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Nov 3, 2021 1:26 AM CST Missing Australian child found
A four-year-old Australian girl abducted from her family’s camping tent 18 days ago has been found “alive and well”.

Police in Western Australia said on Wednesday that they found Cleo Smith alone in a locked house in the coastal town of Carnarvon, a short drive away from where she disappeared.

Well done to the Western Australian Police for their persistence in searching for this 4 year
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Nov 3, 2021 4:49 AM CST Missing Australian child found
Tiger_Moth: A four-year-old Australian girl abducted from her family’s camping tent 18 days ago has been found “alive and well”.

Police in Western Australia said on Wednesday that they found Cleo Smith alone in a locked house in the coastal town of Carnarvon, a short drive away from where she disappeared.

Well done to the Western Australian Police for their persistence in searching for this 4 year

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I didn't think she would be found alive , very lucky .
Nov 3, 2021 5:15 AM CST Missing Australian child found
epirb: I didn't think she would be found alive , very lucky .
Me neither. Not only has she been found but they have the guy as well.
Nov 3, 2021 5:34 AM CST Missing Australian child found
@ epirb and snowlynx

Great news for her family and just wonderful to hear the resilience of a 4 year old after 18 days in captivity when speaking to the police officers.

Miracles do happen it seems.

angel
Nov 3, 2021 5:49 AM CST Missing Australian child found
Tiger_Moth: @ epirb and snowlynx

Great news for her family and just wonderful to hear the resilience of a 4 year old after 18 days in captivity when speaking to the police officers.

Miracles do happen it seems.
Yes, a rare good news story.
Nov 3, 2021 6:15 AM CST Missing Australian child found
Tiger_Moth: A four-year-old Australian girl abducted from her family’s camping tent 18 days ago has been found “alive and well”.

Police in Western Australia said on Wednesday that they found Cleo Smith alone in a locked house in the coastal town of Carnarvon, a short drive away from where she disappeared.

Well done to the Western Australian Police for their persistence in searching for this 4 year

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I am so happy to see a happy ending, Welcome back Cleocheering
Nov 3, 2021 9:34 AM CST Missing Australian child found
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 7,849 Posts
I doubt it's all over for Cloe and her family.

It's fantastic that she's been found alive, but just because it's over for the police and public, it's not up to the media, or us to decide that the nightmare has ended.

What right do we have to be uplifted? Are we taking somethng for ourselves which will have an impact on Cloe in the years to come? Are we shutting off an avenue of her development by insisting that she's fine and that it's all over for her?

I wonder how she'll react to these media reports in 10, 15, 20 years time.
Nov 3, 2021 9:53 AM CST Missing Australian child found
jac_the_gripper: I doubt it's all over for Cloe and her family.

It's fantastic that she's been found alive, but just because it's over for the police and public, it's not up to the media, or us to decide that the nightmare has ended.

What right do we have to be uplifted? Are we taking somethng for ourselves which will have an impact on Cloe in the years to come? Are we shutting off an avenue of her development by insisting that she's fine and that it's all over for her?

I wonder how she'll react to these media reports in 10, 15, 20 years time.
Hush, or you get a spankin... scold

devil
Nov 3, 2021 10:27 AM CST Missing Australian child found
jac_the_gripper: I doubt it's all over for Cloe and her family.

It's fantastic that she's been found alive, but just because it's over for the police and public, it's not up to the media, or us to decide that the nightmare has ended.

What right do we have to be uplifted? Are we taking somethng for ourselves which will have an impact on Cloe in the years to come? Are we shutting off an avenue of her development by insisting that she's fine and that it's all over for her?

I wonder how she'll react to these media reports in 10, 15, 20 years time.
I'm sure that at this precise moment in time that Cleo's parents are just grateful to have her back in their arms. As a Mother yourself had it been your child wouldn't you be?

As for the aftermath that will ensue this abduction of course their will be repercussions ,delayed reactions,possible psychological damage but can we at least be grateful that the child was found alive before we start to nit pick
Nov 3, 2021 10:56 AM CST Missing Australian child found
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 7,849 Posts
Tiger_Moth: I'm sure that at this precise moment in time that Cleo's parents are just grateful to have her back in their arms. As a Mother yourself had it been your child wouldn't you be?

As for the aftermath that will ensue this abduction of course their will be repercussions ,delayed reactions,possible psychological damage but can we at least be grateful that the child was found alive before we start to nit pick
No, as a mother I wouldn't just be grateful for my child being back in my arms.

I wouldn't be thinking about how the child I had in my arms before and after being abducted by a man for 18 days might be very different.

Take a look at the language used in the media reports which is leading the language used here. Try to imagine reading this archive material in 10/15 years times from the perspective of a teenager trying to come to terms with the impact of this crime.

Generally, children are pretty eager to please. Cloe will be getting a lot of social reinforcement to smile, be happy, be grateful, be reslient because it makes us feel better that everything is okay.

Why are we expecting a four year old child who has been abducted, abandoned and lord knows what else inbetween, look after our wellbeing?
Nov 3, 2021 11:04 AM CST Missing Australian child found
jac_the_gripper: No, as a mother I wouldn't just be grateful for my child being back in my arms.

I wouldn't be thinking about how the child I had in my arms before and after being abducted by a man for 18 days might be very different.

Take a look at the language used in the media reports which is leading the language used here. Try to imagine reading this archive material in 10/15 years times from the perspective of a teenager trying to come to terms with the impact of this crime.

Generally, children are pretty eager to please. Cloe will be getting a lot of social reinforcement to smile, be happy, be grateful, be reslient because it makes us feel better that everything is okay.

Why are we expecting a four year old child who has been abducted, abandoned and lord knows what else inbetween, look after our wellbeing?
Her name is Cleo not Cloe and I'm not interested in what the media or even you think. I'm just grateful that the child was found alive.

Sorry if that offends you.
Nov 3, 2021 11:07 AM CST Missing Australian child found
jac_the_gripper: No, as a mother I wouldn't just be grateful for my child being back in my arms.

I wouldn't be thinking about how the child I had in my arms before and after being abducted by a man for 18 days might be very different.

Take a look at the language used in the media reports which is leading the language used here. Try to imagine reading this archive material in 10/15 years times from the perspective of a teenager trying to come to terms with the impact of this crime.

Generally, children are pretty eager to please. Cloe will be getting a lot of social reinforcement to smile, be happy, be grateful, be reslient because it makes us feel better that everything is okay.

Why are we expecting a four year old child who has been abducted, abandoned and lord knows what else inbetween, look after our wellbeing?
Well if it was my child , or grandchild, I'd be 100% thankful before I went and slowly killed the barstreward who abducted her. Oh, sorry, I'm not allowed to say thatvery mad
Nov 3, 2021 11:23 AM CST Missing Australian child found
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 7,849 Posts
Tiger_Moth: I'm not interested in what the media or even you think.
So why repost stuff from the media and create a thread based upon it?

Why reply to my posts?

You are interested, clearly.

Tiger_Moth: I'm just grateful that the child was found alive.
So you've said.

I'm going beyond being grateful she's been found alive. I'm thnking about how the media is potentially compounding her trauma because we're using her experience to sooth our own souls. Cleo is being further abused by us, not cared for.

Tiger_Moth: Sorry if that offends you.
I'm not offended. I'm discussing how it might be a further offence against the child.

Tiger_Moth: Her name is Cleo not Cloe
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Nov 3, 2021 12:30 PM CST Missing Australian child found
So long as the abductor treated her well, at her age, she probably wont remember much of this episode in her life, however, we all know that this isn't what's going to happen. The "grown up" community will not let this event simply die of old age but keep talking about it for years and this little angel will unfortunately have to relive this event for the rest of her life.
Nov 3, 2021 12:47 PM CST Missing Australian child found
ooby_dooby: So long as the abductor treated her well, at her age, she probably wont remember much of this episode in her life, however, we all know that this isn't what's going to happen. The "grown up" community will not let this event simply die of old age but keep talking about it for years and this little angel will unfortunately have to relive this event for the rest of her life.
At least she has a life.
Nov 3, 2021 12:49 PM CST Missing Australian child found
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 7,849 Posts
mikey4691: Hush, or you get a spankin...
Well, hang fire on the spanking for just a minute and let me argue this through, Mikey.

Our 'formative years' principally refers to ages 0-7 years when our brains, who we are, our influences and what we think are to a large extent formed. These early years tend to stay with us for most of our lives unless we put a lot of effort into reprogramming ourselves.

Trauma at this age tends to feck up our neurological development. It frequently leads to depression because the brain doesn't produce enough happy/motivation chemicals even into adulthood. In turn, self-medication as an adult with drugs, alcohol and other addictions boost those depleted happy/motivation chemicals.

So, this child has experienced a trauma in her formative years which has the potential to affect her for the rest of her life. It will likely get 'hard wired' into her brain, whatever that experience entailed.

We don't know the details of her experience, how she was abducted, whether she was lured, what went on in the 18 days she was missing. We all know she may have been manipulated with sweeties.

Now look at the photo of her where she's been given a lolly and been asked to perform, to smile and wave by a group of adults.

Who is in that room with her? Parents, medical staff, media...adults of many walks of life complicit in rewarding a four year old little girl with sweeties for performing the behaviours that give them what they want.

How might that reinforce a certain pattern of behaviours? How might that be saying it's acceptable for adults to get what they want and as a little girl you get praise and sweeties, acceptance and 'love' in return? How much pain is associated with this pattern for this child?

Wtf were these people doing, only thinking of their needs and with a complete disregard for the child's welfare, just like the man who abducted her?

Why didn't someone protect this child from this media abuse, or if someone tried, why weren't they listened to?

I'm not blaming the parents. They likely either don't understand the implcations of this, or are too traumatised themselves to think it through clearly. It's taken me a while and I'm not emotionally involved.

There is something seriously and systemically wrong that this media coverage exists in this style. If we reinforce it, we become complicit.
Nov 3, 2021 12:55 PM CST Missing Australian child found
jac_the_gripper
jac_the_gripperjac_the_gripperTonyrefail, South Glamorgan, Wales UK24 Threads 7,849 Posts
ooby_dooby: So long as the abductor treated her well, at her age, she probably wont remember much of this episode in her life, however, we all know that this isn't what's going to happen. The "grown up" community will not let this event simply die of old age but keep talking about it for years and this little angel will unfortunately have to relive this event for the rest of her life.
You don't think a four year old child will remember being abducted and not seeing her parents, family, home, toys and all that is familiar, safe and secure for 18 days?

What the child remembers and what she needs should be lead by her.
Nov 3, 2021 2:25 PM CST Missing Australian child found
Any word on the person that abducted the girl ? it may get swept under the carpet or hushed up to protect the abductor...
Nov 3, 2021 2:52 PM CST Missing Australian child found
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Mercedes_00online today!Mercedes_00Greater Sydney, New South Wales Australia22 Threads 31,060 Posts
I can't believe what I just read..I will keep it zipped & keep my happy thoughts about Cleo and the truth to myself
Nov 3, 2021 3:16 PM CST Missing Australian child found
jac_the_gripper: Well, hang fire on the spanking for just a minute and let me argue this through, Mikey.

Our 'formative years' principally refers to ages 0-7 years when our brains, who we are, our influences and what we think are to a large extent formed. These early years tend to stay with us for most of our lives unless we put a lot of effort into reprogramming ourselves.

Trauma at this age tends to feck up our neurological development. It frequently leads to depression because the brain doesn't produce enough happy/motivation chemicals even into adulthood. In turn, self-medication as an adult with drugs, alcohol and other addictions boost those depleted happy/motivation chemicals.

So, this child has experienced a trauma in her formative years which has the potential to affect her for the rest of her life. It will likely get 'hard wired' into her brain, whatever that experience entailed.

We don't know the details of her experience, how she was abducted, whether she was lured, what went on in the 18 days she was missing. We all know she may have been manipulated with sweeties.

Now look at the photo of her where she's been given a lolly and been asked to perform, to smile and wave by a group of adults.

Who is in that room with her? Parents, medical staff, media...adults of many walks of life complicit in rewarding a four year old little girl with sweeties for performing the behaviours that give them what they want.

How might that reinforce a certain pattern of behaviours? How might that be saying it's acceptable for adults to get what they want and as a little girl you get praise and sweeties, acceptance and 'love' in return? How much pain is associated with this pattern for this child?

Wtf were these people doing, only thinking of their needs and with a complete disregard for the child's welfare, just like the man who abducted her?

Why didn't someone protect this child from this media abuse, or if someone tried, why weren't they listened to?

I'm not blaming the parents. They likely either don't understand the implcations of this, or are too traumatised themselves to think it through clearly. It's taken me a while and I'm not emotionally involved.

There is something seriously and systemically wrong that this media coverage exists in this style. If we reinforce it, we become complicit.
Good lord Jac, ease up.. It's supposed to be a decent, feel good thread.. It rarely works out this well in real life, so don't bisch when it does.. JS.. tongue
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