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Albertaghost: Could you please document the US military creating the Taliban as from what I understand, the Taliban did not come into being until after the Soviets had left and, after a civil war between the rival warlords that were left.
As well, please also provide some facts from credible sources that show how Osama Bin Laden was trained by the US Military and the CIA as from what I understand, he was in Pakistan providing support for the Mujaheddin during the war with the Soviets and was not involved with the US.
As well, please also provide some facts from credible sources that show how Osama Bin Laden was trained by the US Military and the CIA as from what I understand, he was in Pakistan providing support for the Mujaheddin during the war with the Soviets and was not involved with the US.
Maybe you should try to contact the CIA, and contact a gentleman called Clark.
I can't remember if his name ended with an E, because it's been some time and have obviously become senile since the 1980's.
It's in the public domain, so they won't mind.
From memory i think his first name might have been Richard.
He's credited officially as being the CIA's man in the region, acting as the conduit to train supply and fund the shall we just call them Afghans, specifically with Stinger surface to Air Missiles.You'll also probably not be surprised that our SAS helped with the training of the Mujaheddin.
You'll know when you hit the right gentleman, as he's quite specific about leakage regarding these missile systems that were run through the District office of M16 in Pakistan.
As for internet quotes for you, i have no idea...so you'll have to look in the reliable media, like the times, or contact the BBC or Channel 4 for some of the footage where he will speak on the matter to convince yourself the information is reliable.
All of the above is in the public domain, otherwise i wouldn't even mention the gentlemans name.....but again cant remember if it wa with or without an E.
RobbieM: Maybe you should try to contact the CIA, and contact a gentleman called Clark.
I can't remember if his name ended with an E, because it's been some time and have obviously become senile since the 1980's.
It's in the public domain, so they won't mind.
From memory i think his first name might have been Richard.
He's credited officially as being the CIA's man in the region, acting as the conduit to train supply and fund the shall we just call them Afghans, specifically with Stinger surface to Air Missiles.You'll also probably not be surprised that our SAS helped with the training of the Mujaheddin.
You'll know when you hit the right gentleman, as he's quite specific about leakage regarding these missile systems that were run through the District office of M16 in Pakistan.
As for internet quotes for you, i have no idea...so you'll have to look in the reliable media, like the times, or contact the BBC or Channel 4 for some of the footage where he will speak on the matter to convince yourself the information is reliable.
All of the above is in the public domain, otherwise i wouldn't even mention the gentlemans name.....but again cant remember if it wa with or without an E.
I can't remember if his name ended with an E, because it's been some time and have obviously become senile since the 1980's.
It's in the public domain, so they won't mind.
From memory i think his first name might have been Richard.
He's credited officially as being the CIA's man in the region, acting as the conduit to train supply and fund the shall we just call them Afghans, specifically with Stinger surface to Air Missiles.You'll also probably not be surprised that our SAS helped with the training of the Mujaheddin.
You'll know when you hit the right gentleman, as he's quite specific about leakage regarding these missile systems that were run through the District office of M16 in Pakistan.
As for internet quotes for you, i have no idea...so you'll have to look in the reliable media, like the times, or contact the BBC or Channel 4 for some of the footage where he will speak on the matter to convince yourself the information is reliable.
All of the above is in the public domain, otherwise i wouldn't even mention the gentlemans name.....but again cant remember if it wa with or without an E.
IOWs, there is no proof of this and you read it somewhere or another or whatever at onetime and now, it the truth.
Riiiight .......
And of course, all of your other lies are founded on similar non fact that only you can substantiate but just won't because it is up to us to find your proof to support your lies.
Riiight .....
Trealach01: Two points:
1 - No Military in the world has ever beaten a 'terrorist' group. It is impossible since they depend on being clandestine. Ask the Brits about their 800 year experience with the Irish - they NEVER beat the IRA, as Tony Blair said in the British parliament, "We will never beat the IRA because we don't know who they are!" so they negotiated a Peace Agreement
2. - America has NEVER won a war on its own - all talk and NO results - so who are you suggesting should take out the "ghost" - Taliban?
1 - No Military in the world has ever beaten a 'terrorist' group. It is impossible since they depend on being clandestine. Ask the Brits about their 800 year experience with the Irish - they NEVER beat the IRA, as Tony Blair said in the British parliament, "We will never beat the IRA because we don't know who they are!" so they negotiated a Peace Agreement
2. - America has NEVER won a war on its own - all talk and NO results - so who are you suggesting should take out the "ghost" - Taliban?
You actually expect me to look on the internet, to find you a documentary so you can watch it?
Your an idiot...contact the BBC, it's a historical fact.
Your an idiot...contact the BBC, it's a historical fact.
RobbieM: You actually expect me to look on the internet, to find you a documentary so you can watch it?
Your an idiot...contact the BBC, it's a historical fact.
Your an idiot...contact the BBC, it's a historical fact.
Who you talking to Robbie.
Ccincy: Who you talking to Robbie.
Albertghost.
For some reason he thinks i come on the website, to spout and provide a bibligraphy!
Lazy, lazy lazy......Alberta, you go find the sources yourself.
I'm not into wasting my time arguing and documenting everything for no purpose to argue with people without being paid for the privilege.
If you want me to find you some reports, video, of this gentleman, and from memory there were only 2 men representing the CIA at the time, in theatre......and do you know why?
The reason is simple, The British have and still have the most effective Assets in the Region.I have 2 friends who served for Townsend Brown in Berlin, at the end of the WW2 as well, debriefing captured germans.
Nothing that she told me is likely to be found on the internet, and more importantly if it were it would be distorted.
A also know a former British Military at-ache, who lives in Wimbledon, who has all sorts of interesting memories, and the association of former intelligence officers meet at a place in Buckinghamshire to catch up.His wife is a Muslim, from Egypt.....and somehow i doubt anything he told me is available on the internet.Last time i spent with him was in Jan this year.
Did i mention i have friends who've served, and one relative in the SAS? Former Girlfriend had the CO from the SAS living in her village....he still runs the Northern Marathons in this country for charity.
So yeah, I get all my information from Alex Jones and Cheech and Chong and the National Enquirer.
What a joke.When you know some former operational assets you might not place so much emphasis on crap you read on the net.
RobbieM: Albertghost.
For some reason he thinks i come on the website, to spout and provide a bibligraphy!
Lazy, lazy lazy......Alberta, you go find the sources yourself.
I'm not into wasting my time arguing and documenting everything for no purpose to argue with people without being paid for the privilege.
If you want me to find you some reports, video, of this gentleman, and from memory there were only 2 men representing the CIA at the time, in theatre......and do you know why?
The reason is simple, The British have and still have the most effective Assets in the Region.I have 2 friends who served for Townsend Brown in Berlin, at the end of the WW2 as well, debriefing captured germans.
Nothing that she told me is likely to be found on the internet, and more importantly if it were it would be distorted.
A also know a former British Military at-ache, who lives in Wimbledon, who has all sorts of interesting memories, and the association of former intelligence officers meet at a place in Buckinghamshire to catch up.His wife is a Muslim, from Egypt.....and somehow i doubt anything he told me is available on the internet.Last time i spent with him was in Jan this year.
Did i mention i have friends who've served, and one relative in the SAS? Former Girlfriend had the CO from the SAS living in her village....he still runs the Northern Marathons in this country for charity.
So yeah, I get all my information from Alex Jones and Cheech and Chong and the National Enquirer.
What a joke.When you know some former operational assets you might not place so much emphasis on crap you read on the net.
For some reason he thinks i come on the website, to spout and provide a bibligraphy!
Lazy, lazy lazy......Alberta, you go find the sources yourself.
I'm not into wasting my time arguing and documenting everything for no purpose to argue with people without being paid for the privilege.
If you want me to find you some reports, video, of this gentleman, and from memory there were only 2 men representing the CIA at the time, in theatre......and do you know why?
The reason is simple, The British have and still have the most effective Assets in the Region.I have 2 friends who served for Townsend Brown in Berlin, at the end of the WW2 as well, debriefing captured germans.
Nothing that she told me is likely to be found on the internet, and more importantly if it were it would be distorted.
A also know a former British Military at-ache, who lives in Wimbledon, who has all sorts of interesting memories, and the association of former intelligence officers meet at a place in Buckinghamshire to catch up.His wife is a Muslim, from Egypt.....and somehow i doubt anything he told me is available on the internet.Last time i spent with him was in Jan this year.
Did i mention i have friends who've served, and one relative in the SAS? Former Girlfriend had the CO from the SAS living in her village....he still runs the Northern Marathons in this country for charity.
So yeah, I get all my information from Alex Jones and Cheech and Chong and the National Enquirer.
What a joke.When you know some former operational assets you might not place so much emphasis on crap you read on the net.
Even if you provide them proof they still find some reason to find fault with it.
RobbieM: Albertghost.
For some reason he thinks i come on the website, to spout and provide a bibligraphy!
For some reason he thinks i come on the website, to spout and provide a bibligraphy!
Actually i know you don\'t as you simply spew lies and then refuse to back them up with any semblance of proof.
RobbieM: Lazy, lazy lazy......Alberta, you go find the sources yourself.
I'm not into wasting my time arguing and documenting everything for no purpose to argue with people without being paid for the privilege.
I'm not into wasting my time arguing and documenting everything for no purpose to argue with people without being paid for the privilege.
Of course you are not going to waste your time argueing with people as you cannot support the garbage you spew out. As for me being lazy far from it. I know that you are lying from conducting extensive reading and research into these matters after dealing with people like you over the years. People who spew out distortions of the truth along with outright lies.
for example, Peter Bergan, one of the world's formost Bibn laden experts and, one who has interviewed him is emphatic that he was not created by the US in any way shape or form and, states that that is the one thing on which both the US and Bin Laden both agree one.
You can read it here;
Five myths about Osama bin Laden
By Peter Bergen, Published: May 6:
Few individuals in recent history have exerted greater influence on world events than Osama bin Laden — and even fewer have inspired as much mythology. From the origins of the al-Qaeda terrorist network to the devastation of Sept. 11, 2001, to the manhunt that came to an end with such drama last Sunday, bin Laden’s life has been shrouded in mysteries and misconceptions.
1. The CIA created Osama bin Laden.
Common among conspiracy theorists is the notion that bin Laden was a CIA creation and that the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, were blowback from an agency operation gone awry. Typifying this view is filmmaker Michael Moore, who on the day after the terrorist attacks wrote: “WE created the monster known as Osama bin Laden! Where did he go to terrorist school? At the CIA!”
In fact, during the Soviet war in Afghanistan during the 1980s, the CIA had no dealings with “Afghan Arabs” such as bin Laden and had few direct dealings with any of the Afghan mujaheddin. Instead, all U.S. aid to Afghanistan was funneled through Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency, the ISI. Brigadier Mohammad Yousaf, the ISI officer who coordinated Pakistani efforts during the war, explained in “The Bear Trap,” his 1992 book: “No Americans ever trained or had direct contact with the mujaheddin.”
Since 9/11, al-Qaeda insiders have responded in writing to assertions that they had some kind of relationship with the CIA. Bin Laden’s top lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri, in his autobiographical “Knights Under the Banner of the Prophet,” wrote, “The truth that everyone should learn is that the United States did not give one penny in aid to the mujaheddin.” Similarly, Abu Musab al-Suri, long an associate of bin Laden’s, explained in his history of the jihadist movement, “The Call to Global Islamic Resistance”: “It is a big lie that the Afghan Arabs were formed with the backing of the CIA.”
There are very few things that al-Qaeda and the CIA agree upon — except that they have never had any relationship.
By Peter Bergen, Published: May 6:
Few individuals in recent history have exerted greater influence on world events than Osama bin Laden — and even fewer have inspired as much mythology. From the origins of the al-Qaeda terrorist network to the devastation of Sept. 11, 2001, to the manhunt that came to an end with such drama last Sunday, bin Laden’s life has been shrouded in mysteries and misconceptions.
1. The CIA created Osama bin Laden.
Common among conspiracy theorists is the notion that bin Laden was a CIA creation and that the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001, were blowback from an agency operation gone awry. Typifying this view is filmmaker Michael Moore, who on the day after the terrorist attacks wrote: “WE created the monster known as Osama bin Laden! Where did he go to terrorist school? At the CIA!”
In fact, during the Soviet war in Afghanistan during the 1980s, the CIA had no dealings with “Afghan Arabs” such as bin Laden and had few direct dealings with any of the Afghan mujaheddin. Instead, all U.S. aid to Afghanistan was funneled through Pakistan’s Inter-Services Intelligence agency, the ISI. Brigadier Mohammad Yousaf, the ISI officer who coordinated Pakistani efforts during the war, explained in “The Bear Trap,” his 1992 book: “No Americans ever trained or had direct contact with the mujaheddin.”
Since 9/11, al-Qaeda insiders have responded in writing to assertions that they had some kind of relationship with the CIA. Bin Laden’s top lieutenant, Ayman al-Zawahiri, in his autobiographical “Knights Under the Banner of the Prophet,” wrote, “The truth that everyone should learn is that the United States did not give one penny in aid to the mujaheddin.” Similarly, Abu Musab al-Suri, long an associate of bin Laden’s, explained in his history of the jihadist movement, “The Call to Global Islamic Resistance”: “It is a big lie that the Afghan Arabs were formed with the backing of the CIA.”
There are very few things that al-Qaeda and the CIA agree upon — except that they have never had any relationship.
RobbieM:
What a joke.When you know some former operational assets you might not place so much emphasis on crap you read on the net.
What a joke.When you know some former operational assets you might not place so much emphasis on crap you read on the net.
Good proof Robbie! And when you were brought up to the mother ship, did the probing give you pleasure or pain?
Ccincy: Even if you provide them proof they still find some reason to find fault with it.
You mean even when they evade giving proof and then, when cornered, finally give a link to a silly you tube vid some clown made in his basement we find fault with it.
Albertaghost: You mean even when they evade giving proof and then, when cornered, finally give a link to a silly you tube vid some clown made in his basement we find fault with it.
Al is the internet anymore reliable? I google and at times have used snopes but does it mean they're absolute?
Why do epople have to be challenged almost everytime they post something or accused of flip flopping? Not saying you accused anyone of flip flopping.JMO
Ccincy: Al is the internet anymore reliable? I google and at times have used snopes but does it mean they're absolute?
Why do epople have to be challenged almost everytime they post something or accused of flip flopping? Not saying you accused anyone of flip flopping.JMO
Why do epople have to be challenged almost everytime they post something or accused of flip flopping? Not saying you accused anyone of flip flopping.JMO
Sorry meant people.
RobbieM: You actually expect me to look on the internet, to find you a documentary so you can watch it?
Your an idiot...contact the BBC, it's a historical fact.
I wouldn't accept a vid or documentary Robbie. I would however accept statements and historical articles that can be corroborated with other articles and statements of high ranking officials though.
You do know what history and statements are don't you? Or is it something you and your insider friends keep to themselves?
Now, have you any proof the the CIA trained Bin Laden, set up the Taliban and have you any timelines to show us where these events occurred and, have you any quotes from Bin Laden or Mullah Omar stating anything of the sort?
Your an idiot
Your an idiot...contact the BBC, it's a historical fact.
I wouldn't accept a vid or documentary Robbie. I would however accept statements and historical articles that can be corroborated with other articles and statements of high ranking officials though.
You do know what history and statements are don't you? Or is it something you and your insider friends keep to themselves?
Now, have you any proof the the CIA trained Bin Laden, set up the Taliban and have you any timelines to show us where these events occurred and, have you any quotes from Bin Laden or Mullah Omar stating anything of the sort?
Your an idiot
If I'm an idiot, why is it that I can both prove a negative and, prove you wrong as well by quoting one of the world's foremost experts on Bin Laden and you can't even support your point with even a bogus attempt.
I mean, 'I have these secret SAS friends and they told me this and that....' really doesn't hold much water on a debate forums Robbie.
Oh, nice insult. Seems you have reached the end of logical discussion and, due to lack of being able to prove any of your points, need to lash out with something. When in doubt, insult I suppose is your motto.
Albertaghost: If I'm an idiot, why is it that I can both prove a negative and, prove you wrong as well by quoting one of the world's foremost experts on Bin Laden and you can't even support your point with even a bogus attempt.
I mean, 'I have these secret SAS friends and they told me this and that....' really doesn't hold much water on a debate forums Robbie.
Oh, nice insult. Seems you have reached the end of logical discussion and, due to lack of being able to prove any of your points, need to lash out with something. When in doubt, insult I suppose is your motto.
I mean, 'I have these secret SAS friends and they told me this and that....' really doesn't hold much water on a debate forums Robbie.
Oh, nice insult. Seems you have reached the end of logical discussion and, due to lack of being able to prove any of your points, need to lash out with something. When in doubt, insult I suppose is your motto.
Al wait til someone insults you by saying that you look like you walk the streets.
Ccincy: Al wait til someone insults you by saying that you look like you walk the streets.
Well Cc same could be said about you, seems like I remember you saying "he must be on drugs or drunk"
bodleing: Like it or not, the Taliban rule the major part of Afghanistan.
And personally, I think they need a good talking to.
And personally, I think they need a good talking to.
Like what are we going to say to them? You win and we lose?
That goes well. If you want more alQeada popping up all over the map.
Petreaus had 6 of the tribes to the table over a year ago, with Operation Andaconda. Only one group was sitting out of the talks.
Now we withdraw, what are the 6 going to do? Stay at the table?
Sure they will. Till Omar sends some suciede news team with exploding camera to one, like what was done to Northern Alliance leader in 2001. Then they all skip the peace talks and join Omar again.
Bane6: Well Cc same could be said about you, seems like I remember you saying "he must be on drugs or drunk"
Listen we can take this to mail.It's the adult thing to do.
You apologie to me I'll apologie to you.
bodleing: Like it or not, the Taliban rule the major part of Afghanistan.
And personally, I think they need a good talking to.
It has taken 10 yrs of war to realize that? If you can't beat them Join themAnd personally, I think they need a good talking to.
Ccincy: Al wait til someone insults you by saying that you look like you walk the streets.
Water off a duck's back Cin.
I actually love it when people whom my only sin was to ask them to provide some support for their contentions offer an insult rather than do what any normal human being who was speaking the truth would do - provide the support.
Ccincy: Listen we can take this to mail.It's the adult thing to do.
You apologie to me I'll apologie to you.
You apologie to me I'll apologie to you.
Fair enough, I apologize
Albertaghost: Water off a duck's back Cin.
I actually love it when people whom my only sin was to ask them to provide some support for their contentions offer an insult rather than do what any normal human being who was speaking the truth would do - provide the support.
I actually love it when people whom my only sin was to ask them to provide some support for their contentions offer an insult rather than do what any normal human being who was speaking the truth would do - provide the support.
I guess you're not allowed to ask a simple question anymore.
I know the frustration.I really do.
Bane6: Fair enough, I apologize
Apoligy accepted.
I apologize too.
Ccincy: Apoligy accepted.
I apologize too.
I apologize too.
meto
Albertaghost: meto
Awww
I'm sorry if you don't get what you want, I.E a complete bibligraphy of that you can contest and drivel on about.
If you knew anything about the industry whatsoever, you'd know about which government operates, with the best assets in the region...and it certainly wasn't the Americans in that timeframe.
I suggest you say email TTom, privately and he might be able to confirm privately what i've posted.Ask him he might just ignore, or laugh at you...but i'm assuming you know his career right?
Failing that, what do you want, Reuters reports.....email them, or maybe check Hansard, on questions asked in the Houses of Parliament, try the Washington Post, but don't expect me to do it...i'm not an intern
Of course, if you knew anyone at the DIA or the State Department, in fact any Intelligence Officer, well they might be able to tell you, of say DR Steve Piecniks credentials, which i'm sure you'll question.Don't take my word for it, check it out...then type it up here, he's quite forward about his career.He is somewhat well known, and highly respected!
Much the same as the former head of the ISI,,,,but you can if you wish just ignore Alex Jones (As i would) and just listen to the witnesses.Then you can try to ignore the former Head of Pakistani Intelligence, and a servant of successive American presidents...both with a credible background, 1st hand testimony and most importantly the sources are 1st hand, non corrupted, and the source type is open, not classified...so it's quite safe to discuss without ruffling anyones feathers.
However if your expecting me to substantiate anything, i'm afraid your barking up the wrong tree...i'm afraid if you want to waste my time to prove a point, especially when there's no point me doing so.....erm basically futile.
I'm afraid i've also met people like you long ago, all wind and no 1st hand knowledge...so go onto the conspiracy theorists website, play the two interviews with the good doctor, then the Former head of the ISI and start there.
Once you have done that, and that is something you can easily do, actually listen to it.....digest what's being said, and not just play the tape...actually listen.
Then, if you doubt him, his credentials, his information or his "agenda" then feel to post your opinion back here.
But as for me, going out of my way to help you source material, bloody hell i gave you a name, his employer, and narrowed it down to two Intelligence assets.
I'll give you one and one opportunity to watch the interviews, pass comment to prove you watch them then see you castigate them.
So go watch them, then comment....and if you cant manage that without me finding the links for you, i'm afraid your debunking technique will require polishing up abit.
Ever heard the term "Noisy Negatavist"? It's one Stanton Friedman loves to describe people like you.
Yep, met him in London, and David Moorehouse.Contact him,.ask him about a gentleman in London, who was asked some questions regarding budgets that he was discussing during a lecture, regarding his work...and the budget size that you may find somewhere on the internet.
Get him to personally confirm that conversation with him, and the budget size i informed him of, and well then i might waste time.The public lecture was in London, obviously after the launch of his book.
The answer to the question is not in the public domain by the way, even though the programme is declassified.
So i cant post you links, a bibliography, transcript, nor Youtube video..but David would nonetheless remember the conversation i had privately after the lecture.
Do that, then i might even bother to waste my time arguing!
If you knew anything about the industry whatsoever, you'd know about which government operates, with the best assets in the region...and it certainly wasn't the Americans in that timeframe.
I suggest you say email TTom, privately and he might be able to confirm privately what i've posted.Ask him he might just ignore, or laugh at you...but i'm assuming you know his career right?
Failing that, what do you want, Reuters reports.....email them, or maybe check Hansard, on questions asked in the Houses of Parliament, try the Washington Post, but don't expect me to do it...i'm not an intern
Of course, if you knew anyone at the DIA or the State Department, in fact any Intelligence Officer, well they might be able to tell you, of say DR Steve Piecniks credentials, which i'm sure you'll question.Don't take my word for it, check it out...then type it up here, he's quite forward about his career.He is somewhat well known, and highly respected!
Much the same as the former head of the ISI,,,,but you can if you wish just ignore Alex Jones (As i would) and just listen to the witnesses.Then you can try to ignore the former Head of Pakistani Intelligence, and a servant of successive American presidents...both with a credible background, 1st hand testimony and most importantly the sources are 1st hand, non corrupted, and the source type is open, not classified...so it's quite safe to discuss without ruffling anyones feathers.
However if your expecting me to substantiate anything, i'm afraid your barking up the wrong tree...i'm afraid if you want to waste my time to prove a point, especially when there's no point me doing so.....erm basically futile.
I'm afraid i've also met people like you long ago, all wind and no 1st hand knowledge...so go onto the conspiracy theorists website, play the two interviews with the good doctor, then the Former head of the ISI and start there.
Once you have done that, and that is something you can easily do, actually listen to it.....digest what's being said, and not just play the tape...actually listen.
Then, if you doubt him, his credentials, his information or his "agenda" then feel to post your opinion back here.
But as for me, going out of my way to help you source material, bloody hell i gave you a name, his employer, and narrowed it down to two Intelligence assets.
I'll give you one and one opportunity to watch the interviews, pass comment to prove you watch them then see you castigate them.
So go watch them, then comment....and if you cant manage that without me finding the links for you, i'm afraid your debunking technique will require polishing up abit.
Ever heard the term "Noisy Negatavist"? It's one Stanton Friedman loves to describe people like you.
Yep, met him in London, and David Moorehouse.Contact him,.ask him about a gentleman in London, who was asked some questions regarding budgets that he was discussing during a lecture, regarding his work...and the budget size that you may find somewhere on the internet.
Get him to personally confirm that conversation with him, and the budget size i informed him of, and well then i might waste time.The public lecture was in London, obviously after the launch of his book.
The answer to the question is not in the public domain by the way, even though the programme is declassified.
So i cant post you links, a bibliography, transcript, nor Youtube video..but David would nonetheless remember the conversation i had privately after the lecture.
Do that, then i might even bother to waste my time arguing!
RobbieM: I'm sorry if you don't get what you want, I.E a complete bibligraphy of that you can contest and drivel on about.
Actually I just wanted everybody to know that you were spewing garbage and, it is quite evident that whatever you say cannot be supported. I have shown evidence to counter your fibs and, we can call it a night I think. Unless you have something of any kind to back yourself up with of course.
As for saying I require a bibliography[hy, heck, you haven't even given an article from a biased site much less something from a reputable source that passers by can examine so please, walk before you try to run.
Albertaghost: Actually I just wanted everybody to know that you were spewing garbage and, it is quite evident that whatever you say cannot be supported. I have shown evidence to counter your fibs and, we can call it a night I think. Unless you have something of any kind to back yourself up with of course.
As for saying I require a bibliography[hy, heck, you haven't even given an article from a biased site much less something from a reputable source that passers by can examine so please, walk before you try to run.
As for saying I require a bibliography[hy, heck, you haven't even given an article from a biased site much less something from a reputable source that passers by can examine so please, walk before you try to run.
You watched those several hours of interviews fast.
What were you conclusions?
I'm not wasting my time debating one point, till you address the 1st 2 suggestions.
Then i'll direct you to two books, one by a pulitzer prize winner, and another by if i remember a highly respected BBC Journalist.
In fact, i'll give you one source now, it's open source......Read the Book "Blank Check"....which i'll almost guarantee you havent.Only got a pulitzer prize.
And to prove i have, i'll get my copy.....you can quote a page number...line...and i'll type the sentence up here!
Hows that? No go find the book.
Ccincy: Even if you provide them proof they still find some reason to find fault with it.
You got that right, one can provide as much proof as one wants, in the end - - - -they scream "conspiracy, propaganda - - - - " and when asked for proof from their side, they will always banter, scream, and find a BS Excuse not to give the sources from which they get the info - - - I am done providing proof, and links and what ever, as it is waste of MY time - - - - I done it so many times on these forums, I stopped counting - - - - I red both sides of the story - - - not just one - - - - - - and frankly I don't give a crap if people call me Truth-er, conspiracy nut or what ever - - - - in the end when I'll be 60 years old, I guess we will find out what for a fact what today are speculations, substantiated with logic - - - - IT is easy to scream it is a lie, but not showing where their sources come from - - - - - kind of - - - - attack is best difference, one thing I noticed is - - - - that in these arguments people always use one and the same bs ( I seen it it was debunked ) Asking them to give sources where it is said that it was debunked what we say - - - the answer is ALWAYS ( Do your own damn work - - - or - - - -you are giving claims, you have to prove ME wrong - - - - ) But the way I see it, we "both" are giving claims, but only one side is trying to prove it, other side is simply just screaming - - - -The reason why - - - cos I think their info comes from CNN, Fox and other propaganda machines - - - - I was surfing the net in depth about all these issues - - - - - All sources - - - - I was studying psychology of propaganda and how to BS people, how to create and mould opinions, and when you know the principles ( That are very simple ) - - - - it is obvious to the naked eye, that there is something seriously wrong with the official story - - - - Like the magic trick - - - point the person in one direction, and you can do what ever you want behind his back - - - - What it takes is to look at the bigger picture - - - - -
Reading his - - RobbieM - - comments, and answers he was getting, shows exactly what I wrote in upper lines - - - - so in the end - - - - -from one side you see extensive explanations, in reasonable voice and from the other side - - -same old story ( It is fals,e you are wrong, show proof - - - ectr, and when asked for proof, you get again childish answers ) - - - - One answer was funny, where I got a response that "Tonkin Bay" - - - something happened so we got in to war - - - jet it is well documented, that it was all a completely fabricated story, ships were not even in Tonkin Bay - - - - Jet somehow people still chose to believe propaganda - - - - now why is that - - - - ( About my claims about Tonkin Bay, to all who will start scream - - - prove it - - - do your own damn work ) . . . .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=US&v=8y06NSBBRtY
Albertaghost: If I'm an idiot, why is it that I can both prove a negative and, prove you wrong as well by quoting one of the world's foremost experts on Bin Laden and you can't even support your point with even a bogus attempt.
I mean, 'I have these secret SAS friends and they told me this and that....' really doesn't hold much water on a debate forums Robbie.
Oh, nice insult. Seems you have reached the end of logical discussion and, due to lack of being able to prove any of your points, need to lash out with something. When in doubt, insult I suppose is your motto.
I mean, 'I have these secret SAS friends and they told me this and that....' really doesn't hold much water on a debate forums Robbie.
Oh, nice insult. Seems you have reached the end of logical discussion and, due to lack of being able to prove any of your points, need to lash out with something. When in doubt, insult I suppose is your motto.
Peter Bergen - print and television journalist, author, and CNN's national security analyst
Are you serious, a CNN news report is your expert on Bin Laden - - - - - Come on I thought it is some annalist in intelligence community - - - or something like that, then I'd give it more credit, or that he is some whistle blower, but no a journalist from CNN - - - - CNN and Fox are Establishment propaganda tools - - - - And you are telling me my sources are not viable - - - - Your example shows where your info comes from - - - you said it all - - - - - "news" is the last place where I pick up my sources, and not ALL things on you tube are crap - - - - many documentaries, and interviews were not made in basement - - - - -
RobbieM: Eh.I don't sit in a conspiracy coven.....What makes you think that?
Soon as you said the CIA trained Bin Laden I knew you for the truther you are.
RobbieM: Instead of babbling, listen to the interviews, and remember their 1st hand human intelligence...not SIGINT.Then remember they had a need to know, access and clearance.
Not babbling Robbie. You told a lie, I asked for proof, you gave a general direction form me to look when you already supposedly know exactly where it is yet cannot give the link and quote or timestamp from that proof and then, just because I got tired of your obfuscation I just pulled a credible link and quote from the net to prove you wrong.
RobbieM: I'm assuming you know the difference between HUMINT and SIGINT...in other words one is deems inconclusive, and the other more reliable.
Uh huh. Which is why I gave you the link from the expert who has actually spoken with bin Laden and knows him far better than any of the stuff you have mentioned yet cannot provide for all of us to look at.
RobbieM: If you know anything about the business, which clearly you don't you'd know, precisely for the reasons i've listed why the British have/had (circ early 1980's) better connections than the Americans in the Region that provided HUMINT, not SIGINT.
Secret squirrel Robbie. Stick to comic books your shtick won't wash here.
They are effectively the horses mouth in Intelligence Terms.You are aware OBL's roll with his contacts in Afghanistan.....financial logistics.....but don't take my word, listen to the Former Head of the ISI.
RobbieM: Don't pay attention to Alex Jones, He's a right Wing Christian with his own agenda and a business to run, trying to scare the gullible...but i don't fit that section of society.
Well your unsubstantiated and unsupported rants sure do.
RobbieM: Now as i've said listen to the three interviews, IGNORE ALEX JONES...listen to the MILITARY WITNESSES..... then find a copy of "Blank Check".
Provide the quote that supports your lie and then provide the page number so we can all check up on it's validity please.
RobbieM: And Please don't quote Janes International, They don't provide SIGINT or HUMINT....
Said it was one of my sources. So far, you have none that you have posted save bandying out book names without quotes or page numbers to verify that you tell the truth. That I have caught you lying three times so far requires this verification sorry to say robbie.
RobbieM: Explain where i know that from? Could it be conspiracy....or maybe i happen to know something? Wonder why? Hmmm must be my Alex Jones subscription i guess????
Look that fact up in Janes Defence International, then you can see that is concrete as well.But i doubt you either have access to Janes via the web, or have any of the substantial manuals or should i say volumes to hand to look that up.
If you do, as i've seen plenty of stuff available over here in the UK you will indeed see the boat concerned, the photograph and the accompanying text.
Want to argue argue, but do it with information you can attribute to something where other people can see you basically proven wrong.
But then, funnily enough you wouldn't have the balls to actually admit you were wrong...would you?
Look that fact up in Janes Defence International, then you can see that is concrete as well.But i doubt you either have access to Janes via the web, or have any of the substantial manuals or should i say volumes to hand to look that up.
If you do, as i've seen plenty of stuff available over here in the UK you will indeed see the boat concerned, the photograph and the accompanying text.
Want to argue argue, but do it with information you can attribute to something where other people can see you basically proven wrong.
But then, funnily enough you wouldn't have the balls to actually admit you were wrong...would you?
Sure would but it would actually require some proof which you have not even begun to provide. In fact, you have not even moved in order to provide it expecting others to find it for you. Sorry to say,I know it does not exist so won't bother wasting my time on a fools errand which is probably why you don't bother to fetch it to support your own stuff.
So, anything to counter the man who has spoken with Bin Laden and is an expert on the matter or you still tap dancing around providing proof?
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So, Osama and others had been trainned by US army and CIA.
I think is very wise they talk now and change this situation,is better then make WAR.
GIVE PEACE A CHANCE !!
Could you please document the US military creating the Taliban as from what I understand, the Taliban did not come into being until after the Soviets had left and, after a civil war between the rival warlords that were left.
As well, please also provide some facts from credible sources that show how Osama Bin Laden was trained by the US Military and the CIA as from what I understand, he was in Pakistan providing support for the Mujaheddin during the war with the Soviets and was not involved with the US.