Ulimaroa: You need to see HIM crucified first, no?
Resurrected, or what? And whats wrong with Asclepius, he didnt stay single, but got married and had kids... die we all do, maybe not as "flash" as he did, but so what?
Actually, no, crucifixion is not required. I can understand the excitement and allure to his candidacy and presidency, however, I believe the statement(s) given to begin this thread are skewed, ad hominum and impulsive. His first day starts today...let's see what happens. The world has not changed in the demeanor to which you proclaim it will in the history of mankind...perspectives, strategies, and structures change...human morality and its non-existence in reality does not. We create freedom to judge and find guilt...think about it.
shakespeare09: Actually, no, crucifixion is not required. I can understand the excitement and allure to his candidacy and presidency, however, I believe the statement(s) given to begin this thread are skewed, ad hominum and impulsive. His first day starts today...let's see what happens. The world has not changed in the demeanor *1 to which you proclaim it will in the history of mankind...perspectives, strategies, and structures change..*2 human morality and its non-existence in reality does not. We create freedom to judge and find guilt...think about it.
Excuse me....
do any of you just waffle on, or do you ever watch the news???
Today, HIS first action reported on CNN:
" Obama's administration was already in action Tuesday, ordering a 120-day halt to prosecutions of suspected terrorists at the U.S. prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to review the military commissions that try them.
Papers filed at the U.S. prison camp said the request is made "in the interest of justice and at the direction of the president of the United States."
I or we in Europe didnt proclaim it will, your president did.
do any of you just waffle on, or do you ever watch the news???
Today, HIS first action reported on CNN:
" Obama's administration was already in action Tuesday, ordering a 120-day halt to prosecutions of suspected terrorists at the U.S. prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to review the military commissions that try them.
Papers filed at the U.S. prison camp said the request is made "in the interest of justice and at the direction of the president of the United States."
I or we in Europe didnt proclaim it will, your president did.
Sounds like a good start. Now, give these criminals there due rights and send them home if we got nothing on them.
do any of you just waffle on, or do you ever watch the news???
Today, HIS first action reported on CNN:
" Obama's administration was already in action Tuesday, ordering a 120-day halt to prosecutions of suspected terrorists at the U.S. prison camp at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to review the military commissions that try them.
Papers filed at the U.S. prison camp said the request is made "in the interest of justice and at the direction of the president of the United States."
I or we in Europe didnt proclaim it will, your president did.
First of all, as I sit here laughing at your ignorance, allow me to mock you. The term waffle is defined as a thin, crisp pancake. Also, the news is a source of entertainment, not many intellectual people take it as "truth." As far as the prison camps in Guantanamo Bay, these are attempts to quell the public into believing change is established. Unfortunately, immediate change does not lead to encompassing and lasting change. Guantanamo has been in the works for nearly 14 months...do you really believe that he woke up today and *poof* resolution absolved. How naive and ignorant are you...perhaps you should stay away from the television and read a book. I recommend the Death of Socrates...since clearly you have no understanding of Asclepius or the context to the sarcasm I was exhibiting in the thread noted above. And as stated before, justice and injustice are a matter of perspective not a credence of dogma as you propose.
Thank you for your understanding. As far as the effects of 9/11, Katrina, and Guantanomo...they have not reached me directly. I can render a list of human prejudices and moral atrocities that would expunge time itself. My only premise is that this man will not change the morality of our culture. It seems as if cause and effect are misplaced in today's society. Change in the world cannot precede change within ourselves. It is so very frustrating to see people cling to "supposed" icons with their opulent words and charismatic confidence, as if they were winged seraphs and we could reach out and grasp their wings as they ascend...lifting us out of our own spiritual depression. My words to you are very straightforward...cling to the doves within your own heart and ascend to the unmatched heights of your own dreams not the illusions of another's. Only then can the world truly change.
shakespeare09: Thank you for your understanding. As far as the effects of 9/11, Katrina, and Guantanomo...they have not reached me directly. I can render a list of human prejudices and moral atrocities that would expunge time itself. My only premise is that this man will not change the morality of our culture. It seems as if cause and effect are misplaced in today's society. Change in the world cannot precede change within ourselves. It is so very frustrating to see people cling to "supposed" icons with their opulent words and charismatic confidence, as if they were winged seraphs and we could reach out and grasp their wings as they ascend...lifting us out of our own spiritual depression. My words to you are very straightforward...cling to the doves within your own heart and ascend to the unmatched heights of your own dreams not the illusions of another's. Only then can the world truly change.
I have to now eat my biologically and humane farmed fish fingers... will be back later.
shakespeare09: Thank you for your understanding. As far as the effects of 9/11, Katrina, and Guantanomo...they have not reached me directly. I can render a list of human prejudices and moral atrocities that would expunge time itself. My only premise is that this man will not change the morality of our culture. It seems as if cause and effect are misplaced in today's society. Change in the world cannot precede change within ourselves. It is so very frustrating to see people cling to "supposed" icons with their opulent words and charismatic confidence, as if they were winged seraphs and we could reach out and grasp their wings as they ascend...lifting us out of our own spiritual depression. My words to you are very straightforward...cling to the doves within your own heart and ascend to the unmatched heights of your own dreams not the illusions of another's. Only then can the world truly change.
I interpret these lines, well, this is how it reads to me, you personally have misgivings, are "frustrated" not having yourself been elected President???
Indyfella: Well, if a Danish pastry is a "dinner". Now, to be fare Dude, she should pay half. In a fair and just society.
Indy Indy Indy.. as usual you are inderstimating the person you are against or dislike.... you did exactly the same regarding the new president of your country and you were absolutely wrong about that.... you see?
Denmark is a country with at least a tousand years of cultur and Pastry is not the only thing we make around here. When I invite some body I pay and thats it! Do you want me to make fun of american kitchen or some thing? I wont Mister
trish123: Hey Dude - Im with you on lookin at this from the European perspective - the guy is a smile from a distance, he is sunshine on a rainy day - he is HOPE...........
Okietony: Ok, I've read most of the posts on here. I understand that many of you obviously are Obama supporters. I respect that you guys think he's America's savior. BUT.....Can anyone fill me in on what specific changes he plans to make? I honestly have no clue. I did hear him at the Democratic Convention, and I heard vows of WHAT he plans to change (which was everything), but no real explination of HOW he plans to change things. Don't get me wrong, I hope to hell he does make some changes, but I've heard nothing thus far to indicate that he has a real PLAN of "change".
Day one in office.........
-All decicions and regulations of the Bushney,s are suspended until they all are reviewed.
-Gitmo is going to close in a year from now.
-American soldiers will be drawn from Iraq in maximum a year from now
-Paymnets to the new administration is freesed because of the economichal situation
-No payment anf gifts from lobbyists is allowed
-The ban for travelling to Cuba from America is finally over and cuban americans can travel there to visit their families because the new president is aware about sanctions and threats and bans and Evil carelessness (even after horrible tornadoes) is not the way forward at all!
All this in just One day Okie!
If this is not change I have no idea what change is then!
Wait and see Mister..... this guy is going to shake Washignton back to the hands of decent and real servents of american people and he means business I promise you!Gosh I am so jeleous about you guys having a president like this honorable man!
Hot_Single_Dude: Indy Indy Indy.. as usual you are inderstimating the person you are against or dislike.... you did exactly the same regarding the new president of your country and you were absolutely wrong about that.... you see?
Denmark is a country with at least a tousand years of cultur and Pastry is not the only thing we make around here. When I invite some body I pay and thats it! Do you want me to make fun of american kitchen or some thing? I wont Mister
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Resurrected, or what? And whats wrong with Asclepius,
he didnt stay single, but
got married and had kids...
die we all do,
maybe not as "flash" as he did,
but so what?
Actually, no, crucifixion is not required. I can understand the excitement and allure to his candidacy and presidency, however, I believe the statement(s) given to begin this thread are skewed, ad hominum and impulsive. His first day starts today...let's see what happens. The world has not changed in the demeanor to which you proclaim it will in the history of mankind...perspectives, strategies, and structures change...human morality and its non-existence in reality does not. We create freedom to judge and find guilt...think about it.