US is negotiating with Taliban (433)

Iraq:

Lets start from the beginning....UN Resolutions.....which were......lets abbreviate and just say cooperation in the Search for WMDS.

Chief weapons inspectors, and Hans Blix reported they haven't got them.Fact, and the Iraqi's knew that the search teams also included that the UN teams were infiltrated by intelligence agency people (That frankly you'd expect)and this they deemed it no longer appropriate to cooperate.

The rest of your assertions are basically rendered useless to the above.....nobody was saying Saddam was a saint, after all he was "our man in the region".We put him there, i say that as in British and American Intelligence installed him.

The basis for entering Iraq the 2nd time wasn't to protect anyone, as any military source will tell you their military machine was practically destroyed.Try the statement of Condi Rice, and Colin Powell, and Donald Rumsfeld.

And as for their connection with al quaeda...there was none!!! None whatsoever.

No Biological or nuclear capability, no mobile weapons labs, nothing whatsoever......stated so by the UN weapons inspectors themselves, as led by an American.

Your probably not aware that the Iraqi's military received their education, regarding biological warfare here in the UK, at a facility called Porton Down.Fact...we know what we trained them in, what was supplied and what their capabilities are.

What isn't generally known, is that biological agents have a shelf life...of 10 years......so anything that was buried out in the desert, and hidden, from the inspectors other than what was known to exist wouldn't be viable.

So, No infrastructure + no capability + destroyed/accounted for equipment and stockpiles + limited lifespan = NO THREAT.

I don't expect you to know about artillery, or the delivery mechanisms, in particular the dispersal systems required, which from rocket technology are advanced.These were not supplied to the Iraqi army.Not by us, the Americans, Germans, Belgians, French Russians or Chinese.

Your either just shall we uninformed, or i'll go for the devils advocate approach.

Hammas and their origins are well known.
Regime change was not a stated aim for invading Iraq.
There is no precedent for attacking a sovereign country without a reason, which is why Germany and France wouldn't touch the matter with a barge pole.
Perhaps you should look up when and how many times statements have come out regarding OBL and his reputed demise.

Regarding The CIA, and Afghanistan.

It's a matter of record, you cant be serious? Maybe you should look up the public statements of CIA officials, and in particular try and address your same comments to Dr Steve Pieczenik.......as from the gentlemans own experience in the region, i'm afraid you argument wouldn't even stand water.

He trained psychological warfare to the American military, he basically wrote the book on it.....and he's one of the principle whistle blowers to have brought this information into the public realm...and he's not the only one.

This is one guy nobody can laugh off,famous in Intelligence circles, the guy who Jack Ryan is officially based upon by Tom Clancy no less, worked under various Presidents, who's a "Fellow" of the Council of Foreign Relations.

He's not "political" but he's understandably furious, as clearly are the Pakistani's.

And your telling me your better informed than someone in the CFR, teaches psychological warfare, has impeccable credentials and served under 3 American Presidents?

Your aware right that he's requested to be brought before a Grand Jury regarding a Generals statements regarding 9/11?

As for the figures on an acceptable kill to death ratio...by what number, or for that matter is that acceptable, and to whom? Certainly not the deceased.That and the conflict wasn't deemed backable by the UN? I wonder why that was...because there was no evidence????

I'm assuming you know about that??

The voices of reason are drowned out by the legends and myths.

Welcome back RobbieM! Long time away. Hope all is well with you.
Cheers!

Hiya, long time no see.

Sadly no change my end, but i do what i can and carry on regardless.

Oh, going to start studying Krav Maga in the next few weeks, so back to trying to smash up my body again...lol

Suffice to say, you can imagine how frustrating i find this thread...it's a direct insult to the real men and women crapped on by their commander in chief.

If you want a good laugh, go to Obamas new thread, where Dude doesn't even acknowledge Pakistan is the Ally of the West.

I mean, I know the nature of Intelligence, but enough is deceminated in the US to justify budget and the press without operational, or logistical long range planning and capabilities, but i seriously do expect in a 10 year conflict...people are expected to know who is on who's side!

Clearly i'd only discuss things that are in the public domain, and yet some are clearly oblivious, yet TTom has connections within his remit, and he would only go so far as would be responsible, but when he, and some of the others see dudes thread they will go for the jugular.

Correct. It was regime change. An action authorized by the UNSC.



There certainly was with Palestinian suicide bombers who's family received twenty five thousand dollars from Saddam himself to replace the home that would inevitably be bulldozed by the IDF. That is support for terrorism. As well, the AQ being treated in Iraqi medical facilities certainly puts Saddam on the wrong end of the 'with us or with the terrorists' equation which one of the Bush doctrines stated.



Point being what? That there were none but Iraq had yet to prove there were none by working in complete cooperation with inspectors which they, along with the dozen or so other ceasefire conditions that they did not adhere to also refused to comply with.

You do understand how ceasefires work and what happens when the conditions are broken or not adhered to right?



Actually I wasn't. Of course, the links you will supply from credible sources will educate me immensely so thanking you in advance.

I actually am very well informed which is why I know that pretty much everything you are writing is bogus. Please provide proof to back up your shtick or we can surmise it is just more of the same stuff that the very uninformed post from time to time regurgitated from conspiracy sites.



Which is why you have yet to post some links from credible sources to support this with. don't worry, Ray from the USA has yet to do so either and he has only been saying this for a couple of years now.



You must have been under a rock the final month or so prior to the invasion. Bush and Rumsfeld dropped the WMD stuff and this was their stated goal in all the media briefings. It was the method by which Iraq was going to be brought into compliance with all the resolutions.




Perhaps you can direct us all to the link which I am sure is supported by other CREDIBLE SOURCES.




The US saved lives as Saddam killed ten thousand people per month on average just administering the country. I would surmise that any person who values life would agree that the freedom of twnety five million people, their hundreds of millions of children, grand and great grandchildren not to mention the millions that Saddam and his two goon sons would have eventually killed make this more than acceptable considering that Iraq was going to be brought into compliance one way or another.




UNSC Res 1441 authorized the US and the other countries in the coalition to take whatever action they deemed necessary to force Iraq into compliance. Theoretically they could have dropped a nuke and it would have been legal and backed by permission from the UNSC.



I'm assuming you have no proof as you have yet to provide anything other than your stories. Please back some of your tall tales up with verifiable fact please.

Yes, the dude...I wonder if he'd like to be Obama's guest at his resort spa at Gitmo, Cuban Riviera; wonder how long he'd sing hymns of praise for him...
You've recovered enough to take a krav maga course...life in the UK must be an 'interesting challenge'; didn't you basically learn all that in school on the playgrounds? (Public schools) Perhaps you should have attended public schools in Washington DC..
You certainly seem in fine spirits at least. Stay safe

That's correct. After being expelled from Iraq for the umpteenth time, they were permitted back in during the final few weeks prior to the invasion. Iraq was aware that their immediate and unconditional compliance was imperative to ward off coalition action and yet, as Blix states in his march 2003 briefing to the security council that the opposite was the case as Iraq still was trying to place conditions and their cooperation was not immediate.

Ccincy, Iraq was bound to produce proof they had destroyed everything. It had been done by South Africa with ease in a matter of months yet Saddam, as Blix observed, was playing cat and mouse, threatening the lives of the inspectors and even their families, placing certain sites off limits and not allowing them to visit others until certain actions had been taken. Hed expelled them numerous times and then allowed them back in with the condition that certain places were off limits.

Hardly the actions of a leader who was supposed to be giving immediate and unconditional cooperation. He was in violation of all ceasefire conditions and thus,m subject to resumption of hostilities.,

I thought I was right about what I'd heard about the WMD but didn't wish to just guess.

I also recall watching when our troops came riding into Baghdad and one of Saddams buddies was on the rooptop of one of the buildings and announced to the media that all of our American troops had been killed at an airport.Just as that fool made the announcement right behind him on the ground below I saw our troops coming into town.