The arguments for and against the death penalty. (168)
OnlyLiveTwice: What's your opinion?
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OnlyLiveTwice: Historically, capital punishment has been used in almost every part of the world. Currently, the large majority of countries have either abolished or discontinued the practice.
What's your opinion?
It represents an ignorance of any meaningful dharma and is therefore complete stupidity.What's your opinion?
Mindsets of folks who think throw money at problems and it'll go away and or if that don't resolve an issue kill someone, displays an extreme level mindlessness.
Killing others creates the causes to be killed, not something else, the laws of course and effect are certain people engaged in killing others are sowing the seeds for themselves to be killed. Executed persons take rebirth as victims and so on in a cycle of stupidity century after century is recorded in history of the outcomes of taking the lives of others.
For those that are not used to using the grey matter between there ears. Be warned there is nothing on this planet that exists just from its own-side, every thing has its interdependence, that mountains form from quakes or plates being pushed up against each other. Pushing of plates as is occurring in the Himalayas also Australia is pushing up against Papua and mountains are increasing high there.
To think as you sow so shall you reap only applies in some mystical thought process, then please think again, all actions do have equal and opposite reactions, including murdering fellow humans and other beings. Victims created in past time for them to be called victim, in the manner unskillful conduct sowed the seeds of our tomorrows.
Harshly judging the karma's of others is a form of stupidity. Stupidity that can be described as fools crystal ball gazing who kid themselves they are saints, they are actually completely full-of-it morons.
Not one of us would be on planet earth if we hadn't created the suffering karmas to take rebirth here.
For the seriously deluded ones who think some god passed wind and you somehow took life or some like rubbish, nothing on this planet can become a nothing, there is not even the slightest chance there is a one god or one creator. The idiot like people i am referring to in this manner are the same clowns who happily create or support wars and engage in mass murder on a grand scale around the globe.
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No man is an island,
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.
Entire of itself.
Each is a piece of the continent,
A part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea,
Europe is the less.
As well as if a promontory were.
As well as if a manor of thine own
Or of thine friend's were.
Each man's death diminishes me,
For I am involved in mankind.
Therefore, send not to know
For whom the bell tolls,
It tolls for thee.
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The question is as follows: Have we established our justice systems out of a desire for rehabilitation, or out of a desire for retribution?
For me personally, I support the use of capital punishment. The main reason for that is, it gives the victims closure. An eye for an eye. What could be fairer than that?
For me personally, I support the use of capital punishment. The main reason for that is, it gives the victims closure. An eye for an eye. What could be fairer than that?
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OnlyLiveTwice: The question is as follows: Have we established our justice systems out of a desire for rehabilitation, or out of a desire for retribution?
For me personally, I support the use of capital punishment. The main reason for that is, it gives the victims closure. An eye for an eye. What could be fairer than that?
How come you get to decide that it gives victims closure?For me personally, I support the use of capital punishment. The main reason for that is, it gives the victims closure. An eye for an eye. What could be fairer than that?
It may give some people closure, but the reality in the US is that the appeals procedure goes on for so long, it keeps the victim experience for some people alive for decades. Life without the possibility of parole (not that I necessarily agree with that either, depending on the circumstances) may provide a swifter opportunity for healing.
There will also be some people for whom the execution of the perpetrator is a further burden.
Then there are the countries who execute people, some children and disabled people too, for political motives. If there isn't a victim, there can be no closure for a victim.
Execution punishes the family and friends of the person executed, or awaiting execution and they in turn become victims through no fault of their own.
There may be a handful of capital cases where the perpetrator is irredeemable, has no family, or friends, but then one ought to consider mental health issues. It is against international law to execute someone suffering from a mental, or physical disability, but Anti-Social Personality Disorder, sufferers previously being referred to as psychopaths, are excluded from this clause. Given the physical and psychiatric evidence with respect to psychopathy, I can only conclude that is for the purposes of vengeance and political popularity.
As for finances, it's far more costly to try a death penalty case than a non-death penalty case. Overall, the cost from pre-trial to execution is far higher than pre-trial to end of incarceration and would remain so even if all the appeals procedures were removed.
Of course, if the appeals procedures were removed and it didn't take so long to execute people, many more innocent people would be subject to state sanctioned murder. It has happened, it will continue to happen and it's too late to say sorry afterwards.
The earlier in a death penalty case that action is taken to avoid a sentence of execution, the greater the perpetrator has for life. Extend that retrospectively and channel finances into education, mental health and other social issues and there may be an opportunity to avoid the crime leading to the death penalty. That, however, doesn't feed into the political game of being tough on crime and it is a less well hidden expense.
The death penalty is a cruel punishment, but unfortunately not unusual in some countries.
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jac_the_gripper: How come you get to decide that it gives victims closure?
It may give some people closure, but the reality in the US is that the appeals procedure goes on for so long, it keeps the victim experience for some people alive for decades. Life without the possibility of parole (not that I necessarily agree with that either, depending on the circumstances) may provide a swifter opportunity for healing.
There will also be some people for whom the execution of the perpetrator is a further burden.
Then there are the countries who execute people, some children and disabled people too, for political motives. If there isn't a victim, there can be no closure for a victim.
Execution punishes the family and friends of the person executed, or awaiting execution and they in turn become victims through no fault of their own.
There may be a handful of capital cases where the perpetrator is irredeemable, has no family, or friends, but then one ought to consider mental health issues. It is against international law to execute someone suffering from a mental, or physical disability, but Anti-Social Personality Disorder, sufferers previously being referred to as psychopaths, are excluded from this clause. Given the physical and psychiatric evidence with respect to psychopathy, I can only conclude that is for the purposes of vengeance and political popularity.
As for finances, it's far more costly to try a death penalty case than a non-death penalty case. Overall, the cost from pre-trial to execution is far higher than pre-trial to end of incarceration and would remain so even if all the appeals procedures were removed.
Of course, if the appeals procedures were removed and it didn't take so long to execute people, many more innocent people would be subject to state sanctioned murder. It has happened, it will continue to happen and it's too late to say sorry afterwards.
The earlier in a death penalty case that action is taken to avoid a sentence of execution, the greater the perpetrator has for life. Extend that retrospectively and channel finances into education, mental health and other social issues and there may be an opportunity to avoid the crime leading to the death penalty. That, however, doesn't feed into the political game of being tough on crime and it is a less well hidden expense.
The death penalty is a cruel punishment, but unfortunately not unusual in some countries.
I agree with all the above.It may give some people closure, but the reality in the US is that the appeals procedure goes on for so long, it keeps the victim experience for some people alive for decades. Life without the possibility of parole (not that I necessarily agree with that either, depending on the circumstances) may provide a swifter opportunity for healing.
There will also be some people for whom the execution of the perpetrator is a further burden.
Then there are the countries who execute people, some children and disabled people too, for political motives. If there isn't a victim, there can be no closure for a victim.
Execution punishes the family and friends of the person executed, or awaiting execution and they in turn become victims through no fault of their own.
There may be a handful of capital cases where the perpetrator is irredeemable, has no family, or friends, but then one ought to consider mental health issues. It is against international law to execute someone suffering from a mental, or physical disability, but Anti-Social Personality Disorder, sufferers previously being referred to as psychopaths, are excluded from this clause. Given the physical and psychiatric evidence with respect to psychopathy, I can only conclude that is for the purposes of vengeance and political popularity.
As for finances, it's far more costly to try a death penalty case than a non-death penalty case. Overall, the cost from pre-trial to execution is far higher than pre-trial to end of incarceration and would remain so even if all the appeals procedures were removed.
Of course, if the appeals procedures were removed and it didn't take so long to execute people, many more innocent people would be subject to state sanctioned murder. It has happened, it will continue to happen and it's too late to say sorry afterwards.
The earlier in a death penalty case that action is taken to avoid a sentence of execution, the greater the perpetrator has for life. Extend that retrospectively and channel finances into education, mental health and other social issues and there may be an opportunity to avoid the crime leading to the death penalty. That, however, doesn't feed into the political game of being tough on crime and it is a less well hidden expense.
The death penalty is a cruel punishment, but unfortunately not unusual in some countries.
Good points Jac
Think also of the innocents who have been executed when they were not guilty and the lack of evidence.
Reminds me of the film about the life of David Gale who proved that point?
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Fo sho. The execution of innocents who are proven so after the fact is a very weak link in the pro-CP argument. And there have been so many!
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Let me throw in a question:
What does 'beyond all reasonable doubt' mean?
If you were a juror, how sure would you have to be that someone has committed a crime for you to say they are guilty?
99% sure?
95%?
50%?
What does 'beyond all reasonable doubt' mean?
If you were a juror, how sure would you have to be that someone has committed a crime for you to say they are guilty?
99% sure?
95%?
50%?
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95.7%
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mikey4691: ^^.. Stephen Michael West... From what I've heard on the news, this scum is scheduled for Aug 15-2019.. Good riddance, they should pick his skin off with a pair of pliers, and douse him in moonshine, before igniting..
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OnlyLiveTwice: 95.7%
I see you know the answer.Approximately 1 in 25 people sentenced to death in the US are thought to be innocent, roughly 4%.
There have been 1.5 thousand people executed since 1976 when the death penalty was reinstated, so around 60 of those people may have been innocent.
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OnlyLiveTwice: As is often the case, mitigating circumstances...
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jac_the_gripper: How come you get to decide that it gives victims closure?
It may give some people closure, but the reality in the US is that the appeals procedure goes on for so long, it keeps the victim experience for some people alive for decades. Life without the possibility of parole (not that I necessarily agree with that either, depending on the circumstances) may provide a swifter opportunity for healing.
There will also be some people for whom the execution of the perpetrator is a further burden.
Then there are the countries who execute people, some children and disabled people too, for political motives. If there isn't a victim, there can be no closure for a victim.
Execution punishes the family and friends of the person executed, or awaiting execution and they in turn become victims through no fault of their own.
There may be a handful of capital cases where the perpetrator is irredeemable, has no family, or friends, but then one ought to consider mental health issues. It is against international law to execute someone suffering from a mental, or physical disability, but Anti-Social Personality Disorder, sufferers previously being referred to as psychopaths, are excluded from this clause. Given the physical and psychiatric evidence with respect to psychopathy, I can only conclude that is for the purposes of vengeance and political popularity.
As for finances, it's far more costly to try a death penalty case than a non-death penalty case. Overall, the cost from pre-trial to execution is far higher than pre-trial to end of incarceration and would remain so even if all the appeals procedures were removed.
Of course, if the appeals procedures were removed and it didn't take so long to execute people, many more innocent people would be subject to state sanctioned murder. It has happened, it will continue to happen and it's too late to say sorry afterwards.
The earlier in a death penalty case that action is taken to avoid a sentence of execution, the greater the perpetrator has for life. Extend that retrospectively and channel finances into education, mental health and other social issues and there may be an opportunity to avoid the crime leading to the death penalty. That, however, doesn't feed into the political game of being tough on crime and it is a less well hidden expense.
The death penalty is a cruel punishment, but unfortunately not unusual in some countries.
"The earlier in a death penalty case that action is taken to avoid a sentence of execution, the greater the perpetrator has for life."It may give some people closure, but the reality in the US is that the appeals procedure goes on for so long, it keeps the victim experience for some people alive for decades. Life without the possibility of parole (not that I necessarily agree with that either, depending on the circumstances) may provide a swifter opportunity for healing.
There will also be some people for whom the execution of the perpetrator is a further burden.
Then there are the countries who execute people, some children and disabled people too, for political motives. If there isn't a victim, there can be no closure for a victim.
Execution punishes the family and friends of the person executed, or awaiting execution and they in turn become victims through no fault of their own.
There may be a handful of capital cases where the perpetrator is irredeemable, has no family, or friends, but then one ought to consider mental health issues. It is against international law to execute someone suffering from a mental, or physical disability, but Anti-Social Personality Disorder, sufferers previously being referred to as psychopaths, are excluded from this clause. Given the physical and psychiatric evidence with respect to psychopathy, I can only conclude that is for the purposes of vengeance and political popularity.
As for finances, it's far more costly to try a death penalty case than a non-death penalty case. Overall, the cost from pre-trial to execution is far higher than pre-trial to end of incarceration and would remain so even if all the appeals procedures were removed.
Of course, if the appeals procedures were removed and it didn't take so long to execute people, many more innocent people would be subject to state sanctioned murder. It has happened, it will continue to happen and it's too late to say sorry afterwards.
The earlier in a death penalty case that action is taken to avoid a sentence of execution, the greater the perpetrator has for life. Extend that retrospectively and channel finances into education, mental health and other social issues and there may be an opportunity to avoid the crime leading to the death penalty. That, however, doesn't feed into the political game of being tough on crime and it is a less well hidden expense.
The death penalty is a cruel punishment, but unfortunately not unusual in some countries.
Picture yourself as a juror on a case where someone killed your daughter or grandchild.
Can you in all honesty say that you would want them to have a chance to continue on with their life?
Giving them the chance to continue on with their life to celebrate birthdays, holidays, medical care, etc. while your family member is either buried in the cold hard ground or dispersed into ashes.
Why do you think the perpetrator deserves anything?
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jac_the_gripper:
Approximately 1 in 25 people sentenced to death in the US are thought to be innocent, roughly 4%.
Re your video posted, one of the most common arguments against CP is the idea of 'How can you penalise the act of murder by committing one?' This is based on the concept that everyone has the right to life. My reply is, if a murderer denies their victim that right, they should lose it themselves. Approximately 1 in 25 people sentenced to death in the US are thought to be innocent, roughly 4%.
It will always be a contested issue, and I reserve the right to change my mind about it in the future.
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secretagent09: "The earlier in a death penalty case that action is taken to avoid a sentence of execution, the greater the perpetrator has for life."
Picture yourself as a juror on a case where someone killed your daughter or grandchild.
Can you in all honesty say that you would want them to have a chance to continue on with their life?
Giving them the chance to continue on with their life to celebrate birthdays, holidays, medical care, etc. while your family member is either buried in the cold hard ground or dispersed into ashes.
Why do you think the perpetrator deserves anything?
For me, as it is for many people, the death penalty would be a greater burden.Picture yourself as a juror on a case where someone killed your daughter or grandchild.
Can you in all honesty say that you would want them to have a chance to continue on with their life?
Giving them the chance to continue on with their life to celebrate birthdays, holidays, medical care, etc. while your family member is either buried in the cold hard ground or dispersed into ashes.
Why do you think the perpetrator deserves anything?
I don't believe murder is justifiable. The death penalty is not self-defence.
I would not want the stress the appeals process lasting for decades hanging over me. It's a lot more difficult to appeal a life sentence than it is a death sentence.
At my age, the chances are I would die before the execution, so it would be a never ending process for the rest of my life. I think my life sentence would be difficult enough without having to deal with a death sentence.
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OnlyLiveTwice: Re your video posted, one of the most common arguments against CP is the idea of 'How can you penalise the act of murder by committing one?' This is based on the concept that everyone has the right to life. My reply is, if a murderer denies their victim that right, they should lose it themselves.
It will always be a contested issue, and I reserve the right to change my mind about it in the future.
Did you know that the death certificates of the executed in the US cite homicide as the cause of death?It will always be a contested issue, and I reserve the right to change my mind about it in the future.
Your argument is circular, or would be if the murder of the perpetrator wasn't state sanctioned.
I've been trying to find a particularly poignant interview with a Texas executioner who didn't come away unscathed from his experiences, but perhaps more disturbing is the executioner who remains unaffected. That would suggest a certain psychopathy.
Is it ethical to expect a person to be traumatised by performing executions, or to allow someone psychopathic to do them?
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