rainbowdream2017: Raiche & Gelrard .... this is how it all started by Said attack on the Bible. When he attacks Christianity, Leftiest COMUNISTS only applaud to join in & no one screams Bully to him.
Thank you for your posts Rambo but cutting down the other’s religions is religion vs religion, not science vs religion.
galrads: Religion is based on authority. Science is based on observation.
your opinions please.....
Its about religion VS science Okay let's start rationally 1. Wich Religion is compatible with science ? 2. wich Religion is supported science.? 3. Is the Catholic church role was positive or negative towards sciences? comparing to Islam the Catholic church actually was against sciences and not produce any scientists . but the Qoran gave us algebra wich it was Islamic thing come out to the world because of the Qoran advice on calculate the Account of inheritance and Zakat. This is an example .of 1000 . what kind of example you can bring here for your glorious Catholic church Nothing Absolutely nothing I am challenging you and the whole Catholic church about who served the mankind better Islam or the Catholic church.
Rachie14Stafford, Staffordshire, England UK2,330 posts
saidmahmoud: Its about religion VS science Okay let's start rationally 1. Wich Religion is compatible with science ? 2. wich Religion is supported science.? 3. Is the Catholic church role was positive or negative towards sciences? comparing to Islam the Catholic church actually was against sciences and not produce any scientists . but the Qoran gave us algebra wich it was Islamic thing come out to the world because of the Qoran advice on calculate the Account of inheritance and Zakat. This is an example .of 1000 . what kind of example you can bring here for your glorious Catholic church Nothing Absolutely nothing I am challenging you and the whole Catholic church about who served the mankind better Islam or the Catholic church.
Said, it is not a competition. You are entitled to your faith as is anyone else.
I'd get why you are taking it personally.
But keep going with this and you are as guilty. If not more for continuing it.
galrads: Religion is based on authority. Science is based on observation.
your opinions please.....
Communism will never disprove fascism for the same science wont disprove religion. Fascism and religion are accepted on the basis of faith and fascism is the religious spirit made active in politics.
Communist theory is the opposite. It’s the scientific spirit made active in politics but people are not that scientific. We’ve discovered the earth isn’t flat and orbits the sun and in many ways Newtonian physics allowed the transition from feudalism to capitalism, however free will being an illusion is something for the boffins it’s not something people are accustomed to. Free will being an illusion will change the mindset of the species with collective awareness limiting the place of self-consciousness. Chains of causality andcause and effect will takeover the role of moral blame. Delusions of self-importance and powers we don’t possess left to the priests and mystics.
saidmahmoud: Its about religion VS science Okay let's start rationally 1. Wich Religion is compatible with science ? 2. wich Religion is supported science.? 3. Is the Catholic church role was positive or negative towards sciences? comparing to Islam the Catholic church actually was against sciences and not produce any scientists . but the Qoran gave us algebra wich it was Islamic thing come out to the world because of the Qoran advice on calculate the Account of inheritance and Zakat. This is an example .of 1000 . what kind of example you can bring here for your glorious Catholic church Nothing Absolutely nothing I am challenging you and the whole Catholic church about who served the mankind better Islam or the Catholic church.
Evidently Said, you have not read my comments on Catholicism. I don’t have anything good to say about it and I don’t know anything about your religion. So, your talking to the hand here.
Religious is man creation - as history or should I say ancient history - this is two different type of history - in the beginning of civilization a story of creation and the laws were create via documented facts from the cuneiform clay tablets around SUMER which is IRAQ. Also other tablets found in SYRIA-IRAN-LIBYA prove that the bible written by the break-away new cult called the Pharisees/Sadducees (now are called Judaism/Zionism) as these fake cult copy the cuneiform story of creation and twisted to their type of cult believers via now the BIBLE. Now let go ancient history FACTS - we have all the DNA human evolution we can trace back to the APE MAN DNA - but modern man which is at present time have 100 to 200 DNA as not able to trace it anywhere not on EARTH-FACTS Here come the tricky part - deep search the word GOD or GODS as an example of the old testament about Elisha taken to heaven in a 'FIERY CHARIOT'. That mean you people don't think in that time frame as a modern HORSE / CHARIOT in those days if you were there now-back in that time frame no such words exist as AIRPLANE-ROCKETSHIP-FLYING SAUCES-HELICOPTER OR ANY MODERN FLYING SYSTEM- now if you saw that subject flying through the sky what words would you use? The only word that time frame would be FIERY CHARIOT as seeing the object with flames. They were called the GODS because of their intelligence ways and doing DNA experiment on the ape man to become intelligence as science are puzzle for the fact of all them centuries the ape man never became intelligence until SUMER (in IRAQ) where beginning of civilization boom in a very sort span of time due to the ALIEN dna on the ape man. Now man made religious is money and power to control the MASSES - look at how many difference religious is on earth - TOO MANY - and second of all if it the word of so call GOD they believe in then why is there so many destruction on earth and to the churches too. And then wars of religious vs religious - how can you people be so NARROW MIND by their peaching.
deadears: Religious is man creation - as history or should I say ancient history - this is two different type of history - in the beginning of civilization a story of creation and the laws were create via documented facts from the cuneiform clay tablets around SUMER which is IRAQ. Also other tablets found in SYRIA-IRAN-LIBYA prove that the bible written by the break-away new cult called the Pharisees/Sadducees (now are called Judaism/Zionism) as these fake cult copy the cuneiform story of creation and twisted to their type of cult believers via now the BIBLE. Now let go ancient history FACTS - we have all the DNA human evolution we can trace back to the APE MAN DNA - but modern man which is at present time have 100 to 200 DNA as not able to trace it anywhere not on EARTH-FACTS Here come the tricky part - deep search the word GOD or GODS as an example of the old testament about Elisha taken to heaven in a 'FIERY CHARIOT'. That mean you people don't think in that time frame as a modern HORSE / CHARIOT in those days if you were there now-back in that time frame no such words exist as AIRPLANE-ROCKETSHIP-FLYING SAUCES-HELICOPTER OR ANY MODERN FLYING SYSTEM- now if you saw that subject flying through the sky what words would you use? The only word that time frame would be FIERY CHARIOT as seeing the object with flames. They were called the GODS because of their intelligence ways and doing DNA experiment on the ape man to become intelligence as science are puzzle for the fact of all them centuries the ape man never became intelligence until SUMER (in IRAQ) where beginning of civilization boom in a very sort span of time due to the ALIEN dna on the ape man. Now man made religious is money and power to control the MASSES - look at how many difference religious is on earth - TOO MANY - and second of all if it the word of so call GOD they believe in then why is there so many destruction on earth and to the churches too. And then wars of religious vs religious - how can you people be so NARROW MIND by their peaching.
You left out the records of the great flood across the globe by most civilizations. You left out the dead sea scrolls which coincide with what we have today with well over 90% accuracy. There isn't a single fossil record to help the DNA b.s. NOTHING to prove any type of evolution for any species. The pharisees and essenes were based on the mosaic law. LAW. think about that word for a moment. They weren't just about God but also based from the very first sin committed to that present time. The saducees were like many today thinking a compromise of right and wrong was the route.
While it's true there are other possible records,many can't actually be corroberated like the Bible itself can.
Other worlds, also mentioned in the Bible. Lucifer represented the Earth. A war in heaven then he was sealed here so that mankind can see for themselves in the end as witnesses.
Draegoneer: You left out the records of the great flood across the globe by most civilizations. You left out the dead sea scrolls which coincide with what we have today with well over 90% accuracy. There isn't a single fossil record to help the DNA b.s. NOTHING to prove any type of evolution for any species. The pharisees and essenes were based on the mosaic law. LAW. think about that word for a moment. They weren't just about God but also based from the very first sin committed to that present time. The saducees were like many today thinking a compromise of right and wrong was the route.
While it's true there are other possible records,many can't actually be corroberated like the Bible itself can.
Other worlds, also mentioned in the Bible. Lucifer represented the Earth. A war in heaven then he was sealed here so that mankind can see for themselves in the end as witnesses.
Essenes didn't appear until around 1-2 centuries before Christ. There is also the fact that the timeline for that region is based around Egypt. Further evidence of a mass exodus from egypt which puts their time line off by centuries but mankind won't change anything for any type of accuracy if they can keep people in chaos for better control. They like it because it's better than actually holding any type of values or foundations. They just throw the theories of science out there and every one thinks it's trust worthy no matter how many changes or lack of evidence.
Draegoneer: Essenes didn't appear until around 1-2 centuries before Christ. There is also the fact that the timeline for that region is based around Egypt. Further evidence of a mass exodus from egypt which puts their time line off by centuries but mankind won't change anything for any type of accuracy if they can keep people in chaos for better control. They like it because it's better than actually holding any type of values or foundations. They just throw the theories of science out there and every one thinks it's trust worthy no matter how many changes or lack of evidence.
Butcher559Whangarei, Northland New Zealand750 posts
galrads: Religion is based on authority. Science is based on observation.
your opinions please.....
Religion is meant to be based around combining physical with the spiritual, but sadly most religions are based on authority. Science has good and bad points, but it will never be as powerful to the human body as the combination of physical and spirital.
galrads: Religion is based on authority. Science is based on observation.
your opinions please.....
Sorry, friend galrads, but I GOTTA disagree with your assertion, above!
"Religion" (unless you mean organised churches, which, in MY opinion, religion is NOT! "Religion", to ME, is a belief system, a philosophy, if you will. Organised churches are structures, not only physically, but in the sense of being structured groups of people, which DO tend to hierarchical authority.) is NOT based on "authority", but on "belief".
And "science", while it CAN be seen as based on "observation"; by saying that, you're implying that it's "conclusions" are "fact"! Which, IN "FACT", they are NOT! They, TOO, are "beliefs"! And those "beliefs" tend to be temporary passing fancies! "Science" once said the earth was flat! Is that SO? There are STILL people that argue that it is! But MOST think not. Science used to think that Newtonian physics was the answer to just about EVERYTHING! Until Einstein came along with "relativity", which is NOW generally accepted. But THAT'S being called more and more into question, everyday, by observations in quantum mechanics. Darwinian theory of evolution is STILL academia's MOST accepted theory, but more and more questions are being raised, to dispute IT, every day. Today's "facts" are tomorrows jokes! And today's fantasies are tomorrow's facts! So it has ALWAYS been! And so it shall ALMOST CERTAINLY be.
As to your premise, upon which this thread is based: "will science eventually prove or disprove religion?", I think it would be better to ask:
#1. CAN science prove, or disprove "religion"? To which "I" would say, it DOESN'T really matter! Although I DOUBT if it will or can. And, since "religion" and "God" are 2 DIFFERENT things, why would "proving" a "religion" matter? In the GRAND scheme of things? Regardless of whether science proves or disproves the existence of a "God", some people will continue to believe. And some people will continue to disbelieve. Personally, "I" THINK that the people's beliefs are AT LEAST AS important, as the reality! Because it's a person's beliefs, that rule their lives and control their actions. It's a person's beliefs/value system, that determines whether they're going to plan/participate in a terrorist attack, or push a button to launch a nuclear weapon. Just as it is their belief/value system that will cause others to lay down their lives to try to STOP such things. That will cause one man to donate one of his functioning kidneys to man in need, whom he doesn't know. It's our beliefs, our value system, that controls every decision we make, in life. And IF you believe in a God, AND believe that THAT God is going to judge you, it's on your belief system, tat you will be judged! Since MOST (NOT all) hereon, are Christians, I'll quote Jesus, "By YOUR judgments, will you be judged!"
#2. Does it MATTER whether science can "prove", or "disprove" "religion", and/or the existence of "God"? My SIMPLE answer, to THIS, is, in EITHER case, NO! IF science were to prove, or disprove "A" religion, or the existence of God, what - in REALITY - would change? NOTHING! EXCEPT the belief/value systems of SOME people. NOT all people. But people's beliefs and values are changing on a semi-regular basis, anyway. So WHAT would change? WHAT GREAT "DIFFERENCE" would it make, in the lives of men OR God(s)? Or on life on earth? Would the universe suddenly start spinning in the opposite direction? Would babies stop being born? Would lives suddenly CEASE ceasing? Would you STOP stopping for red lights? WHAT would change?
So MY question is, WHAT IS the relevance of such a question, galrads? Questions ARE good, simply because they make us think, if for no other reason. And we NEED to learn to DO that, as many people have NO CONCEPT of how to do such a basic thing. But SOME questions, such as this one, only have value as a mental exercise. JMO
galrads: That’s your way for interpreting the Bible. We are no longer under the Mosaic law today but it still applies for many believers. I’ve never read the st James version. Try reading the Jehovah’s Witnesses version if you’re so inclined and you will learn that Jesus Christ is not God, but Michael the Angel. Christ died on a steak, not a cross and the Holy Spirit is like electric current powering people.
rainbowdream2017: 41) Can Islam be the religion of Abraham if it is derived from paganism? No 42) What then is Islam? A modern version of one of the ancient fertility cults. 43) Is the "Allah" of the Qur'an, the Christian God of Father, Son, and Holy Spirit? No 44) Do the Jews say that the Muslim "Allah" is their God too? No 45) Then whose god is Allah? Paganism According to the Quran, Muhammad was uncertain whether Allah would save him: Or do they say, 'He has forged it'? Say: 'If I have forged it, you have no power to help me against Allah. He knows very well what you are pressing upon; He suffices as a witness between me and you; He is the All-forgiving, the All-compassionate.' Say: 'I am not an innovation among the Messengers, and I know not what shall be done with me or with you. I only follow what is revealed to me; I am only a clear warner.' S. 46:8-9 Meccan The so-called authentic narrations make it clear that Muhammad was speaking in respect to his eternal fate: Narrated 'Um al-'Ala: An Ansari woman who gave the pledge of allegiance to the Prophet that the Ansar drew lots concerning the dwelling of the Emigrants. 'Uthman bin Maz'un was decided to dwell with them (i.e. Um al-'Ala's family), 'Uthman fell ill and I nursed him till he died, and we covered him with his clothes. Then the Prophet came to us and I (addressing the dead body) said, "O Abu As-Sa'ib, may Allah's Mercy be on you! I bear witness that Allah has honored you." On that the Prophet said, "How do you know that Allah has honored him?" I replied, "I do not know. May my father and my mother be sacrificed for you, O Allah's Apostle! But who else is worthy of it (if not 'Uthman)?" He said, "As to him, by Allah, death has overtaken him, and I hope the best for him. By Allah, though I am the Apostle of Allah, yet I do not know what Allah will do to me," By Allah, I will never assert the piety of anyone after him. That made me sad, and when I slept I saw in a dream a flowing stream for 'Uthman bin Maz'un. I went to Allah's Apostle and told him of it. He remarked, "That symbolizes his (good) deeds." (Sahih al-Bukhari, Volume 5, Book 58, Number 266)
Know thy enemy! I see you've taken this maxim to heart, Rainy! Next time I have a question about Islam, I know where to go! As I've told you before, I DON'T know Islam as well as I might. But then, I've never had the fixation on/with it, that you do. But i appreciate a scholar, when I find one.
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When he attacks Christianity, Leftiest COMUNISTS only applaud to join in & no one screams Bully to him.