Marine sentenced to life for killing in battle. (62)
tomcatwarne: A Royal Marine jailed for life for killing a Taliban insurgent was robbed of justice after crucial evidence was ‘deliberately withheld’ from his court martial, it is claimed today.
It meant Sergeant Alexander Blackman – believed to be the only British serviceman ever convicted of murder on the battlefield – was locked up as a ‘political scapegoat’ for failings by top brass, say supporters.
Today a campaign spearheaded by legendary thriller writer Frederick Forsyth is being launched to mount a fresh legal appeal to free Blackman.
The jailing of the veteran commando, known as ‘Marine A’ at his court martial in 2013, triggered a public outcry.
Now a painstaking Mail investigation can reveal:
Evidence that might have resulted in a lesser charge of manslaughter was ‘deliberately withheld’;
A high-flying colonel who was blocked from telling the truth to the court martial called it ‘a failure of moral courage by the chain of command’;
The colonel was so disgusted that he resigned his commission;
It meant Sergeant Alexander Blackman – believed to be the only British serviceman ever convicted of murder on the battlefield – was locked up as a ‘political scapegoat’ for failings by top brass, say supporters.
Today a campaign spearheaded by legendary thriller writer Frederick Forsyth is being launched to mount a fresh legal appeal to free Blackman.
The jailing of the veteran commando, known as ‘Marine A’ at his court martial in 2013, triggered a public outcry.
Now a painstaking Mail investigation can reveal:
Evidence that might have resulted in a lesser charge of manslaughter was ‘deliberately withheld’;
A high-flying colonel who was blocked from telling the truth to the court martial called it ‘a failure of moral courage by the chain of command’;
The colonel was so disgusted that he resigned his commission;
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tomcatwarne: A Royal Marine jailed for life for killing a Taliban insurgent was robbed of justice after crucial evidence was ‘deliberately withheld’ from his court martial, it is claimed today.
It meant Sergeant Alexander Blackman – believed to be the only British serviceman ever convicted of murder on the battlefield – was locked up as a ‘political scapegoat’ for failings by top brass, say supporters.
Today a campaign spearheaded by legendary thriller writer Frederick Forsyth is being launched to mount a fresh legal appeal to free Blackman.
The jailing of the veteran commando, known as ‘Marine A’ at his court martial in 2013, triggered a public outcry.
Now a painstaking Mail investigation can reveal:
Evidence that might have resulted in a lesser charge of manslaughter was ‘deliberately withheld’;
A high-flying colonel who was blocked from telling the truth to the court martial called it ‘a failure of moral courage by the chain of command’;
The colonel was so disgusted that he resigned his commission;
It meant Sergeant Alexander Blackman – believed to be the only British serviceman ever convicted of murder on the battlefield – was locked up as a ‘political scapegoat’ for failings by top brass, say supporters.
Today a campaign spearheaded by legendary thriller writer Frederick Forsyth is being launched to mount a fresh legal appeal to free Blackman.
The jailing of the veteran commando, known as ‘Marine A’ at his court martial in 2013, triggered a public outcry.
Now a painstaking Mail investigation can reveal:
Evidence that might have resulted in a lesser charge of manslaughter was ‘deliberately withheld’;
A high-flying colonel who was blocked from telling the truth to the court martial called it ‘a failure of moral courage by the chain of command’;
The colonel was so disgusted that he resigned his commission;
WTH? How can a marine be charged for killing someone in battle, especially if he is defending him/herself? Aren't marines trained to kill in battle?
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galrads: WTH? How can a marine be charged for killing someone in battle, especially if he is defending him/herself? Aren't marines trained to kill in battle?
He lost the appeal
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secretagent09: He lost the appealhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10848575/Marine-A-sentence-cut-by-two-years-as-he-loses-appeal-to-have-it-quashed.html
Thanks for the link, M. When things like this happen, makes me wonder how much longer people, at least here in the states, will volunteer for active duty in the armed services.
Seems like no one has their backs anymore and our POTUS wants to reduce benefits from existing retirees as well as limit when future service personnel can retire.
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secretagent09: He lost the appealhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/defence/10848575/Marine-A-sentence-cut-by-two-years-as-he-loses-appeal-to-have-it-quashed.html
He was under unimageanal stress his friend had just been blown to pieces a few minutes earlier in front of him, the Taliban would have horrendously tortured him and the killed him.
What do we expect of our lads trying to defend us???????
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tomcatwarne: What do we expect of our lads trying to defend us???????
We expect them to adhere to the Geneva convention.
tomcatwarne: He was under unimageanal stress his friend had just been blown to pieces a few minutes earlier in front of him...
Whilst I acknowledge combat stress, it's a bit tricky trying to claim diminished responsibility when you're actions have been recorded thus:
The_Telegraph: The killing of a badly wounded Taliban fighter was recorded on helmet camera and the footage showed the well respected marine shoot the victim in the chest at point blank range with his pistol.
After the shot he turned to his patrol and told them: "Obviously this doesn't go anywhere, fellas. I just broke the Geneva Convention."
After the shot he turned to his patrol and told them: "Obviously this doesn't go anywhere, fellas. I just broke the Geneva Convention."
(Sourced from SecretAgents citation: )
It would be inappropriate to reach a verdict of manslaughter due to diminished responsibility when immediately following the killing, Sgt Alexander Blackman made it clear he was cognisant of his wrong-doing.
Diminished responsibility was acknowledged however, and reflected in the 'life sentence' set at a minimum of eight years.
tomcatwarne: ...the Taliban would have horrendously tortured him and the killed him.
It's also pretty difficult to argue that a probability of opposing combatants breaking the Geneva Convention renders it null and void.
tomcatwarne: A Royal Marine jailed for life for killing a Taliban insurgent was robbed of justice after crucial evidence was ‘deliberately withheld’ from his court martial, it is claimed today.
It meant Sergeant Alexander Blackman – believed to be the only British serviceman ever convicted of murder on the battlefield – was locked up as a ‘political scapegoat’ for failings by top brass, say supporters.
Today a campaign spearheaded by legendary thriller writer Frederick Forsyth is being launched to mount a fresh legal appeal to free Blackman.
The jailing of the veteran commando, known as ‘Marine A’ at his court martial in 2013, triggered a public outcry.
Now a painstaking Mail investigation can reveal:
Evidence that might have resulted in a lesser charge of manslaughter was ‘deliberately withheld’;
A high-flying colonel who was blocked from telling the truth to the court martial called it ‘a failure of moral courage by the chain of command’;
The colonel was so disgusted that he resigned his commission;
It meant Sergeant Alexander Blackman – believed to be the only British serviceman ever convicted of murder on the battlefield – was locked up as a ‘political scapegoat’ for failings by top brass, say supporters.
Today a campaign spearheaded by legendary thriller writer Frederick Forsyth is being launched to mount a fresh legal appeal to free Blackman.
The jailing of the veteran commando, known as ‘Marine A’ at his court martial in 2013, triggered a public outcry.
Now a painstaking Mail investigation can reveal:
Evidence that might have resulted in a lesser charge of manslaughter was ‘deliberately withheld’;
A high-flying colonel who was blocked from telling the truth to the court martial called it ‘a failure of moral courage by the chain of command’;
The colonel was so disgusted that he resigned his commission;
Perhaps use a more credible source in future...and, as ever, not quoting your source is plagiarism.
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We expect them to adhere to the Geneva convention.
It's also pretty difficult to argue that a probability of opposing combatants breaking the Geneva Convention renders it null and void.
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Absolutely - Taliban. Al Qaeda, IS and the lot are not known for breaking Geneva convention - they don't give a sh.t about it!
It's also pretty difficult to argue that a probability of opposing combatants breaking the Geneva Convention renders it null and void.
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Absolutely - Taliban. Al Qaeda, IS and the lot are not known for breaking Geneva convention - they don't give a sh.t about it!
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Capricorn143: We expect them to adhere to the Geneva convention.
It's also pretty difficult to argue that a probability of opposing combatants breaking the Geneva Convention renders it null and void.
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Absolutely - Taliban. Al Qaeda, IS and the lot are not known for breaking Geneva convention - they don't give a sh.t about it!
It's also pretty difficult to argue that a probability of opposing combatants breaking the Geneva Convention renders it null and void.
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Absolutely - Taliban. Al Qaeda, IS and the lot are not known for breaking Geneva convention - they don't give a sh.t about it!
Yes, we're better than they are. We're civilised(mostly)and they're evil little savages and that's why we don't do what they do.
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tomcatwarne: They were there for us Pete.
The UK's military role in Afghanistan since 2001 has brought with it a heavy human toll. Members of the Army, RAF, Royal Marines and special forces have lost their lives in the fight against the Taliban. Here, the BBC News website offers a look at who they were and how they died.
The number of deaths stands at 454 after a soldier who had been shot in the stomach in April 2012 died from his injuries more than three years later.
these are the casualties. They died for you.
The UK's military role in Afghanistan since 2001 has brought with it a heavy human toll. Members of the Army, RAF, Royal Marines and special forces have lost their lives in the fight against the Taliban. Here, the BBC News website offers a look at who they were and how they died.
The number of deaths stands at 454 after a soldier who had been shot in the stomach in April 2012 died from his injuries more than three years later.
these are the casualties. They died for you.
And the reason for our presence in Afghanistan ?
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allthegoodnamest: And the reason for our presence in Afghanistan ?
to get a suntan....always raining here....
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truheart1941: to get a suntan....always raining here....
It's as good a reason as any, although Spain or Greece could be a safer option unless you're looking for a more adventurous holiday.
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There's no need for us to stoop so low. ISIS may be honourless dogs who execute prisoners at point-blank range, but we are not. Stamp out this ill-disciplined and barbaric behaviour, don't give it a licensce.
I don't recall any stories from my grandfather which involved shooting captive prisoners in the second world war. Nor any of his conscript buddies after being bombed by Germans night after night for years. 60000 have signed the petition for Blackman - what's the betting most of these are boring and lonely(for a reason)civvies? The kind of bland miserable d*ck who read Andy Mcnab.
I don't recall any stories from my grandfather which involved shooting captive prisoners in the second world war. Nor any of his conscript buddies after being bombed by Germans night after night for years. 60000 have signed the petition for Blackman - what's the betting most of these are boring and lonely(for a reason)civvies? The kind of bland miserable d*ck who read Andy Mcnab.
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Obstinance_Works: There's no need for us to stoop so low. ISIS may be honourless dogs who execute prisoners at point-blank range, but we are not. Stamp out this ill-disciplined and barbaric behaviour, don't give it a licensce.
I don't recall any stories from my grandfather which involved shooting captive prisoners in the second world war. Nor any of his conscript buddies after being bombed by Germans night after night for years. 60000 have signed the petition for Blackman - what's the betting most of these are boring and lonely(for a reason)civvies? The kind of bland miserable d*ck who read Andy Mcnab.
I don't recall any stories from my grandfather which involved shooting captive prisoners in the second world war. Nor any of his conscript buddies after being bombed by Germans night after night for years. 60000 have signed the petition for Blackman - what's the betting most of these are boring and lonely(for a reason)civvies? The kind of bland miserable d*ck who read Andy Mcnab.
All's fair in love & war.
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truheart1941: to get a suntan....always raining here....
Apache in Afghanistan.
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Obstinance_Works: There's no need for us to stoop so low. ISIS may be honourless dogs who execute prisoners at point-blank range, but we are not. Stamp out this ill-disciplined and barbaric behaviour, don't give it a licensce.
I don't recall any stories from my grandfather which involved shooting captive prisoners in the second world war. Nor any of his conscript buddies after being bombed by Germans night after night for years. 60000 have signed the petition for Blackman - what's the betting most of these are boring and lonely(for a reason)civvies? The kind of bland miserable d*ck who read Andy Mcnab.
I don't recall any stories from my grandfather which involved shooting captive prisoners in the second world war. Nor any of his conscript buddies after being bombed by Germans night after night for years. 60000 have signed the petition for Blackman - what's the betting most of these are boring and lonely(for a reason)civvies? The kind of bland miserable d*ck who read Andy Mcnab.
There are a lot of less know or undocumented actions like this acted out by the allied troops in WWII and other wars. They suffered a lot and witnessed a lot of atrocities perpetrated by Germany, Italy and Japan military and civilian personnel, especially when seeing their buddies heads blown off, just just snap, mentally.
I know how a lot of just civilians felt when they see films of other people jumping from the high floors of the World Trade Center towers on 9/11. Can you imagine just the sound of their impact when they landed? It's so easy for some to forget about these things, and then history just repeats itself.
I'm sure glad they didn't hesitate to put Osama bin Ladin out of his misery once they found him.
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Obstinance_Works: There's no need for us to stoop so low. ISIS may be honourless dogs who execute prisoners at point-blank range, but we are not. Stamp out this ill-disciplined and barbaric behaviour, don't give it a licensce.
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I don't think anyone should be blamed for their actions in a time of war.. These soldiers are Taught to kill!.. The adrenaline rush in these younG men.. Must be almost like being on drugs..its not human nature to kill another human beinG..WAR is never civil
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galrads: There are a lot of less know or undocumented actions like this acted out by the allied troops in WWII and other wars. They suffered a lot and witnessed a lot of atrocities perpetrated by Germany, Italy and Japan military and civilian personnel, especially when seeing their buddies heads blown off, just just snap, mentally.
I know how a lot of just civilians felt when they see films of other people jumping from the high floors of the World Trade Center towers on 9/11. Can you imagine just the sound of their impact when they landed? It's so easy for some to forget about these things, and then history just repeats itself.
I'm sure glad they didn't hesitate to put Osama bin Ladin out of his misery once they found him.
I know how a lot of just civilians felt when they see films of other people jumping from the high floors of the World Trade Center towers on 9/11. Can you imagine just the sound of their impact when they landed? It's so easy for some to forget about these things, and then history just repeats itself.
I'm sure glad they didn't hesitate to put Osama bin Ladin out of his misery once they found him.
This is true people who have never experienced combat situations can be holier than thou, put them in the same situation and????
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tomcatwarne: This is true people who have never experienced combat situations can be holier than thou, put them in the same situation and????
Yep, war is hell. Russian command in WWII used to shoot and kill their own combatants if they lost their nerve and tried to retreat from a conflict.
I doubt other Allie command tried to do that but a few officers are known to have been killed by friendly fire.
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It meant Sergeant Alexander Blackman – believed to be the only British serviceman ever convicted of murder on the battlefield – was locked up as a ‘political scapegoat’ for failings by top brass, say supporters.
Today a campaign spearheaded by legendary thriller writer Frederick Forsyth is being launched to mount a fresh legal appeal to free Blackman.
The jailing of the veteran commando, known as ‘Marine A’ at his court martial in 2013, triggered a public outcry.
Now a painstaking Mail investigation can reveal:
Evidence that might have resulted in a lesser charge of manslaughter was ‘deliberately withheld’;
A high-flying colonel who was blocked from telling the truth to the court martial called it ‘a failure of moral courage by the chain of command’;
The colonel was so disgusted that he resigned his commission;