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patmac: Not one religion actually states it's Holy ook was written by God.
And that includes Islam. So the fact is they were all written by MAN.
Nowyou may or not believe these men who wrote the books are in some way special or divine or even a "prophet" but that is and always will be a belief. Fact is all the writers and translators were MEN and like all men fallible and biased....So I make no statement on any belief of any religion just the fact the books were written by MEN.
Exactly!!!But tell that to any,let´s say,Muslim,-that their Prophet´s revelations where a bluff,-not God sent,but rather profan,-and we´ll see what they might think!And that includes Islam. So the fact is they were all written by MAN.
Nowyou may or not believe these men who wrote the books are in some way special or divine or even a "prophet" but that is and always will be a belief. Fact is all the writers and translators were MEN and like all men fallible and biased....So I make no statement on any belief of any religion just the fact the books were written by MEN.
However,-I find it cool that you´re actually going incorrect!!!
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pedro27: what if all your life was one big dream, and you will wake up when its over
Whilst they were dreaming they didn't realise they were asleep.
One day will come a great awakening...then they will realise, life was just a dream.
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AtwoZ: Exactly!!!But tell that to any,let´s say,Muslim,-that their Prophet´s revelations where a bluff,-not God sent,but rather profan,-and we´ll see what they might think!
However,-I find it cool that you´re actually going incorrect!!!
However,-I find it cool that you´re actually going incorrect!!!
Nah if I was going incorrect I would have gone the whole hog and said they were written by WOMEN.....Mind you some of the stories could well have been....AND
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patmac: Nah if I was going incorrect I would have gone the whole hog and said they were written by WOMEN.....Mind you some of the stories could well have been....AND to Eagle
No you wouldn´t!! Coz you hadn´t thought of it till you read my post!!!
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patmac: Nah if I was going incorrect I would have gone the whole hog and said they were written by WOMEN.....Mind you some of the stories could well have been....AND to Eagle
I looove this Pat...just love it....You´ve claimed that the Quran is profan,and not God sent,-in other words mumbo jumbo,(I agree of course),and by saying so,-you´ve just insulted the entire Muslim world....------ This thread is Archived ------
AtwoZ: I looove this Pat...just love it....You´ve claimed that the Quran is profan,and not God sent,-in other words mumbo jumbo,(I agree of course),and by saying so,-you´ve just insulted the entire Muslim world....
It´s not an insult Atwoz!! It´s an opinion!
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EagleWoman: It´s not an insult Atwoz!! It´s an opinion!
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So,what you going to do????Sue him?????
AtwoZ: I looove this Pat...just love it....You´ve claimed that the Quran is profan,and not God sent,-in other words mumbo jumbo,(I agree of course),and by saying so,-you´ve just insulted the entire Muslim world....
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chris27292729: So,what you going to do????Sue him?????
I´ll bring him to the Court of CS,(which he happens to rule himself),-and tell him that he´s pushing an,believe this or not,-an AGENDA!!!!!An ANTI-Islamic one......
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EagleWoman: No you wouldn´t!! Coz you hadn´t thought of it till you read my post!!!
So true...And for AtwoZ it was HUMOUR old son....Mind you somescholars say Mary Magdalen did write parts of th New Testament..
Like I said and always will say MAN wrote the books...And not one person in this world can disprove this...Man by the way is a generic term for Humankind.
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patmac: So true...And for AtwoZ it was HUMOUR old son....Mind you somescholars say Mary Magdalen did write parts of th New Testament..Like I said and always will say MAN wrote the books...And not one person in this world can disprove this...Man by the way is a generic term for Humankind.
"Old son",can I call you dad from now on?Yes Da..,sorry Pat,-you told the whole world that the Holy Books where manmade,and I agree!!!!!!!!!
But ask any Muslim about it,and tell ´em,that their Prophet got it all wrong,or,to be more prcise,-that they´ve got it all wrong....
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someone looked at the pyramid shape from far, it might look to him as a triangle and he came to a conclusion that pyramid is nothing but a triangle. another person looked at the base and came to a conclusion that pyramid is nothing but a square or rectangle. obviously both of them are mistaken because of two reasons. first, they didn't came close to the pyramid and secondly they came to the conclusion too quickly. the same thing happened here.
1. i told that most muslims don't actually know the real meaning of the Quran and so people here came to the conclusion that most muslims are misguided away from the Quran. two things should be informed here. first, the Quranic rules and second, the muslim society.
the Quranic rules: Quran and the life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is considered as the solution to the mankind. its a complete code of life. every single thing that human being can think about is guided by the Quran and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). the muslims should live their life by Quran and Sunnah. we learn how to deal with other people, parents, wife or anyone else. we learn how to do a business. we learn the dress codes for men, women and kids. we learn how to keep our beard, hears, nails or anything. we learn how to maintain the physical relation with our wives. we learn how or what to eat, drink or anything you can imagine. even the dreams that we have in the night is discussed about in Islam. islam is not just five times prayer a day, fasting in the month of ramadan or other type of worships only. it teaches us how to lead our lives in this earth so that when we would stand infront of Allah in the afterlife, we can receive forgiveness from Allah and He rewards us in the paradise.
the Muslim society: there are three types of rules for the muslims if i categorize: a)Halal-Haram, b) Mas'ala and c) Fatwa. in the muslim countries like the Arab lands, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afganistan and others we got Mosques in every areas and Halal-Haram is discussed in the mosques so much that more than 99% of the muslim population around the world know about it. Halal means permitted and Haram means prohibited. if you ask any muslim from anywhere around the globe whether alcohold is permitted or prohibited in islam, he/she would definitely tell you that it is prohibited.
secondly Mas'ala tells us how to do anything. in the muslim lands normally all the kids learn how to pray, how to behave with parents, elders or others in their childhood in schools or at home from their parents or elders. now we have books for Mas'ala in almost every language. but some rules people fail to realize without guidance, they need to do some practical works to realize those. as i mentioned previously, islam is not just to pray, it deals with every human steps. and you can't learn swimming just reading the book.
thirdly, Fatwa is critical. the change of time changes the lifestyle of human beings. something suitable in the 7th century may not be acceptable in the 21st century. but Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) prophesized what would happen till the day of judgment and made guidelines. only the certified and highest Scholars of Islam got the right to prescribe Fatwa for us. the do this from the signs of Quran and sayings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
now i give you the real conclusion. most muslims around the world know about Halal-Haram, some follow, some not, its their choice. Mas'ala people can get from books, but sometimes they make mistakes. they should go to our scholars to get some practical knowledge. again here, some follow, some not, its their choice. Fatwa should be very carefully deal with our supreme scholars, some follow, some not, its their choice.
1. i told that most muslims don't actually know the real meaning of the Quran and so people here came to the conclusion that most muslims are misguided away from the Quran. two things should be informed here. first, the Quranic rules and second, the muslim society.
the Quranic rules: Quran and the life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is considered as the solution to the mankind. its a complete code of life. every single thing that human being can think about is guided by the Quran and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). the muslims should live their life by Quran and Sunnah. we learn how to deal with other people, parents, wife or anyone else. we learn how to do a business. we learn the dress codes for men, women and kids. we learn how to keep our beard, hears, nails or anything. we learn how to maintain the physical relation with our wives. we learn how or what to eat, drink or anything you can imagine. even the dreams that we have in the night is discussed about in Islam. islam is not just five times prayer a day, fasting in the month of ramadan or other type of worships only. it teaches us how to lead our lives in this earth so that when we would stand infront of Allah in the afterlife, we can receive forgiveness from Allah and He rewards us in the paradise.
the Muslim society: there are three types of rules for the muslims if i categorize: a)Halal-Haram, b) Mas'ala and c) Fatwa. in the muslim countries like the Arab lands, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afganistan and others we got Mosques in every areas and Halal-Haram is discussed in the mosques so much that more than 99% of the muslim population around the world know about it. Halal means permitted and Haram means prohibited. if you ask any muslim from anywhere around the globe whether alcohold is permitted or prohibited in islam, he/she would definitely tell you that it is prohibited.
secondly Mas'ala tells us how to do anything. in the muslim lands normally all the kids learn how to pray, how to behave with parents, elders or others in their childhood in schools or at home from their parents or elders. now we have books for Mas'ala in almost every language. but some rules people fail to realize without guidance, they need to do some practical works to realize those. as i mentioned previously, islam is not just to pray, it deals with every human steps. and you can't learn swimming just reading the book.
thirdly, Fatwa is critical. the change of time changes the lifestyle of human beings. something suitable in the 7th century may not be acceptable in the 21st century. but Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) prophesized what would happen till the day of judgment and made guidelines. only the certified and highest Scholars of Islam got the right to prescribe Fatwa for us. the do this from the signs of Quran and sayings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
now i give you the real conclusion. most muslims around the world know about Halal-Haram, some follow, some not, its their choice. Mas'ala people can get from books, but sometimes they make mistakes. they should go to our scholars to get some practical knowledge. again here, some follow, some not, its their choice. Fatwa should be very carefully deal with our supreme scholars, some follow, some not, its their choice.
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mak_uits: someone looked at the pyramid shape from far, it might look to him as a triangle and he came to a conclusion that pyramid is nothing but a triangle. another person looked at the base and came to a conclusion that pyramid is nothing but a square or rectangle. obviously both of them are mistaken because of two reasons. first, they didn't came close to the pyramid and secondly they came to the conclusion too quickly. the same thing happened here.
1. i told that most muslims don't actually know the real meaning of the Quran and so people here came to the conclusion that most muslims are misguided away from the Quran. two things should be informed here. first, the Quranic rules and second, the muslim society.
the Quranic rules: Quran and the life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is considered as the solution to the mankind. its a complete code of life. every single thing that human being can think about is guided by the Quran and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). the muslims should live their life by Quran and Sunnah. we learn how to deal with other people, parents, wife or anyone else. we learn how to do a business. we learn the dress codes for men, women and kids. we learn how to keep our beard, hears, nails or anything. we learn how to maintain the physical relation with our wives. we learn how or what to eat, drink or anything you can imagine. even the dreams that we have in the night is discussed about in Islam. islam is not just five times prayer a day, fasting in the month of ramadan or other type of worships only. it teaches us how to lead our lives in this earth so that when we would stand infront of Allah in the afterlife, we can receive forgiveness from Allah and He rewards us in the paradise.
the Muslim society: there are three types of rules for the muslims if i categorize: a)Halal-Haram, b) Mas'ala and c) Fatwa. in the muslim countries like the Arab lands, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afganistan and others we got Mosques in every areas and Halal-Haram is discussed in the mosques so much that more than 99% of the muslim population around the world know about it. Halal means permitted and Haram means prohibited. if you ask any muslim from anywhere around the globe whether alcohold is permitted or prohibited in islam, he/she would definitely tell you that it is prohibited.
secondly Mas'ala tells us how to do anything. in the muslim lands normally all the kids learn how to pray, how to behave with parents, elders or others in their childhood in schools or at home from their parents or elders. now we have books for Mas'ala in almost every language. but some rules people fail to realize without guidance, they need to do some practical works to realize those. as i mentioned previously, islam is not just to pray, it deals with every human steps. and you can't learn swimming just reading the book.
thirdly, Fatwa is critical. the change of time changes the lifestyle of human beings. something suitable in the 7th century may not be acceptable in the 21st century. but Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) prophesized what would happen till the day of judgment and made guidelines. only the certified and highest Scholars of Islam got the right to prescribe Fatwa for us. the do this from the signs of Quran and sayings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
now i give you the real conclusion. most muslims around the world know about Halal-Haram, some follow, some not, its their choice. Mas'ala people can get from books, but sometimes they make mistakes. they should go to our scholars to get some practical knowledge. again here, some follow, some not, its their choice. Fatwa should be very carefully deal with our supreme scholars, some follow, some not, its their choice.
1. i told that most muslims don't actually know the real meaning of the Quran and so people here came to the conclusion that most muslims are misguided away from the Quran. two things should be informed here. first, the Quranic rules and second, the muslim society.
the Quranic rules: Quran and the life of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) is considered as the solution to the mankind. its a complete code of life. every single thing that human being can think about is guided by the Quran and Prophet Muhammad (PBUH). the muslims should live their life by Quran and Sunnah. we learn how to deal with other people, parents, wife or anyone else. we learn how to do a business. we learn the dress codes for men, women and kids. we learn how to keep our beard, hears, nails or anything. we learn how to maintain the physical relation with our wives. we learn how or what to eat, drink or anything you can imagine. even the dreams that we have in the night is discussed about in Islam. islam is not just five times prayer a day, fasting in the month of ramadan or other type of worships only. it teaches us how to lead our lives in this earth so that when we would stand infront of Allah in the afterlife, we can receive forgiveness from Allah and He rewards us in the paradise.
the Muslim society: there are three types of rules for the muslims if i categorize: a)Halal-Haram, b) Mas'ala and c) Fatwa. in the muslim countries like the Arab lands, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Afganistan and others we got Mosques in every areas and Halal-Haram is discussed in the mosques so much that more than 99% of the muslim population around the world know about it. Halal means permitted and Haram means prohibited. if you ask any muslim from anywhere around the globe whether alcohold is permitted or prohibited in islam, he/she would definitely tell you that it is prohibited.
secondly Mas'ala tells us how to do anything. in the muslim lands normally all the kids learn how to pray, how to behave with parents, elders or others in their childhood in schools or at home from their parents or elders. now we have books for Mas'ala in almost every language. but some rules people fail to realize without guidance, they need to do some practical works to realize those. as i mentioned previously, islam is not just to pray, it deals with every human steps. and you can't learn swimming just reading the book.
thirdly, Fatwa is critical. the change of time changes the lifestyle of human beings. something suitable in the 7th century may not be acceptable in the 21st century. but Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) prophesized what would happen till the day of judgment and made guidelines. only the certified and highest Scholars of Islam got the right to prescribe Fatwa for us. the do this from the signs of Quran and sayings of Prophet Muhammad (PBUH).
now i give you the real conclusion. most muslims around the world know about Halal-Haram, some follow, some not, its their choice. Mas'ala people can get from books, but sometimes they make mistakes. they should go to our scholars to get some practical knowledge. again here, some follow, some not, its their choice. Fatwa should be very carefully deal with our supreme scholars, some follow, some not, its their choice.
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Let me say first, that I read through all the posts, and now I am replying to it
I watched the video This is your argument. A guy standing there, and saying how he found god. Not really an argument if you ask me Especially comparing with science of evolution for example Sorry mate, you need to do better then this
Oh and you referring to original Quran scriptures, in the end, they are still man made, with out absolutely any research and science. A nice fairy tale book, the same as the bible I admit, there are some positive teachings there to guide people but hey also fairy tales are written in order to teach some moral value or other One could easily see that red riding hood could be used as a holly book too with the right “promotion and propaganda machine behind it”
stringman
I did watch your video on the 5th page of this thread, not really an Argument, what the guy is saying is that even if one don't believe in god, and one is seeking the “truth”, that one is really seeking god. What a nice way to twist words. He is a good preacher, has a way with words. But one has to really listen to hear how he is turning things around. One more thing, the easiest way not to answer a question is answering it with a question. Turning the attention in to the field where one can then play with words, and make you even forget what you asked. The guy in my opinion does not have a point at all. HE did not answer the question
Nicely Put - - - - I AGREE
Tell me exactly where this is written in Quran. Give me the link please . . . . . I can write also what I want, with out showing stating exact source. How many of peeps here do you think will read the book to see if what you are saying is truth.
Maxmate1
Your questions have been answered many times, why not everyone who don't agree with you answer them, is cos they WERE answered by other posters, who did take the time to write you. But even thou you “listen / read” you do not “hear / understand”. But I think, from your style of writing, that you simply enjoy conflict, you don't even read the answers. Besides, what ever answer you would get, it would not satisfy you. So why waste time and energy answering you on questions, you received answers many times. As for TIME SCALE, according to holy books, time scale of how god created the world and everything in it is up to 10000 years. This alone debunks all the claims about god. As it is scientifically proven, that life on earth is millions of years old. We have not only evolution as proof of it, we have also archaeological evidence for it.
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mak_uits: My dear atheist friends, please check this link, what this atheist person says about God
I watched the video This is your argument. A guy standing there, and saying how he found god. Not really an argument if you ask me Especially comparing with science of evolution for example Sorry mate, you need to do better then this
Oh and you referring to original Quran scriptures, in the end, they are still man made, with out absolutely any research and science. A nice fairy tale book, the same as the bible I admit, there are some positive teachings there to guide people but hey also fairy tales are written in order to teach some moral value or other One could easily see that red riding hood could be used as a holly book too with the right “promotion and propaganda machine behind it”
stringman
I did watch your video on the 5th page of this thread, not really an Argument, what the guy is saying is that even if one don't believe in god, and one is seeking the “truth”, that one is really seeking god. What a nice way to twist words. He is a good preacher, has a way with words. But one has to really listen to hear how he is turning things around. One more thing, the easiest way not to answer a question is answering it with a question. Turning the attention in to the field where one can then play with words, and make you even forget what you asked. The guy in my opinion does not have a point at all. HE did not answer the question
AgentAjax: You the religious must ask yourself if the beauty of god creates all this rivalry, perhaps than there is beauty in the idea of god.
There is a reason why people stopped living in woods and caves and throwing child virgins of cliffs to please gods. I think you people now have to evolve that little bit further and stop throwing your lives, the lives of your children for the same foolish ideology.
There is a reason why people stopped living in woods and caves and throwing child virgins of cliffs to please gods. I think you people now have to evolve that little bit further and stop throwing your lives, the lives of your children for the same foolish ideology.
Nicely Put - - - - I AGREE
mak_uits:
4. some said about the science that existed before the time of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). yes, i agree. but if you check the history of science it was not the time when people knew about the embryo, water cycle and all the scientific proofs that Quran provides. if you check the culture of the people of Macca at the time of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH), they were far away from the civilization. a man from barbaric nation of the deserts of Macca can't have the knowledge of science and without any mistakes.
4. some said about the science that existed before the time of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH). yes, i agree. but if you check the history of science it was not the time when people knew about the embryo, water cycle and all the scientific proofs that Quran provides. if you check the culture of the people of Macca at the time of Prophet Muhammad(PBUH), they were far away from the civilization. a man from barbaric nation of the deserts of Macca can't have the knowledge of science and without any mistakes.
Tell me exactly where this is written in Quran. Give me the link please . . . . . I can write also what I want, with out showing stating exact source. How many of peeps here do you think will read the book to see if what you are saying is truth.
pedro27: 90% of humans believe in a higher being
According to who? Was there any research made on the subject?Maxmate1
Your questions have been answered many times, why not everyone who don't agree with you answer them, is cos they WERE answered by other posters, who did take the time to write you. But even thou you “listen / read” you do not “hear / understand”. But I think, from your style of writing, that you simply enjoy conflict, you don't even read the answers. Besides, what ever answer you would get, it would not satisfy you. So why waste time and energy answering you on questions, you received answers many times. As for TIME SCALE, according to holy books, time scale of how god created the world and everything in it is up to 10000 years. This alone debunks all the claims about god. As it is scientifically proven, that life on earth is millions of years old. We have not only evolution as proof of it, we have also archaeological evidence for it.
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patmac: You forget the story of Noah and his families actions after the flood...They built that infamous Tower Of Babel and as we all know to stop them GOD made them all speak in different tongues.
The old testaments theory on language.
So Language was not made by man but by God.
Total nonsense of course but the religious folk would use this to argue against your point on Languages.
All the Holy books are man made like all religions are man made..We have had hundreds of GODS and yet we denied so many and they lost out to new ones. Now show me any logic in that.
The old testaments theory on language.
So Language was not made by man but by God.
Total nonsense of course but the religious folk would use this to argue against your point on Languages.
All the Holy books are man made like all religions are man made..We have had hundreds of GODS and yet we denied so many and they lost out to new ones. Now show me any logic in that.
Very nice I AGREE . . . . .
To conclude - - - - - All religions are man made, all holly books are man written, and to say one is better then the other is arrogant, presumptuous hypocrisy that I despise to the core. Faith in what ever deity some people have, and are not blinded by religious brain washing. I can respect that. But when someone starts showing a holly book down my throat, saying that god said this and that. I lose respect for them. The more they are religious ( brain washed ), less respect I have for them. I have a friend, who has Faith, he is a good man, who actually uses his head .- - - - - He believes in god, and has special relationship with it. But he does it with respect to others and with the fact, that goodness comes from heart and soul, and not from any book that needs to threaten people in order for them to do the right thing. Religion is obsolete concept, that needs to step aside in order for humanity to advance in all aspects towards unity and peace.
Of course there are many other things that need to be changed, but as this is a religious thread I left them out. But religion is in big part to be blamed for everything that is happening around the world today.
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mak_uits: the atheist people tries to describe the creation of this earth and all the living beings as a natural process. they take the support from the theories of Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking. first of all they don't know the difference between law and theories, may be. theories are nothing but some ideas with facts that could not be physically proved. theories changes in time. if the creation of this earth was natural process, how the life of the animals initiated? natural processes are chemical reactions, cell divisions and formations if i summarize. but these can't create a human mind. when the embryo develops inside the womb of a mother, the first four months is for cell developments, formation of bones and flash. and after four months suddenly it starts moving. it proves the existence of God. our body is nothing but carbohydrate compounds. if we could divide it to molecular level these are simply Hydrogen, carbon and others. when a person dies normally everything remain as it was, only the spirit goes back to God. its not a chemical reaction or anything that could be proved by a equation or physics or anything. its something beyond science, beyond human being, its the power of God.
my dear atheist friends, please check this link, what this atheist person says about God
my dear atheist friends, please check this link, what this atheist person says about God
Well, you have the same problem as the atheists I think. You are both profoundly convinced, and you have your theories that builds on ideas, laws, or both. But both of you appear rather silly to me, trying to debunk each other, and convince the counterpart who is right.
That, to me, is a sign that people don't know what they talk about :)
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What are atheist thinking by using evidence to kill the stupidity of the flat earth theory. 
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AgentAjax: What are atheist thinking by using evidence to kill the stupidity of the flat earth theory.
Hmm, I'm not sure Pythagoras or Aristotle were atheists to be honest, both of them claimed the earth was round. And while Europe descended into the dark ages, the Muslims also took for granted by the year 900 that the earth was round. Later on, we mistakenly attributed the discovery to Copernicus, but I'm not sure any of them was atheists. So yeah, what are people thinking
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mak_uits: the atheist people tries to describe the creation of this earth and all the living beings as a natural process. they take the support from the theories of Albert Einstein and Stephen Hawking. first of all they don't know the difference between law and theories, may be. theories are nothing but some ideas with facts that could not be physically proved. theories changes in time. if the creation of this earth was natural process, how the life of the animals initiated? natural processes are chemical reactions, cell divisions and formations if i summarize. but these can't create a human mind. when the embryo develops inside the womb of a mother, the first four months is for cell developments, formation of bones and flash. and after four months suddenly it starts moving. it proves the existence of God. our body is nothing but carbohydrate compounds. if we could divide it to molecular level these are simply Hydrogen, carbon and others. when a person dies normally everything remain as it was, only the spirit goes back to God. its not a chemical reaction or anything that could be proved by a equation or physics or anything. its something beyond science, beyond human being, its the power of God.
my dear atheist friends, please check this link, what this atheist person says about God
my dear atheist friends, please check this link, what this atheist person says about God
Einstein recognized that there is a Mystery to existence. He said that those who can not see the Mystery are truly blind. No one knows what there was before the big bang or what that took place in. No one knows what the universe is expanding in or what makes life alive. Yes there is the Mystery. Can something that has no limits like eternity actually exist. It is a miracle that, "it"?, does. it would be a miracle if,"it"?, did not.
Science has been busy discovering truths within the mystery and yes there are scientists who would make a religion of science.
What religion has done with the mystery is downright evil and immoral.
It has used this this mystery to scare people from the moment of birth to the end of their lives with all kinds of nonsense for the purpose of power and control.
Atheists have rejected the evils and nonsense of religion and live their lives in peace.
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And that includes Islam. So the fact is they were all written by MAN.
Nowyou may or not believe these men who wrote the books are in some way special or divine or even a "prophet" but that is and always will be a belief. Fact is all the writers and translators were MEN and like all men fallible and biased....So I make no statement on any belief of any religion just the fact the books were written by MEN.
Yeah!! If WOMEN had written them, that would be a different story!!