What will most help prevent poverty and homelessness. (68)
none of the above......leave the E.U.....which we never voted for...and spend the £536.000.ooo.we spend eah week paying them...to be spent in Britain....would be a good start.........jmo.
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RainComeShine: I can hardly believe how working conditions have changed. Soon there will be no family life in the UK.
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all those choices are more for poverty than actually homelessness.
some of the homeless need basic help, slowly but surely and carefully as there are various reasons for being homeless. Some have had good jobs etc and just couldn't cope with the rat race of life.
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truheart1941: none of the above......leave the E.U.....which we never voted for...and spend the £536.000.ooo.we spend eah week paying them...to be spent in Britain....would be a good start.........jmo.
hi tru! Oh go on, be a European! 
I watched a programme recently on RTE about a musical director starting up a choir in Dublin and Waterford with homeless people and it would break you heart some of the stories but make you feel good also at the good it did some of them. They were called The High Hopes choir.
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Out of your options, I'd say the first one.
It's really hard to get even the 16, or 30 hour contracts necessary to claim tax credits so people have the minimum needed to live.
There are so many companies who offer temporary contracts for under 12 hours and expect employees to keep the rest of the week free to be able to do those hours at the company's beck and call.
The trouble is, realistic employment rights and liveable wages wouldn't be nearly so profitable for big business, including the government.
I'm guessing the government gets way more tax revenue from big business profits (even taking into account tax credit losses), than they would if companies paid a survivable wage which would be so low as to be reasonably untaxable.
It's really hard to get even the 16, or 30 hour contracts necessary to claim tax credits so people have the minimum needed to live.
There are so many companies who offer temporary contracts for under 12 hours and expect employees to keep the rest of the week free to be able to do those hours at the company's beck and call.
The trouble is, realistic employment rights and liveable wages wouldn't be nearly so profitable for big business, including the government.
I'm guessing the government gets way more tax revenue from big business profits (even taking into account tax credit losses), than they would if companies paid a survivable wage which would be so low as to be reasonably untaxable.
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The nuclear family or the state.
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All homeless people have different problems and needs, so can't be treated as one entity.
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minnieme2: hi tru! Oh go on, be a European!
I watched a programme recently on RTE about a musical director starting up a choir in Dublin and Waterford with homeless people and it would break you heart some of the stories but make you feel good also at the good it did some of them. They were called The High Hopes choir.
hi nope i,m not a European....i,m British....and proud of it....as you are being Irish....proud of it.......if they want this county come and fight for it......I watched a programme recently on RTE about a musical director starting up a choir in Dublin and Waterford with homeless people and it would break you heart some of the stories but make you feel good also at the good it did some of them. They were called The High Hopes choir.
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truheart1941: hi nope i,m not a European....i,m British....and proud of it....as you are being Irish....proud of it.......if they want this county come and fight for it...... huh.
Oh yeah Irish and proud of it. But also European, geographically at least!
Ssssh, Angela (Merkel) thinks we're working!
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I went to a High School in a rough part of NYC, the South Bronx. The school was named after a major labor leader, Samuel Gompers. Across the front of the school were carved in stone these words spoken by the schools namesake:
HE WHO HATH A TRADE HATH AN ESTATE
These words were to be my guiding credo and I decided that this statement made so much sense that I was determined that I would learn a trade or 2 or 3 and everybody should have a trade of some kind which they could always fall back on should their ambitious dreams fail to materialize.
The problem is in many places including America, this simple motto has been all but forgotten in favor of liberal arts and other academic degrees. In my life I've had people working for me with college degrees whos job description included taking out the trash and sweeping the floor. They could recite Shakespere but they were unable to weld 2 pieces of metal together or rebuild an engine.
HE WHO HATH A TRADE HATH AN ESTATE
These words were to be my guiding credo and I decided that this statement made so much sense that I was determined that I would learn a trade or 2 or 3 and everybody should have a trade of some kind which they could always fall back on should their ambitious dreams fail to materialize.
The problem is in many places including America, this simple motto has been all but forgotten in favor of liberal arts and other academic degrees. In my life I've had people working for me with college degrees whos job description included taking out the trash and sweeping the floor. They could recite Shakespere but they were unable to weld 2 pieces of metal together or rebuild an engine.
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minnieme2: all those choices are more for poverty than actually homelessness.
some of the homeless need basic help, slowly but surely and carefully as there are various reasons for being homeless. Some have had good jobs etc and just couldn't cope with the rat race of life.
I agree, so what constitutes a good job that isn't part of the rat race?some of the homeless need basic help, slowly but surely and carefully as there are various reasons for being homeless. Some have had good jobs etc and just couldn't cope with the rat race of life.
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minnieme2: hi tru! Oh go on, be a European!
I watched a programme recently on RTE about a musical director starting up a choir in Dublin and Waterford with homeless people and it would break you heart some of the stories but make you feel good also at the good it did some of them. They were called The High Hopes choir.
High Hopes Choir. Escapism and true team work that isn't competitive. I watched a programme recently on RTE about a musical director starting up a choir in Dublin and Waterford with homeless people and it would break you heart some of the stories but make you feel good also at the good it did some of them. They were called The High Hopes choir.
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ooby_dooby: I went to a High School in a rough part of NYC, the South Bronx. The school was named after a major labor leader, Samuel Gompers. Across the front of the school were carved in stone these words spoken by the schools namesake:
HE WHO HATH A TRADE HATH AN ESTATE
These words were to be my guiding credo and I decided that this statement made so much sense that I was determined that I would learn a trade or 2 or 3 and everybody should have a trade of some kind which they could always fall back on should their ambitious dreams fail to materialize.
The problem is in many places including America, this simple motto has been all but forgotten in favor of liberal arts and other academic degrees. In my life I've had people working for me with college degrees whos job description included taking out the trash and sweeping the floor. They could recite Shakespere but they were unable to weld 2 pieces of metal together or rebuild an engine.
You're so right in my opinion. I have a trade and it's been my saviour and the envy of many a struggling Acidemic.HE WHO HATH A TRADE HATH AN ESTATE
These words were to be my guiding credo and I decided that this statement made so much sense that I was determined that I would learn a trade or 2 or 3 and everybody should have a trade of some kind which they could always fall back on should their ambitious dreams fail to materialize.
The problem is in many places including America, this simple motto has been all but forgotten in favor of liberal arts and other academic degrees. In my life I've had people working for me with college degrees whos job description included taking out the trash and sweeping the floor. They could recite Shakespere but they were unable to weld 2 pieces of metal together or rebuild an engine.
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mollybaby: All homeless people have different problems and needs, so can't be treated as one entity.
That is also very true but in my city homelessness doubled in the last 12months so something relevant must be happening here. Or maybe something is not happening?? 
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Our little Planet is in trouble,it can not take 7 billion people and there are coming more all the time.....without reducing childbirth in China,they could had never survive....here again is the Religions a big reason for problems,in this case supporting overpopulation.
Rolf
Rolf
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Total global thermonuclear war. Also good, the sun going Nova, an asteroid strike, etc.
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RainComeShine: I agree, so what constitutes a good job that isn't part of the rat race?
All of us workers are part of the rat race really, especially those in cities and big towns. You get up, have breakfast (or not for some!), go to work, come and go in traffic and pedestrian paths and come home in the evening again in the traffic etc.. It's life but it can get too much for some and they end up falling by the wayside and homeless.
A good job is a job that pays your bills and leaves something for yourself even if it's small. If it's a job you enjoy, then it's better again. A good job that's not in the rat race is rare! All jobs require getting up and going to them, doing what's necessary in the job, day after day.
If you're rich (either by inheritance or otherwise) you may not have to work, unless you want to.
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RainComeShine: I can hardly believe how working conditions have changed. Soon there will be no family life in the UK.
What is the answer?
What is the answer?
and the carpenter came with a sledge-hammer
and crushed everyone head
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Having worked in the homeless arena for the last 13 years and in public service for 30 there is no simple answer, no simple solution, no quick fix.
It takes a lot of strategies and efforts in policy changes and implementation.
Separate poverty from homelessness first in tackling the issues.
Homelessness is any ordinary folk (really)
People who are living in a place not meant for human habitation, in emergency shelter, in transitional housing, or are exiting an institution where they temporarily resided. The only significant change from existing practice is that people will be considered homeless if they are exiting an institution where they resided for up to 90 days (it was previously 30 days), and were in shelter or a place not meant for human habitation immediately prior to entering that institution.
People who are losing their primary nighttime residence, which may include a motel or hotel or a doubled up situation, within 14 days and lack resources or support networks to remain in housing. HUD had previously allowed people who were being displaced within 7 days to be considered homeless. The proposed regulation also describes specific documentation requirements for this category.
Families with children or unaccompanied youth who are unstably housed and likely to continue in that state. This is a new category of homelessness, and it applies to families with children or unaccompanied youth who have not had a lease or ownership interest in a housing unit in the last 60 or more days, have had two or more moves in the last 60 days, and who are likely to continue to be unstably housed because of disability or multiple barriers to employment.
People who are fleeing or attempting to flee domestic violence, have no other residence, and lack the resources or support networks to obtain other permanent housing. This category is similar to the current practice regarding people who are fleeing domestic violence.
It takes a lot of strategies and efforts in policy changes and implementation.
Separate poverty from homelessness first in tackling the issues.
Homelessness is any ordinary folk (really)
People who are living in a place not meant for human habitation, in emergency shelter, in transitional housing, or are exiting an institution where they temporarily resided. The only significant change from existing practice is that people will be considered homeless if they are exiting an institution where they resided for up to 90 days (it was previously 30 days), and were in shelter or a place not meant for human habitation immediately prior to entering that institution.
People who are losing their primary nighttime residence, which may include a motel or hotel or a doubled up situation, within 14 days and lack resources or support networks to remain in housing. HUD had previously allowed people who were being displaced within 7 days to be considered homeless. The proposed regulation also describes specific documentation requirements for this category.
Families with children or unaccompanied youth who are unstably housed and likely to continue in that state. This is a new category of homelessness, and it applies to families with children or unaccompanied youth who have not had a lease or ownership interest in a housing unit in the last 60 or more days, have had two or more moves in the last 60 days, and who are likely to continue to be unstably housed because of disability or multiple barriers to employment.
People who are fleeing or attempting to flee domestic violence, have no other residence, and lack the resources or support networks to obtain other permanent housing. This category is similar to the current practice regarding people who are fleeing domestic violence.
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You cannot PREVENT poverty or homelessness - you can only provide doors to open into self sufficiency and housing.
On any given day people lose their jobs, can't pay for housing, it is a continual up and down, cycle of human industry. Businesses go out of business, and as we have seen banks fail, or get bailouts, or an industry is no longer needed or is replaced with new technology, or just a poor business person. We have families that must support large number of children who need to be fed, clothed and educated to get ahead. We have people who can no longer work (elderly) who lost their pensions, or had it stolen.....
We are in the age of technology, the age of information. Does that mean we don't still have hunters and gatherers, farms and farmers, factories or factory workers? Yes, yes and yes. It is a continual effort for the individual to find their way in the work world - there are more than one way to be employed.
On any given day people lose their jobs, can't pay for housing, it is a continual up and down, cycle of human industry. Businesses go out of business, and as we have seen banks fail, or get bailouts, or an industry is no longer needed or is replaced with new technology, or just a poor business person. We have families that must support large number of children who need to be fed, clothed and educated to get ahead. We have people who can no longer work (elderly) who lost their pensions, or had it stolen.....
We are in the age of technology, the age of information. Does that mean we don't still have hunters and gatherers, farms and farmers, factories or factory workers? Yes, yes and yes. It is a continual effort for the individual to find their way in the work world - there are more than one way to be employed.
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Some kaláshnikov
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Huitzilopochtli: Some kaláshnikov
gosh and it's worked sooooooo well for Mexico hasn't it?
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JeanKimberley: gosh and it's worked sooooooo well for Mexico hasn't it?
No ma'am, I'm afraid you are misinformed; for that in Mexico we have to the financial and bankers of Wall Street and The Mille.
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Huitzilopochtli: No ma'am, I'm afraid you are misinformed; for that in Mexico we have to the financial and bankers of Wall Street and The Mille.
What's the Mille?
I do understand how "thankful" we are for Wall Street and the stinking politicians and evil corporations that suck the life blood out of the working people.
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Obstinance_Works: But it's not all doom and gloom as life in general gets easier as time goes on. We do need to redress the balance of how we live as is no way can we sustain the conditions and lifestyles the baby boomers are used to given our current output.
But like I say life gets easier over time. The future where the West is beneath the East will not be a complete hell. Just because our elders have regressed the nation from a developed country into a developing country is not the end of things, the lifestyle in a developing Britain of say 2030 will be comparable to the lifestyle of developed Britain 1980. I very much doubt my generation will do a GI generation and restore us to what we were and more, but we may be able to stop the rot and level off with a future standard of living equal to somewhere like a future Poland(at best).
But that is less of an answer and more of a prediction.But like I say life gets easier over time. The future where the West is beneath the East will not be a complete hell. Just because our elders have regressed the nation from a developed country into a developing country is not the end of things, the lifestyle in a developing Britain of say 2030 will be comparable to the lifestyle of developed Britain 1980. I very much doubt my generation will do a GI generation and restore us to what we were and more, but we may be able to stop the rot and level off with a future standard of living equal to somewhere like a future Poland(at best).
Yes we are victims of our own historic ideals and that will always be the case. I brought my children up to understand that you can never buy or borrow what you're not able, absolutely, to pay back ie by selling something or because it's truly guaranteed from some other source. Before long 'guarantee' will disappear from the dictionary.
Every 13yrs we are told to expect a recession of sorts. It wasn't that long ago when we were told that we'd have to share our jobs and we'd all be working far less hours, then computer technology introduced jobs beyond all expectation and saved the day(or did it) The next stage will be Automation taking over our jobs. But watch this space as global warming or a cultural war could see us all needing the old fashioned survival skills and how many of us will be armed with them.
I hope we can see the importance of what we should do now or we'll be going down the same bloody road.
I'd like to think that equality will come one day. We're becoming more subservient and politically correct but at the same time egotistical and corrupt. Most of the poll choices would help I'm sure and votes are proving that so in future I guess the only way we can make constructive and fair decisions is to educate our children in the value of family support (not financial), truthful economics and constructive, survival techniques.
Mad Max always comes to mind. lol
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JeanKimberley: You cannot PREVENT poverty or homelessness - you can only provide doors to open into self sufficiency and housing.
On any given day people lose their jobs, can't pay for housing, it is a continual up and down, cycle of human industry. Businesses go out of business, and as we have seen banks fail, or get bailouts, or an industry is no longer needed or is replaced with new technology, or just a poor business person. We have families that must support large number of children who need to be fed, clothed and educated to get ahead. We have people who can no longer work (elderly) who lost their pensions, or had it stolen..... We are in the age of technology, the age of information. Does that mean we don't still have hunters and gatherers, farms and farmers, factories or factory workers? Yes, yes and yes. It is a continual effort for the individual to find their way in the work world - there are more than one way to be employed.
When someone has been homeless and living rough they will know there are no set reasons why a person finds themselves in this position. People who become traumatised will find it impossible to do 'the hard work' you mentioned.On any given day people lose their jobs, can't pay for housing, it is a continual up and down, cycle of human industry. Businesses go out of business, and as we have seen banks fail, or get bailouts, or an industry is no longer needed or is replaced with new technology, or just a poor business person. We have families that must support large number of children who need to be fed, clothed and educated to get ahead. We have people who can no longer work (elderly) who lost their pensions, or had it stolen..... We are in the age of technology, the age of information. Does that mean we don't still have hunters and gatherers, farms and farmers, factories or factory workers? Yes, yes and yes. It is a continual effort for the individual to find their way in the work world - there are more than one way to be employed.
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Poll: What will most help prevent poverty and homelessness.
The question is how to prevent it, not ending it.
I just hope you are not a Doctor because for a head ache you might recommend:
cut your head
and then the headache is gone,
Ken_19: Total global thermonuclear war. Also good, the sun going Nova, an asteroid strike, etc.
The question is how to prevent it, not ending it.
I just hope you are not a Doctor because for a head ache you might recommend:
cut your head
and then the headache is gone,
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There is no way to end all these things , because there are too many variables throughout Society, and each one has its own hurdle to overcome. Especially in 3rd world economically poor countries, where the governments and other Criminal hoard moneys for their own agendas and lifestyles 
Everyone has problems, some more than others, and some that have made that choice to live on welfare or in the streets
So there is no silver bullet, as there is no silver bullet to end Cancer
I believe that they are both in the same. A Plague, A Cancer eating away at the body of humanity, until death occurs.
Someone has to lose for someone to win, The Key is to create Balance so both may live in Harmony, But in this world of Competition there isn't enough to go around , no matter how ingenuous someone is, only the very lucky will rise above,
Its all about the luck of the draw of existence. Some get a break, Some never will
Everyone has problems, some more than others, and some that have made that choice to live on welfare or in the streets
So there is no silver bullet, as there is no silver bullet to end Cancer
I believe that they are both in the same. A Plague, A Cancer eating away at the body of humanity, until death occurs.
Someone has to lose for someone to win, The Key is to create Balance so both may live in Harmony, But in this world of Competition there isn't enough to go around , no matter how ingenuous someone is, only the very lucky will rise above,
Its all about the luck of the draw of existence. Some get a break, Some never will
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LoveRanger52: There is no way to end all these things , because there are too many variables throughout Society, and each one has its own hurdle to overcome. Especially in 3rd world economically poor countries, where the governments and other Criminal hoard moneys for their own agendas and lifestyles
Everyone has problems, some more than others, and some that have made that choice to live on welfare or in the streets
So there is no silver bullet, as there is no silver bullet to end Cancer
I believe that they are both in the same. A Plague, A Cancer eating away at the body of humanity, until death occurs.
Someone has to lose for someone to win, The Key is to create Balance so both may live in Harmony, But in this world of Competition there isn't enough to go around , no matter how ingenuous someone is, only the very lucky will rise above,
Its all about the luck of the draw of existence. Some get a break, Some never will
Ok but what would help the most? Maybe the homeless person's relatives and children get taken on the same journey and that can't be right.Everyone has problems, some more than others, and some that have made that choice to live on welfare or in the streets
So there is no silver bullet, as there is no silver bullet to end Cancer
I believe that they are both in the same. A Plague, A Cancer eating away at the body of humanity, until death occurs.
Someone has to lose for someone to win, The Key is to create Balance so both may live in Harmony, But in this world of Competition there isn't enough to go around , no matter how ingenuous someone is, only the very lucky will rise above,
Its all about the luck of the draw of existence. Some get a break, Some never will
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RainComeShine: When someone has been homeless and living rough they will know there are no set reasons why a person finds themselves in this position. People who become traumatised will find it impossible to do 'the hard work' you mentioned.
our programs don't support this theory - actually put someone in housing and you will find most folks rise to met the challenge.
Now if you are talking about those chronic individuals that have been on the streets for more than a year, or for 4 episodes over t3 years, then more support is provided then just housing - mental health treatment, removing the barriers that prevent them from being employed (documentation, credit history or criminal history, history of victimization) ....
Like I previously posted there is not a quick fix, an easy answer, or one solution.
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I doubt if there is a quick fix anywhere in the world in regards to poverty or homelessness.
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What will most help prevent poverty and homelessness.(Vote Below)
What is the answer?