The arguments for and against the death penalty. (168)
OnlyLiveTwice: Historically, capital punishment has been used in almost every part of the world. Currently, the large majority of countries have either abolished or discontinued the practice.
What's your opinion?
Canada abolished capital punishment and I'm glad they did. Let the criminal spend time incarcerated in prison for life instead of getting the easy way out through death.What's your opinion?
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2intrigued: Canada abolished capital punishment and I'm glad they did. Let the criminal spend time incarcerated in prison for life instead of getting the easy way out through death.
hi :)prison should not be about punishing mentally ill people.
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lookinforhappy: hi :)
prison should not be about punishing mentally ill people.
If it is determined that the person is mentally ill, then I agree with you. prison should not be about punishing mentally ill people.
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2intrigued: If it is determined that the person is mentally ill, then I agree with you.
Yeah, some people are just mean or greedy.... 
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2intrigued: If it is determined that the person is mentally ill, then I agree with you.
Hey Twigsy 
I agree but so often a good lawyer finds a way to bring mental illness into the picture when that person really isn't nuts.
If a person plans to drive 600 miles to El Paso, Texas to kill as many Mexicans as possible that person wasn't mentally ill. The act of planning eliminates mental illness.
This article tells you why killing 22 people isn't mental illness.
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2intrigued: If it is determined that the person is mentally ill, then I agree with you.
committing murder and other vile crimes …. would be a crazy definition of sanity.that determines it.
regards death penalty for or against, ….that's the kind of crime committed.
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lookinforhappy: committing murder and other vile crimes …. would be a crazy definition of sanity.
that determines it.
regards death penalty for or against, ….that's the kind of crime committed.
Read the article that Secretagent posted as a link in her post....some good info there. that determines it.
regards death penalty for or against, ….that's the kind of crime committed.
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2intrigued: Read the article that Secretagent posted as a link in her post....some good info there.
I have read the link.they mention the guy premeditation, driving there, plotting, etc ,shooting down people, ..sane people don't do that.
just because the psychologists/psychiatrists don't agree or know what specific label to put on it for their diagnostic manual does not mean a person in that state of mind is sane. just because the deluded person thinks their sane does not mean that they are sane .. the fact that mental health services can not predict their behaviour or prevent it does not mean that these offenders are sane.
it utter nonsense to suggest that carrying out horrific crimes like this is an example of sanity.
terribly irresponsible to be putting out message like this in articles to the nation / world ....young generations ….that such horrific behaviour is sane. i.m.h.o..
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by the way such offenders are responsible for their crimes in the sense that they committed them.
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lookinforhappy: I have read the link.
they mention the guy premeditation, driving there, plotting, etc ,shooting down people, ..sane people don't do that.
just because the psychologists/psychiatrists don't agree or know what specific label to put on it for their diagnostic manual does not mean a person in that state of mind is sane. just because the deluded person thinks their sane does not mean that they are sane .. the fact that mental health services can not predict their behaviour or prevent it does not mean that these offenders are sane.
it utter nonsense to suggest that carrying out horrific crimes like this is an example of sanity.
terribly irresponsible to be putting out message like this in articles to the nation / world ....young generations ….that such horrific behaviour is sane. i.m.h.o..
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by the way such offenders are responsible for their crimes in the sense that they committed them.
I totally agree with you. they mention the guy premeditation, driving there, plotting, etc ,shooting down people, ..sane people don't do that.
just because the psychologists/psychiatrists don't agree or know what specific label to put on it for their diagnostic manual does not mean a person in that state of mind is sane. just because the deluded person thinks their sane does not mean that they are sane .. the fact that mental health services can not predict their behaviour or prevent it does not mean that these offenders are sane.
it utter nonsense to suggest that carrying out horrific crimes like this is an example of sanity.
terribly irresponsible to be putting out message like this in articles to the nation / world ....young generations ….that such horrific behaviour is sane. i.m.h.o..
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by the way such offenders are responsible for their crimes in the sense that they committed them.
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Psychiatrists don't accept the notion of Karma.
As best as i can tell they are like gangsters, personal assassins, as they take money to discredit people in the eyes of the courts; kid themselves they understand human behavior.
As best as i can tell they are like gangsters, personal assassins, as they take money to discredit people in the eyes of the courts; kid themselves they understand human behavior.
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secretagent09: Hey Twigsy
I agree but so often a good lawyer finds a way to bring mental illness into the picture when that person really isn't nuts.
If a person plans to drive 600 miles to El Paso, Texas to kill as many Mexicans as possible that person wasn't mentally ill. The act of planning eliminates mental illness.
This article tells you why killing 22 people isn't mental illness.
hi :) I agree but so often a good lawyer finds a way to bring mental illness into the picture when that person really isn't nuts.
If a person plans to drive 600 miles to El Paso, Texas to kill as many Mexicans as possible that person wasn't mentally ill. The act of planning eliminates mental illness.
This article tells you why killing 22 people isn't mental illness.
regards....the act of planning eliminates mental illness .
if a person tells you that they plan to drive somewhere to kill a number of random people in a shopping centre. …………………..do you say ….. that sounds like a very sane thing to do. ???
or do you say...………..that's crazy. ???
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robplum: Psychiatrists don't accept the notion of Karma.
As best as i can tell they are like gangsters, personal assassins, as they take money to discredit people in the eyes of the courts; kid themselves they understand human behavior.
Of course they don't accept the notion of karma just as they don't accept other daft superstitions. While nobody ever fully understands human behaviour I think most of them would have a better than average insight.As best as i can tell they are like gangsters, personal assassins, as they take money to discredit people in the eyes of the courts; kid themselves they understand human behavior.
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People who do things that are so bad that the judge/jury send them to death row, they know the risk, they took the risk, and they were stupid enough to get caugt. Suffer the consequences and burn in hell.
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Lock them up and throw away the key is a realistic alternative therefore it becomes a choice to kill a defenceless prisoner. If you’re killing them today it’s for cheapskate reasons far more than needs must, and it will only grow more this way unless civilisation collapses for some other reason.
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MetaMaus: Oddly enough not once did I state being for or against one or the other.
But a logic fallacy of not wanting to understand things but still expecting to prevent those things is something I'm definitely against and has zero chance of changing my mind.
Those who take the right of life lose their own right.!!
That, that is a bit of a paradox, ironic
They are working under the legal system...a system that protects the innocent.But a logic fallacy of not wanting to understand things but still expecting to prevent those things is something I'm definitely against and has zero chance of changing my mind.
Those who take the right of life lose their own right.!!
That, that is a bit of a paradox, ironic
If our health services and social services were in anyway up to scratch some of these crimes could have been prevented...but its left to the legal system to decide after the fact...and blame put at their door....if ye want to prevent..look elsewhere...we need there to be a system where you are punished for committing a crime.
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deedee123xo: They are working under the legal system...a system that protects the innocent.
I'm not sure who 'they' are.deedee123xo:
If our health services and social services were in anyway up to scratch some of these crimes could have been prevented...
I agree with that.If our health services and social services were in anyway up to scratch some of these crimes could have been prevented...
But how do you know?
You're not willing to put time and effort into understanding why crimes/murders are committed, the cost is too high for you.
deedee123xo: ...but its left to the legal system to decide after the fact...
That is a blessing.I wouldn't want to live in a place where the legal system decides before any facts occurred.
deedee123xo: ...and blame put at their door...
Who are 'they' ?deedee123xo: ...if ye want to prevent..look elsewhere...
Where ? In which direction?deedee123xo: ...we need there to be a system where you are punished for committing a crime.
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lookinforhappy: hi :)
also regards, ….Legal sanity pleas are very specific. The criteria for a sanity plea is whether the person knew that they were doing something wrong. Destroying evidence, or escaping detection are used to prove that the person knew they were at fault.
the notion that that if a person knows that they are doing something wrong equates to them being SANE OVERALL is just daft and shows the ignorance of the legal system regards mental health . this nonsense criteria should not even be used. its just as daft and nonsensical as the notion that planning equates to sanity.
if a family member told another that they are planning to drive to the shopping centre and shoot random men, women and children, and that they know it is wrong but they are going to do it anyway,..just because they feel like it or for whatever reason, … surely a person is going to be concerned about their state of mind. what if it was their own son or daughter said such a thing and were serious about it.
are there really people in the world who think that that is a sane state of mind to be in. ? apparently there are, the legal system and the people who blindly go along with it.
they don't seem to understand that both mental illness and sane traits can both co-exist within the brain. the sick person can draw on sane aspects of reasoning to plan a crime. of course they can know its wrong
the sick aspect of the person pops its head up when they commit the crime. the cross the fine line from sanity to crazy.also regards, ….Legal sanity pleas are very specific. The criteria for a sanity plea is whether the person knew that they were doing something wrong. Destroying evidence, or escaping detection are used to prove that the person knew they were at fault.
the notion that that if a person knows that they are doing something wrong equates to them being SANE OVERALL is just daft and shows the ignorance of the legal system regards mental health . this nonsense criteria should not even be used. its just as daft and nonsensical as the notion that planning equates to sanity.
if a family member told another that they are planning to drive to the shopping centre and shoot random men, women and children, and that they know it is wrong but they are going to do it anyway,..just because they feel like it or for whatever reason, … surely a person is going to be concerned about their state of mind. what if it was their own son or daughter said such a thing and were serious about it.
are there really people in the world who think that that is a sane state of mind to be in. ? apparently there are, the legal system and the people who blindly go along with it.
they don't seem to understand that both mental illness and sane traits can both co-exist within the brain. the sick person can draw on sane aspects of reasoning to plan a crime. of course they can know its wrong
sick people are ill not just stupid or unaware . the illness co exist alongside other perfect functioning traits.
its like the horror of 9/11. the nutcases can make their way from a to be, fly planes etc. they are not stupid. they can plan things. this aspect of their brain is still functioning in addition to their mad side. they know that it is wrong to murder all those innocent people , but they do it anyway.
its similar to a psychopath . they can plan a crime , know it is wrong. that is evident in their planning. they plan to try to evade capture. they are very clever , very aware, not stupid by any means. but, nevertheless , they are very ill people. it is evident in the crimes carried out when the crazy aspect of themselves come to the fore. they know that there are risks involved and that they might get caught, and so they plan their crimes to try to evade capture.
some get caught eventually , unfortunately some never get caught. others may get caught for one crime but not for a host of others . unfortunately there are many victims of mad people out there who have never been found or their attackers identified. this is because these killers are not just stupid....but they are certainly ill.
some people like to falsely believe that madness cannot exist within the brain alongside sane aspects. they like to look at and point out how offenders plan and know what they are doing. they then fail to see the mad side of the person who may have murdered and done vile things to victims. its like they have tunnel vision and see only one side of the person.
perhaps they are blinded by the shock, horrer or vileness of the crime. perhaps by desire for revenge. perhaps anger blinds them and their desire to be violent themselves come to the fore. it may be many things that pulls the wool over their eyes.
but one thing is for certain , its not sane or normal to carry out horrific and vile crimes. to say that it is the actions of a healthy mind is nonsensical and ignorant.
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lookinforhappy: the sick aspect of the person pops its head up when they commit the crime. the cross the fine line from sanity to crazy.
sick people are ill not just stupid or unaware . the illness co exist alongside other perfect functioning traits.
its like the horror of 9/11. the nutcases can make their way from a to be, fly planes etc. they are not stupid. they can plan things. this aspect of their brain is still functioning in addition to their mad side. they know that it is wrong to murder all those innocent people , but they do it anyway.
its similar to a psychopath . they can plan a crime , know it is wrong. that is evident in their planning. they plan to try to evade capture. they are very clever , very aware, not stupid by any means. but, nevertheless , they are very ill people. it is evident in the crimes carried out when the crazy aspect of themselves come to the fore. they know that there are risks involved and that they might get caught, and so they plan their crimes to try to evade capture.
some get caught eventually , unfortunately some never get caught. others may get caught for one crime but not for a host of others . unfortunately there are many victims of mad people out there who have never been found or their attackers identified. this is because these killers are not just stupid....but they are certainly ill.
some people like to falsely believe that madness cannot exist within the brain alongside sane aspects. they like to look at and point out how offenders plan and know what they are doing. they then fail to see the mad side of the person who may have murdered and done vile things to victims. its like they have tunnel vision and see only one side of the person.
perhaps they are blinded by the shock, horrer or vileness of the crime. perhaps by desire for revenge. perhaps anger blinds them and their desire to be violent themselves come to the fore. it may be many things that pulls the wool over their eyes.
but one thing is for certain , its not sane or normal to carry out horrific and vile crimes. to say that it is the actions of a healthy mind is nonsensical and ignorant.
i
sick people are ill not just stupid or unaware . the illness co exist alongside other perfect functioning traits.
its like the horror of 9/11. the nutcases can make their way from a to be, fly planes etc. they are not stupid. they can plan things. this aspect of their brain is still functioning in addition to their mad side. they know that it is wrong to murder all those innocent people , but they do it anyway.
its similar to a psychopath . they can plan a crime , know it is wrong. that is evident in their planning. they plan to try to evade capture. they are very clever , very aware, not stupid by any means. but, nevertheless , they are very ill people. it is evident in the crimes carried out when the crazy aspect of themselves come to the fore. they know that there are risks involved and that they might get caught, and so they plan their crimes to try to evade capture.
some get caught eventually , unfortunately some never get caught. others may get caught for one crime but not for a host of others . unfortunately there are many victims of mad people out there who have never been found or their attackers identified. this is because these killers are not just stupid....but they are certainly ill.
some people like to falsely believe that madness cannot exist within the brain alongside sane aspects. they like to look at and point out how offenders plan and know what they are doing. they then fail to see the mad side of the person who may have murdered and done vile things to victims. its like they have tunnel vision and see only one side of the person.
perhaps they are blinded by the shock, horrer or vileness of the crime. perhaps by desire for revenge. perhaps anger blinds them and their desire to be violent themselves come to the fore. it may be many things that pulls the wool over their eyes.
but one thing is for certain , its not sane or normal to carry out horrific and vile crimes. to say that it is the actions of a healthy mind is nonsensical and ignorant.
i
doesnt your logic escape you by beliving the person commiting this crime is crazy before instead of after it?
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deedee123xo: You cruisin for a bruisin Donal..
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sorry mum,been a bad boy?Night
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Think we have established that.
Funnily enough neither of us have the power to either trip nor flip the switch!!
I wont change your mind you wont change mine.
Those who take the right of life lose their own right.!!
Hope your soap box efforts werent in vain.
If you know what i mean, and i think you do
But a logic fallacy of not wanting to understand things but still expecting to prevent those things is something I'm definitely against and has zero chance of changing my mind.
Those who take the right of life lose their own right.!!
That, that is a bit of a paradox, ironic