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Apr 3, 2009 7:30 PM CST OBAMA Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Conrad73: Just frigging Confused,and in need of Meds!
Yeah you sure do need meds Conrad..... poor thing sigh rolling on the floor laughing
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ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
I did not read it all, to be honest with you.

But just a simple question for a old war horse like me.

What about 20,000 AlQueada in North AFrica? What about the
Abu Sydayu in the south Phillipines Islands that are aligned with
AlQeada? What the Islamic pirates off the West coast of Africa?

Sorry Dude....I don't buy the 'let us focus on Afghanistan and Pakistan routine or spel that is coming from President Obama.'
It nice to tell the world...that this is a limited regonal conflict to Afghanistan and Pakistan....the world wants to hear that. Obama tells people what they want to hear. And he is very good at doing just that.

So far this year alone.....nearly 100 vessels around the Gulf of Eden pirated. Another set of kidnapping of westerns in North Africa only a couple of weeks ago.

The world wants to down play the global aspects of this....end the rheotric of the Global War on Terror....a term by the way that the White House booted from DC talk a while back.

But not talking about it...does not mean it ain't happening.

I personally think that he has about much chance of getting bin Laden in Pakistan as man as has in winning the multi ball lotto and the UK football pools combined. He has no intel that bin Laden is in Pakistan....maybe in sheep herd in north Africa? maybe on a beach in south Phillipine Islands? maybe even West Bank sipping coffee? or Lebanon walking with Hezbollah types? let us not forget Iran and a what a nice relationship with President A he could have. Heck Dude seen any 6'4" Islamic fundamentists in Denmark recently?:-)

bin Laden is no fool. He has known for months now that Obama would come to Afghanistan and the Pakistan tribal areas looking for him. Why hang your turban where the man is going to look?

Sorry, Dude. Bin Laden is long gone. Obama is loosing the perspective of the conflict. Let us get bin Laden the bad guy of 9/11...when the greater issue is radical Islam and the over all
threat there.

I can appreciate that he wants to minimize the conflict....that logic says fewer people get hurt and involved. But the real deal is....we all are involved...and we all are targets....as long as terrorist can move around the world to pick their targets.
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agman
agmanagmanEagle, Idaho USA3,145 Posts
Yes, regrettably I have to acknowledge that the US military in
Afghanistan is a mistake. It is simply impossible to fight a
war in such rough country. Having the military crawl all over
the mountains there is simply impossible. So what good can
the US do their. Build infrastructure and educate the children
and supply medical care that the people like it so much that they
would not want to go back to the ways of the Taliban.

JM 2 cents.
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ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
And North Korea tamed?

The same North Korea that tore up 60 years of ceasefire agreements the day after Obama took the office? The North Korea that has been military alert almost every day since then? The North Korea that is about to launch a "satellite" into orbit....over the heads of Japan and the US Pacific fleet?

They are tame alright......LOL.......like a caged tiger, they are tamed. ROK and North Korean are some of the best fighters in the world, Dude. Their morning PT is about 2 hours of martial arts.

President Obama goes there with a smiley face and IPOD to give away....he will be lucky to have a one hand to hold the Queens the next time he sees her.
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ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
agman: Yes, regrettably I have to acknowledge that the US military in
Afghanistan is a mistake. It is simply impossible to fight a
war in such rough country. Having the military crawl all over
the mountains there is simply impossible. So what good can
the US do their. Build infrastructure and educate the children
and supply medical care that the people like it so much that they
would not want to go back to the ways of the Taliban.

JM 2 cents.


Why do that? The Taliban come to the village you built your infrastructure in....taught the girls to read and write in....
with that AK-47....agman..... they take it back.

Someone has to keep them from the infrasturcturer and good works you are doing.....that is where boots on the ground come into play. But the boots on the ground...need a chance for success. Moral is hard to keep alive when there 'is no end in sight'.

Without being able to enter Pakistan....anyone see an end in sight here?

Before we talked of how Afghanistan was like Vet Nam.....well guess what.....for most of the war....US forces would not cross in Laos to go after the VC camps there....not engage the North Vet along the HoCheMing trail.

So?

Not much difference now with US forces unable to enter Pakistan.
It is one of the same strategic mistake that LBJ made.
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ttom500: Why do that? The Taliban come to the village you built your infrastructure in....taught the girls to read and write in....
with that AK-47....agman..... they take it back.

Someone has to keep them from the infrasturcturer and good works you are doing.....that is where boots on the ground come into play. But the boots on the ground...need a chance for success. Moral is hard to keep alive when there 'is no end in sight'.

Without being able to enter Pakistan....anyone see an end in sight here?

Before we talked of how Afghanistan was like Vet Nam.....well guess what.....for most of the war....US forces would not cross in Laos to go after the VC camps there....not engage the North Vet along the HoCheMing trail.

So?

Not much difference now with US forces unable to enter Pakistan.
It is one of the same strategic mistake that LBJ made.

And when was the last war Denmark won, even when their own country was invaded? Yep, some of the best military minds in the world are from Denmark!
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Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
agman: Yes, regrettably I have to acknowledge that the US military in
Afghanistan is a mistake. It is simply impossible to fight a
war in such rough country. Having the military crawl all over
the mountains there is simply impossible. So what good can
the US do their. Build infrastructure and educate the children
and supply medical care that the people like it so much that they
would not want to go back to the ways of the Taliban.

JM 2 cents.


Yeah the battle is really hard and years and years of war have created a huge amount of people on talibanees side who get better paid being a talibanee than being ana fghani policeman or pakistani soldier and the flow of money from Saudies and some other arabic regims in the area makes them able doing so.......

but still....... now when Russia soon is going to cooporate fully with americans and China will play a role as well and even iranian will have to do the same then the battle will be easier to win and beside the new administraiton is more than aware about rebuilding the country after too many years of total destruction and powerty and violence.

Actually nothern part of Afghanistan is rather safe comparing to the rest of the country and that is mainly thanks to dutch soldiers and americans and british and other countries as well who are fighting the Taliban in a peacefull way and by rebuilding so more of this kind of fight and beside a very strong war agaisnt those with guns pointed on americans and their own people will lead to victory I am certain.
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ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
By the way Dude, I just the last piece of the puzzle on how the DEMs forced the US into a economic crisis this last fall in the election period.

Steve Forbes, a very smart business man mentioned it on Huckabee show tonight.

Prior to the bank collapse, via Barney Franks banking committee... forced the banks to devalue the holding value of the mortages that they held. With the property devalued in the bank's statement, the banks does not have the $s on the income side of the ledger.

What Franks DEM controlled committee did was to regulate the banks to value their mortages to 'a immediate sale value'. This would discount mortage and shrink the ledger side of a bank by millions and millions of dollars.

Ledger income side devalued below expense side....one has bankruptcy.

The DEM forced the economic crisis that the US and World face today. If this is what the Frank Committee did. Still checking facts here.

If so.....please find a new home for Franks and the DEMs that are on the banking committee in Denmark. They are no longer needed here in the US.
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Apr 4, 2009 9:26 PM CST OBAMA Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Here it is...

back March of 08....the gov forced the changing of apprasial of home values....with something called Home Value Code of Conduct.
This was for appraiser doing appraisals of homes going on the market.

Site....


What is important here is it did not just effect appriasers of homes on the market.....BUT.....also included banking and lender.

A quote from Fannie Mac

"We recognize that implimenting the Home Value Code of Conduct
will require significant changes in the appraisal practices and operations of Freddie Mac Sellers/Service, and may require a change of some of the lenders business models." Then the Fannie Mea says....at this time we are still putting this together. They left the lenders and Freddie Mac sellers in the dark to what the changes of this new Code would be. If business dislikes one thing, it is the unknown.

By forcing a change in the lender business models, Franks was now in the position to re-write the 'immediate valuation of the banks mortagages.

That is here:

On April 10th of 2008, Franks sends a rebuttal letter to the White House regarding the Fair Lending Act. A quote:

"Loans under this facility, as with "retail," as a loan-by-loan Title I would have to re-underwritten fully with documentation to income and appraised property value."

The new Home Value Code of Conduct...is going to now change the appraised values of million of home mortage being held by US banks. Mortage are on the income side of a banks ledger sheet.
They were re-written and devalued by this process.

site:


Franks in March of 2008 was already talking of crisis in the liquity capital markets. At speech to the Great Boston Chamber of Commerce he says:

"Reassess our Capital, Margin and Leverage requirements (and the nature of capital itself). This crisis has illustrated that seemingly well-capitalized institutions can be froozen when liquity runs dry and particular assets lose favor."

Same site....add..... press110.press0320092.shmtl

The first bank to fail by liquity was the Leahman Brothers on Sept. 14, 2008.

Franks was predicting bank liquity failures on 03/20/08 and calling it a "crisis". Yet according to him for the balance of the year, Freddie Mac and Freddie Mac are solid investments.

A crisis that he and other DEMs made for the Presidential campaign of 2008 and Barak Obama.

Take them to Denmark, Dude you can have them.
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Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: By the way Dude, I just the last piece of the puzzle on how the DEMs forced the US into a economic crisis this last fall in the election period.

Steve Forbes, a very smart business man mentioned it on Huckabee show tonight.

Prior to the bank collapse, via Barney Franks banking committee... forced the banks to devalue the holding value of the mortages that they held. With the property devalued in the bank's statement, the banks does not have the $s on the income side of the ledger.

What Franks DEM controlled committee did was to regulate the banks to value their mortages to 'a immediate sale value'. This would discount mortage and shrink the ledger side of a bank by millions and millions of dollars.

Ledger income side devalued below expense side....one has bankruptcy.

The DEM forced the economic crisis that the US and World face today. If this is what the Frank Committee did. Still checking facts here.

If so.....please find a new home for Franks and the DEMs that are on the banking committee in Denmark. They are no longer needed here in the US.
Yeah Right TT!!!!!!!!

the old stinky regim of theives and criminals have just left power in America and you republicans really belevie that ameircans are stupied ..... I might really surprise you TT.... Americans know already what the heck wwnt on during the dark years of W on power.... some rednecks and ever morons "might" beleive you guys but still hey........ they are the tiney minority now and wait at least a three and half years before talking in the direction you are talking now. roll eyes
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Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: Here it is...

back March of 08....the gov forced the changing of apprasial of home values....with something called Home Value Code of Conduct.
This was for appraiser doing appraisals of homes going on the market.

Site....


What is important here is it did not just effect appriasers of homes on the market.....BUT.....also included banking and lender.

A quote from Fannie Mac

"We recognize that implimenting the Home Value Code of Conduct
will require significant changes in the appraisal practices and operations of Freddie Mac Sellers/Service, and may require a change of some of the lenders business models." Then the Fannie Mea says....at this time we are still putting this together. They left the lenders and Freddie Mac sellers in the dark to what the changes of this new Code would be. If business dislikes one thing, it is the unknown.

By forcing a change in the lender business models, Franks was now in the position to re-write the 'immediate valuation of the banks mortagages.

That is here:

On April 10th of 2008, Franks sends a rebuttal letter to the White House regarding the Fair Lending Act. A quote:

"Loans under this facility, as with "retail," as a loan-by-loan Title I would have to re-underwritten fully with documentation to income and appraised property value."

The new Home Value Code of Conduct...is going to now change the appraised values of million of home mortage being held by US banks. Mortage are on the income side of a banks ledger sheet.
They were re-written and devalued by this process.

site:


Franks in March of 2008 was already talking of crisis in the liquity capital markets. At speech to the Great Boston Chamber of Commerce he says:

"Reassess our Capital, Margin and Leverage requirements (and the nature of capital itself). This crisis has illustrated that seemingly well-capitalized institutions can be froozen when liquity runs dry and particular assets lose favor."

Same site....add..... press110.press0320092.shmtl

The first bank to fail by liquity was the Leahman Brothers on Sept. 14, 2008.

Franks was predicting bank liquity failures on 03/20/08 and calling it a "crisis". Yet according to him for the balance of the year, Freddie Mac and Freddie Mac are solid investments.

A crisis that he and other DEMs made for the Presidential campaign of 2008 and Barak Obama.

Take them to Denmark, Dude you can have them.


none of your links works TT........ As usuual !

Already spinning? rolling on the floor laughing
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RobbieM
RobbieMRobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK115 Threads 6 Polls 4,553 Posts
Sensible debate isn't possible on this subject, the sooner it gets to page 50 and dies the betterdoh
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RobbieM: Sensible debate isn't possible on this subject, the sooner it gets to page 50 and dies the better
Don't worry,The Dudester has another Thread in the Making!!!!rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
























mumbling doh
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Apr 5, 2009 7:00 PM CST OBAMA Rocks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RobbieM: Looks like the secret service didn't shoot him after all.

Maybe someone else better crate him back up, post him to obama again and we cross our fingers this time

This lad has the manlove so bad it's an obsession!
Looks like he got away this time.laugh
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ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
rocketqueen: you are so very wrong.....and your stats that saddam was killing 495,000 of his own people PER year, were wrong too.....non of us believe you



Google up "Sadam Hussien Mass Burial Grounds"....you get 8,000 hits

I guess all those mass graves that they found in Iraq from Sadam time in power were just imagine burial grounds. Why did they sentence Sadam to death? If he was a fatherly type that loved his fellow country men?

They had at least 20 mass burial ground of between 400 and 2000 that were uncovered......how many have never been found? God only know. God only knows the number he and his regeime killed.

Believe what you will.....
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Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
RobbieM: Looks like the secret service didn't shoot him after all.

Maybe someone else better crate him back up, post him to obama again and we cross our fingers this time

This lad has the manlove so bad it's an obsession!
How are you any way Robbie? How is ur health and every thing? I hope you got over the hard time you experienced.

What is worng being a fan of a real capeble individual who are at a jobso important for all of us Robbie?

Secret service shooting me? Why because I am right or dreaming a bout better times for humanity after those dark years of stupidity on power in most countries on the entire planet?
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Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
ttom500: Google up "Sadam Hussien Mass Burial Grounds"....you get 8,000 hits

I guess all those mass graves that they found in Iraq from Sadam time in power were just imagine burial grounds. Why did they sentence Sadam to death? If he was a fatherly type that loved his fellow country men?

They had at least 20 mass burial ground of between 400 and 2000 that were uncovered......how many have never been found? God only know. God only knows the number he and his regeime killed.

Believe what you will.....


Or Google up : "Bush murder" you get 17,000,000 hits!

Read this book it will be great for you TT:

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Hot_Single_Dude
Hot_Single_DudeHot_Single_DudeKobenhavn, Capital Region Denmark68 Threads 73 Polls 11,289 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Or Google up : "Bush murder" you get 17,000,000 hits!

Read this book it will be great for you TT:



A real patriot talks:

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ttom500
ttom500ttom500St. Cloud, Florida USA30 Threads 5 Polls 10,523 Posts
Hot_Single_Dude: Or Google up : "Bush murder" you get 17,000,000 hits!

Read this book it will be great for you TT:



Dude you just hate the even the idea that GWB had a moral justification for going into Iraq. That a conservative, Republican, Christan President...could do what a liberal Bill Clinton did in Kosovo. Just on a much larger scale.

The 17,000,000 hits......Dude......I wager most are from the bleeding finger tips of far lefters around the world. All trying to justify leaving Sadam Hussien in power these last 8 years.

Just stop and think for a moment. Sadam Hussien had 26 palaces, had robbed the Iraqi people of the UN Oil for Food, and if my figure of 495,000 deaths is to high for some here.....he surely had a ongoing internal program for killing Iraqi that was in opposition to him. He was not coming of power without a fight.
If there was a man stealing from and oppressing his fellow countrymen...it was Sadam Hussien.

The point I make here is this. Iraq with Sadam in power for the last 8 years was an Iraq headed into even worse conditions than what one was there last couple of years. It was surely headed into civil war. I assure you....from what I know of our US civil war....they are much more deadly to civilian and soldier than what occurred in Iraq these last years.

The American presence there.....in my opinion.....because I
know the US military.....saved many Iraqi lives. We have data
on the numbers of Iraqi that were treated in our mobile hospitals....1000s were. We have the food and community medical programs that were brought in. And the security that kept 100s of vehicles bombs from their targets.

Vehicle bombs were going to be used in this Iraqi civil war, Dude. As surely as you and me sit here and type.

Think what Obama did inherit in the Middle East. 1000s of foreign fighters captured. A Iran that has a US military presence on all sides. With a Persian Gulf that the west still controls. Oil is still flowing thru the straits....and down the pipelines. The later two....are vital to the world's economy

Imagine if the US presence was not there. Iran controlling the Persian Gulf. Sadam still in power with his sons waiting in line to take power. Kurds in the north and Shia in the south ....well not in a good situation. Israel in talks with Syria, Lebanon and Palestine (Fatah party).

He could have gotten a lot worse as a inheritance from GWB in the middle east. If all GWB did was go to Afghanistan after 9/11,
that is all that would have been accomplished in the middle east.
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rocketqueen
rocketqueenrocketqueengeelong, Victoria Australia23 Threads 1 Polls 2,003 Posts
ttom500: Google up "Sadam Hussien Mass Burial Grounds"....you get 8,000 hits

I guess all those mass graves that they found in Iraq from Sadam time in power were just imagine burial grounds. Why did they sentence Sadam to death? If he was a fatherly type that loved his fellow country men?

They had at least 20 mass burial ground of between 400 and 2000 that were uncovered......how many have never been found? God only know. God only knows the number he and his regeime killed.

Believe what you will.....



if your going to come in here and shoot yer opinion off the least you could do is get your stats correct......your only making your self look ridiculous in other peoples eyes
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