OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round? ( Archived) (110)

Mar 15, 2019 7:08 PM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
MiguelUknow
MiguelUknowMiguelUknowSantiago de Queretaro, Queretaro Mexico14 Threads 638 Posts
I'm a pessimist which means I naturally think being an optimist is better. On the positive side it keeps me grounded and living within my means. I was going to write a long response explaining my feeling on both, but I decided people wouldn't be interested, and I'd just be wasting my time. So I didn't. wink
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Mar 15, 2019 10:16 PM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
LeeCharming
LeeCharmingLeeCharmingCardiff, South Glamorgan, Wales UK537 Threads 273 Polls 6,941 Posts
If you know society is not evolving in a productive way and heading in the wrong direction, then some might say you were being Pessimistic for talking about it, but reality, knowledge, clear vision to see the agenda is important to some and optimism will have to wait it's turn
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Mar 15, 2019 10:39 PM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
M4_Mischief
M4_MischiefM4_MischiefBelleville, Ontario Canada6,250 Posts
im neither....I just am whatever that is in the moment.....wave
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Mar 16, 2019 12:58 AM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
daniela777
daniela777daniela777Mi Paraiso, Murcia Spain44 Threads 2,714 Posts
MiguelUknow: I'm a pessimist which means I naturally think being an optimist is better. On the positive side it keeps me grounded and living within my means. I was going to write a long response explaining my feeling on both, but I decided people wouldn't be interested, and I'd just be wasting my time. So I didn't.
Hola Miguel wave

As long as you're happy with whatever you are and...as you say.. It keeps you grounded...
Then there's nothing wrong with it is there?
It could be that you are more realistic and down to earth ?

But...can you still achieve your goals?

Now...It would be interesting to hear your views on both?

Why do you think that people wouldn't be interested?
That's a NEGATIVE feeling meaning you are already under valuing yourself ?scold

There are always some people interested..somewhere...but how do you know unless you try ?
Nothing is NEVER a waste of time! scold
We all need to learn in order to grow.

Hasta la proxima vez..teddybear
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Mar 16, 2019 1:03 AM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
daniela777
daniela777daniela777Mi Paraiso, Murcia Spain44 Threads 2,714 Posts
LeeCharming: If you know society is not evolving in a productive way and heading in the wrong direction, then some might say you were being Pessimistic for talking about it, but reality, knowledge, clear vision to see the agenda is important to some and optimism will have to wait it's turn
Lee..in this case it's AWARENESS ..and it's positive !
If we aware of something bad happening or about to happen maybe we can help changing things in some way?dunno
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Mar 16, 2019 1:05 AM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
daniela777
daniela777daniela777Mi Paraiso, Murcia Spain44 Threads 2,714 Posts
M4_Mischief: im neither....I just am whatever that is in the moment.....
Good Lady M...wave

That's also how I like to be! cool
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Mar 16, 2019 10:23 AM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
MiguelUknow
MiguelUknowMiguelUknowSantiago de Queretaro, Queretaro Mexico14 Threads 638 Posts
daniela777: Hola Miguel

As long as you're happy with whatever you are and...as you say.. It keeps you grounded...
Then there's nothing wrong with it is there?
It could be that you are more realistic and down to earth ?

But...can you still achieve your goals?

Now...It would be interesting to hear your views on both?

Why do you think that people wouldn't be interested?
That's a NEGATIVE feeling meaning you are already under valuing yourself ?

There are always some people interested..somewhere...but how do you know unless you try ?
Nothing is NEVER a waste of time!
We all need to learn in order to grow.

Hasta la proxima vez..
Hola Dani I haven't exactly lived a goal oriented life. I've just reacted to the curve balls life has thrown at me, and yet I've somehow managed to achieve a modicum of success.

I was just trying to sound like a pessimist with the people not being interested and waste of time comment. The winking eye was supposed to be the tip off.

I think the genes we are born with helps to determine at least some of the way our attitudes toward life develop. Of course teaching and life experiences and role models also contribute. But if were a matter of free choice I don't believe many people would chose to be pessimistic. I guess people do tend to moderate from either extreme to the middle with age and the benefits of life's lessons
Hasta pronto
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Mar 16, 2019 10:36 AM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
BB_snickers
BB_snickersBB_snickersNarnia, Ontario Canada56 Threads 3,755 Posts
daniela777: Which is better, in your opinion?
Is your glass half full or half empty?

Looking at both ends of the scale, we could look at it as positive, and negative but... is it really?

Both have advantages and disadvantages and most people are not at either extreme, but fall somewhere between.

Optimists might be good starters and will persevere regardless of obstacles, but may not stop when they should have.

Pessimists may not start at all, overcome by difficulties before they start. However, once they get started and achieved success, this fuels their confidence to carry on.

It is most widely thought that optimists are non-realists, which they can be if their perception of reality is distorted but, If you are an optimist based on realism, you are more likely to succeed.

As for Pessimists, they are more accurate about reality.

Research has shown that optimism is correlated with many positive life outcomes, including increased life expectancy, general health, better mental health, increased success in sports and work etc. and better-coping strategies when faced with adversity.

Life coaching behavioral techniques may not necessarily involve teaching people “optimism”, but instead, just reducing pessimism.

Discuss at your heart´s content.
As an ISTF (or so they tell me) any level of optimism or pessimism gets filtered through my observatory judge and is then placed properly in it's place as necessary or unnecessary in the moment. Where energetic pessimism and energetic optimism pass through us regulairy, I tend find them interesting but of little consequence. I rarely if ever find any need to remain and or regain those energies because before you know it, here comes another energy.
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Mar 16, 2019 10:41 AM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
daniela777
daniela777daniela777Mi Paraiso, Murcia Spain44 Threads 2,714 Posts
MiguelUknow: Hola Dani ...

I think the genes we are born with helps to determine at least some of the way our attitudes toward life develop. Of course teaching and life experiences and role models also contribute. But if were a matter of free choice I don't believe many people would chose to be pessimistic. I guess people do tend to moderate from either extreme to the middle with age and the benefits of life's lessons
Hasta pronto
Miguel...nice to see you back! wave

I don't really think that our genes have anything to do with it..but..
The MORPHIC FIELD we are brought up in.

As you say..."role models" play an important role in our life and offer great lessons.

For example: I didn't inherit my family's genes as far as health and attitude are concerned because I got out of the morphic field and moved away So I wasn't influenced by them.


Also..as you say..and you are right! ..we do not choose to be pessimist or optimist ...
But it all depends of the experiences we have encountered along the way...and...most importantly...what did we learn from them and how they changed our life.
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Mar 16, 2019 10:49 AM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
daniela777
daniela777daniela777Mi Paraiso, Murcia Spain44 Threads 2,714 Posts
BB_snickers: As an ISTF (or so they tell me) any level of optimism or pessimism gets filtered through my observatory judge and is then placed properly in it's place as necessary or unnecessary in the moment. Where energetic pessimism and energetic optimism pass through us regulairy, I tend find them interesting but of little consequence. I rarely if ever find any need to remain and or regain those energies because before you know it, here comes another energy.
What's an ISTF?confused
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Mar 16, 2019 11:05 AM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
BB_snickers
BB_snickersBB_snickersNarnia, Ontario Canada56 Threads 3,755 Posts
daniela777: What's an ISTF?
Personality types.



Have fun! wine
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Mar 16, 2019 11:50 AM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
daniela777
daniela777daniela777Mi Paraiso, Murcia Spain44 Threads 2,714 Posts
BB_snickers: Personality types.



Have fun!
I guessed it was but couldn't find that type?

I am INFJ cheers
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Mar 16, 2019 12:02 PM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
BB_snickers
BB_snickersBB_snickersNarnia, Ontario Canada56 Threads 3,755 Posts
daniela777: I guessed it was but couldn't find that type?

I am INFJ
Ok, you be the judge. laugh

It seems to fit you, though my minimal exposure to you on a forum is hardly the stuff of worthy analysis.

Very rare too. Funny though, I know of at least one other INFJ and she totally fits that designation. So technically in my circles you would be common wine


I wanted to be rare, special and weird but as it turns out I am just like 60% of the other weirdos mumbling There's plenty of room for me judging that. roll eyes
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Mar 16, 2019 12:10 PM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
BB_snickers
BB_snickersBB_snickersNarnia, Ontario Canada56 Threads 3,755 Posts
daniela777: I guessed it was but couldn't find that type?

I am INFJ
Sorry, ISTJ ... I'm always putting F's where J's belong.
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Mar 16, 2019 12:11 PM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
mollybaby
mollybabymollybabyCork City, Cork Ireland56 Threads 8 Polls 23,608 Posts
BB_snickers: Sorry, ISTJ ... I'm always putting F's where J's belong.
Same as me wink
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Mar 16, 2019 12:31 PM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
daniela777
daniela777daniela777Mi Paraiso, Murcia Spain44 Threads 2,714 Posts
BB_snickers: Sorry, ISTJ ... I'm always putting F's where J's belong.
There you are! No wonder why I couldn't find you.wink
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Mar 16, 2019 12:34 PM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
daniela777
daniela777daniela777Mi Paraiso, Murcia Spain44 Threads 2,714 Posts
BB_snickers: Ok, you be the judge.

It seems to fit you, though my minimal exposure to you on a forum is hardly the stuff of worthy analysis.

Very rare too. Funny though, I know of at least one other INFJ and she totally fits that designation. So technically in my circles you would be common
You should then know me personally and not in the virtual world.wink
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Mar 16, 2019 12:41 PM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
MiguelUknow
MiguelUknowMiguelUknowSantiago de Queretaro, Queretaro Mexico14 Threads 638 Posts
daniela777: Miguel...nice to see you back!

I don't really think that our genes have anything to do with it..but..
The MORPHIC FIELD we are brought up in.

As you say..."role models" play an important role in our life and offer great lessons.

For example: I didn't inherit my family's genes as far as health and attitude are concerned because I got out of the morphic field and moved away So I wasn't influenced by them.


Also..as you say..and you are right! ..we do not choose to be pessimist or optimist ...
But it all depends of the experiences we have encountered along the way...and...most importantly...what did we learn from them and how they changed our life.
Hi Dani this article seems to disagree a little. Actually it's not the only article a Google search yields that suggests that genes do have some role, some suggest up to 20 % I think.
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Mar 16, 2019 1:12 PM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
BB_snickers
BB_snickersBB_snickersNarnia, Ontario Canada56 Threads 3,755 Posts
daniela777: You should then know me personally and not in the virtual world.
Indeed. Everytime I see one support a cause for the underdogs or mistreated. Or maybe a cat. laugh
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Mar 16, 2019 1:15 PM CST OPTIMISM Vs PESSIMISM - Or the other way round?
daniela777
daniela777daniela777Mi Paraiso, Murcia Spain44 Threads 2,714 Posts
MiguelUknow: Hi Dani this article seems to disagree a little. Actually it's not the only article a Google search yields that suggests that genes do have some role, some suggest up to 20 % I think.
Miguel...I can't really open it from my mobile at the moment...but I do believe that there are quite a few articles on that topic ...and also physical illnesses etc...
But...
I've done some intensive research on morphic fields ...and I've also met some people who...like me...didn't inherit the genes of their ancestors as they had left the morphic field.


Anyway...from my own belief...putting the blame to our genes for all our issues is just too easy! wink

From the moment we change the chip and our programming...we can stop the family "curse"!
And this is from my own personal experience.
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