologists, philosophers and theologians have surmised and conjectured about the human over the centuries, and still do, but the truth about the human may be found only through factual knowledge. That factual knowledge lies in a process called evolution. The human is what evolution made him."
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Apr 26, 2012 12:18 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
EagleWoman: My post was addressed to both you and Pat. It was intended humourous and light hearted.

As I said I´m out of this thread till Mak comes back.


Your so called humor about my ability to anwer questions and the stance you assumed for all CSers is taken as "mocking" when a serious literary debate is going on. You could participate in the debate by all means though! So please stay with the topic.

And for fun, humor, there are many humor threads. Try the lie thread and make as much humor as you like about me, I won't mind at all. Now relax! handshake

Time and place for humor is very important.
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Apr 26, 2012 12:21 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
bodleing: There are answers within the link I posted, it's a lot of reading but worth the effort...

"Wise men, psychologists, philosophers and theologians have surmised and conjectured about the human over the centuries, and still do, but the truth about the human may be found only through factual knowledge. That factual knowledge lies in a process called evolution. The human is what evolution made him."


Okay. I shall come back after a detailed digestion of information in the link you provided. Thanks for the tip.

Meanwhile what are your own thoughts on the following questions?

1. Why among all species only us, humans, evolved to this perfection and not other species? If evolution is change over time, given the same earth, why did older species not evolve smarter and better than us?

2. Why the last link of our evolution chain (Primates) stopped evolving and can still be seen where they are. Why only we "Humans" evolved?

3. And for human evolution, why have we stopped evolving for the last 200,000 years, since Homosapiens came into being as per scoientific evidence? if evolution is a continusous cycle.

Hope you wouldn't mind my persistence and focus.

handshake
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Apr 26, 2012 12:22 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
cynicalorange
cynicalorangecynicalorangeBristol or Dortmund, Somerset, England UK27 Threads 5 Polls 1,897 Posts
maxmate1: Your so called humor about my ability to anwer questions and the stance you assumed for all CSers is taken as "mocking" when a serious literary debate is going on. You could participate in the debate by all means though! So please stay with the topic.

And for fun, humor, there are many humor threads. Try the lie thread and make as much humor as you like about me, I won't mind at all. Now relax!

Time and place for humor is very important.


Are you German? laugh
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Apr 26, 2012 12:25 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
Hi cynicalorange!

Any scientific evidence of human evolution since it evolved from primates to homosapiens? since the last 200,000 years, homosapiens as a species did not evolve in any other bioligical form/change etc, as it did from being primates to being human (the last evolution change known to us)

I asked why?
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Apr 26, 2012 12:26 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
cynicalorange: Are you German?
hug cheers That was great timing and choice of humor I must admit handshake
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Apr 26, 2012 12:29 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
cynicalorange
cynicalorangecynicalorangeBristol or Dortmund, Somerset, England UK27 Threads 5 Polls 1,897 Posts
maxmate1: Hi cynicalorange!

Any scientific evidence of human evolution since it evolved from primates to homosapiens? since the last 200,000 years, homosapiens as a species did not evolve in any other bioligical form/change etc, as it did from being primates to being human (the last evolution change known to us)

I asked why?


Because it took millions of years to get to where we are. As I mentioned earlier, it's NOT something done with a scale that's easily readable.

Bear in mind, 200,000 years is a drop in the ocean.

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Apr 26, 2012 12:32 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
maxmate1: Okay. I shall come back after a detailed digestion of information in the link you provided. Thanks for the tip.

Meanwhile what are your own thoughts on the following questions?

1. Why among all species only us, humans, evolved to this perfection and not other species? If evolution is change over time, given the same earth, why did older species not evolve smarter and better than us?

2. Why the last link of our evolution chain (Primates) stopped evolving and can still be seen where they are. Why only we "Humans" evolved?

3. And for human evolution, why have we stopped evolving for the last 200,000 years, since Homosapiens came into being as per scoientific evidence? if evolution is a continusous cycle.

Hope you wouldn't mind my persistence and focus.


Hey Max, buy a book...




doh
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Apr 26, 2012 12:39 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts


You did not asnwer the questions raised in post 133 and 145.

Now quoting post 169 you come back with a book, instead of your answers. Right!

At least you'd care to address post 162 and show me a "thought"?

Don't make me think I'm wasting my time debating with you scientifically, logically and philisophically?

doh
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Apr 26, 2012 12:41 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
RDM59
RDM59RDM59Edinburgh, Lothian, Scotland UK92 Threads 5 Polls 14,070 Posts
maxmate1: Hi Bodeling...Thanks for your input. My question was aimed at a preceding secnario. The evolution chain of Humans. Your explanation is about after humans evolved into the biologocal shape (homosapiens) we are in today.

I have the followin primary questions:

1. Why among all species only us, humans, evolved to this perfection and not other species? If evolution is change over time, given the same earth, why did older species not evolve smarter and better than us?

2. Why the last link of our evolution chain (Primates) stopped evolving and can still be seen where they are. Why only we "Humans" evolved?

3. And for human evolution, why have we stopped evolving for the last 200,000 years, since Homosapiens came into being as per scoientific evidence? if evolution is a continusous cycle.

Would appreciate your comments.



Who said we have stopped evolving ? .....dunno


It's just a very very slow process, it can't be observed over ones life time, it takes 1000's of generations.
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Apr 26, 2012 12:44 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
cynicalorange
cynicalorangecynicalorangeBristol or Dortmund, Somerset, England UK27 Threads 5 Polls 1,897 Posts
maxmate1: And to the question of seeing Spirit and God. I'd say that's an interesting thought for those who intend to avoid the scientific and logical debate and come to the conclusion in a hurry.

My question is that "Is there something called "thought"? If there is, we must be able to see it as a proof that they are actually THINKING? If not, means they are not thinking at all and so the point of whole debate is lost as there is no subsequent "thought-process" involved in their arguements.


Thoughts, are electrical pulses between cells. That's all.

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Apr 26, 2012 12:45 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
patmac
patmacpatmacglasgow, Strathclyde, Scotland UK730 Threads 6 Polls 9,662 Posts
maxmate1: You did not asnwer the questions raised in post 133 and 145.

Now quoting post 169 you come back with a book, instead of your answers. Right!

At least you'd care to address post 162 and show me a "thought"?

Don't make me think I'm wasting my time debating with you scientifically, logically and philisophically?


Max I and so many others answered your points read back.

Nice job of highjacking yet another thread...Bye Bye Max
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Apr 26, 2012 12:47 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
cynicalorange: Because it took millions of years to get to where we are. As I mentioned earlier, it's NOT something done with a scale that's easily readable. Bear in mind, 200,000 years is a drop in the ocean.



Okay. 200 years is a drop in the ocean. Then at least reply that what evloution, or even a sign of it, took place in un HUmans, from our last change from primates. Or at least some prediction to what we seem like evolving towards? becoming what species?

What's the readable scale then? There must be something.

I am asserting that humans have been the same since we know HUMAN history, or found relics of our species, HOMOSAPIENS. We have not evolved further to a new species with the changes in earth's conditions as per the evolution theory.

Either evolution is there, or it's NOT there. If it is there, why have HUMANS not evolved further? And if evolution IS there, why apes are stil apes and not HUMANS; we evolved from them according to the "evolution" theory. NO?
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Apr 26, 2012 12:49 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
90% of humans believe in a higher being
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Apr 26, 2012 12:50 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
cynicalorange
cynicalorangecynicalorangeBristol or Dortmund, Somerset, England UK27 Threads 5 Polls 1,897 Posts
maxmate1: Okay. 200 years is a drop in the ocean. Then at least reply that what evloution, or even a sign of it, took place in un HUmans, from our last change from primates. Or at least some prediction to what we seem like evolving towards? becoming what species?

What's the readable scale then? There must be something.

I am asserting that humans have been the same since we know HUMAN history, or found relics of our species, HOMOSAPIENS. We have not evolved further to a new species with the changes in earth's conditions as per the evolution theory.

Either evolution is there, or it's NOT there. If it is there, why have HUMANS not evolved further? And if evolution IS there, why apes are stil apes and not HUMANS; we evolved from them according to the "evolution" theory. NO?





Might educate you a bit more
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Apr 26, 2012 12:51 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
"When we talk to God, we are praying;
when God talks to us, we are schizophrenic."
-Unknown author
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Apr 26, 2012 12:51 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
maxmate1
maxmate1maxmate1Dubai, United Arab Emirates1 Threads 963 Posts
patmac: Max I and so many others answered your points read back.

Nice job of highjacking yet another thread...Bye Bye Max


Posts#133, 145, 162, 169 you evaded clearly for the mere fact that you know very well you can not answer them. And you fear that I will persuade you with logic, reasoning and presenting scientific evidence, questioning the very theories you present. So you'd opt out yet again.

Carry on then! comfort
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Apr 26, 2012 12:53 PM CST life and death--for the atheist
Boban1: "When we talk to God, we are praying;
when God talks to us, we are schizophrenic."
-Unknown author


im gonna write that down bo,, cheers mancheers i never heard that b4
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