US is negotiating with Taliban (433)
gsmonks: Gee . . . George W. Bush propaganda, almost word-for-word. Seems it's still working its magic.
If you cannot answer the question, you have problem.
ttom500: Oh my .......am about to have a heart attack here.
Don't do that, I have plans for ..........
gsmonks: Facts, Conrad, facts.
What's your problem with the facts? Fact: Indonesia committed genocide in East Timor. Fact: several journalists were there and were murdered, some of them known to me. Fact: they were murdered with arms supplied by the US, who KNEW what they were being used for.
What's your problem with the facts? Fact: Indonesia committed genocide in East Timor. Fact: several journalists were there and were murdered, some of them known to me. Fact: they were murdered with arms supplied by the US, who KNEW what they were being used for.
Fact: the US supplied less than one percent of the arms to Iraq. Fact: using this 'fact' as well as you dredging up garbage from thirty and forty years ago, we can extrapolate that you are just bashing the US because you are on autopilot.
Am not disputing your facts in this post of yours.Are you disputing the Fact that US attacked first Afghanistan and then NATO followed long after???Am engaged in this dispute with you and some others posters in this thread.
ttom500: Me twist things? Yikes Chris. The Taliban were the government of a country....Afghanistan.....when 911 occurred. bin Laden 911 attack on the US was sanctioned and supported by the Taliban of Afghanistan, by the Iranians, and by the Pakistani.
The 911 v Iran court case has 135 pages of charges, testimony and evidence on Iran's participation in 911.
911 was a nation state attack. Just executed by a para military organization, alQeada.
The 911 v Iran court case has 135 pages of charges, testimony and evidence on Iran's participation in 911.
911 was a nation state attack. Just executed by a para military organization, alQeada.
gsmonks: Gee . . . George W. Bush propaganda, almost word-for-word. Seems it's still working its magic.
Challenge you to provide a quote from Bush that is even close to what he posted. On the other hand, what you posted is a frequent quip from the left when they have no klew - say that the other has posted a talking point from Fox, Bush, Rush or something akin to that.
So, provide a quote from Bush that is close to what he said and we won't think you are lying.
gsmonks: Oh, really? You must have missed out on all those times the US backed corrupt regimes to "balance things out" with the USSR.
How about when the US bombed Guatemala's capital when Guatemala nationalised its oil reserves? We did that here in Canada, and the US painted Trudeau as a "red".
How about when Carter signed an arms deal with Indonesia, while Indonesia was committing genocide in East Timor?
I could go on for pages, here.
Propaganda and garbage? Looks like you bought into it.
How about when the US bombed Guatemala's capital when Guatemala nationalised its oil reserves? We did that here in Canada, and the US painted Trudeau as a "red".
How about when Carter signed an arms deal with Indonesia, while Indonesia was committing genocide in East Timor?
I could go on for pages, here.
Propaganda and garbage? Looks like you bought into it.
I will just play the age card here, I am fully aware of what is going on in "my" country and could care less about your opinion because...you are spewing crap sir.....
ttom500: So you mix east Timor with Iraq? Talk about mixing apples and oranges.
No, talk about US foreign policy, which has merited an ungodly kick in the groin for many years.
gsmonks: No, talk about US foreign policy, which has merited an ungodly kick in the groin for many years.
I'm on your side all the way
Conrad73: Does the NATO-Charter state at what point in time it has to come to the support of a Member?BTW,how long is "Long After"?
Google and find out,how ""Long After" 
gsmonks: No, talk about US foreign policy, which has merited an ungodly kick in the groin for many years.
chris27292729: Google and find out,how ""Long After"
chris27292729: Am not disputing your facts in this post of yours.Are you disputing the Fact that US attacked first Afghanistan and then NATO followed long after???Am engaged in this dispute with you and some others posters in this thread.
Am saying that the US acted with a defensive invasion of Afghanistan after 911, Chris. Certainly within its rights as a country under both UN laws of war and the Geneva Conventions to defend itself.
Had the Taliban and alQeada been allowed to remain in power.....what do you think would have happened? That Omar and bin Laden were going to give reparations to the US and 911 victims for
the attack? No, more major attacks would have been made. One was in the planning we now know.
If the US invasion of Afghanistan was illegal, the UN would have chastised it in a heart beat. It did not.
So?
leigh2154: I will just play the age card here, I am fully aware of what is going on in "my" country and could care less about your opinion because...you are spewing crap sir.....
Really? I've got mountains of evidence on my side, which I can produce at a moment's notice. What have you got?
I have no use for opinion. I stick with the facts. I also have no use for people who have no respect for the facts.
If you were fully aware of what was going on in your country, you wouldn't be such a typically brainwashed American.
gsmonks: No, talk about US foreign policy, which has merited an ungodly kick in the groin for many years.
Bitter,hmmmm?Nephew of Edgar Woog?
That's your response, Conrad? A bunch of emoticons?
How about a genuine response, consisting of words, showing you at least have some grasp of the subject matter?
emoticons? How about a genuine response, consisting of words, showing you at least have some grasp of the subject matter?
Obama announces re-election,Then he claims the USA got OBL his approval rating goes up,then he now plans on negoitaing with the Taliban,I wonder if he plans on giving the terrorist a huge hug.I mean these terroist are such open minded people.
Oh yes almost forgot he attacked Libya and now he's planning on a withdrawal of troops.
Yippie Skippie.
Oh yes almost forgot he attacked Libya and now he's planning on a withdrawal of troops.
Yippie Skippie.
gsmonks: Really? I've got mountains of evidence on my side, which I can produce at a moment's notice. What have you got?
I have no use for opinion. I stick with the facts. I also have no use for people who have no respect for the facts.
If you were fully aware of what was going on in your country, you wouldn't be such a typically brainwashed American.
You mean you have a Mountain of Crap on your side?I have no use for opinion. I stick with the facts. I also have no use for people who have no respect for the facts.
If you were fully aware of what was going on in your country, you wouldn't be such a typically brainwashed American.
gsmonks: No, talk about US foreign policy, which has merited an ungodly kick in the groin for many years.
So we are the 500 pound grey back gorilla in the world. Get use to it.
I like most Canadians. But some have been out in the blizzards and snow so long they forgot to thaw out.
We did not plan or execute 911. We did not make the Taliban or alQeada. We did not aid and abet in the killing of 3000 fellow countrymen on 911.
I am totally sick of foreign parties that infer this.
Conrad73: You mean you have a Mountain of Crap on your side?
That's contradiction, Conrad. An argument is a series of statements whose purpose is to support a conclusion. Kind of like a mini-essay.
Yes, I can produce evidence. Want to see some? Or do you just want to play this ignorant little child's game of "Liar, liar, pants on fire!" ?
gsmonks: That's your response, Conrad? A bunch of emoticons?
How about a genuine response, consisting of words, showing you at least have some grasp of the subject matter?
One can only but laugh at you,when looking at your Mountain of Evidence,and it's sources!How about a genuine response, consisting of words, showing you at least have some grasp of the subject matter?
And of course not a word about the Former Sovietunion,yet you claim impartiality!
So threadbare Mr. Monk,so threadbare!
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gsmonks: Really? I've got mountains of evidence on my side, which I can produce at a moment's notice. What have you got?
I have no use for opinion. I stick with the facts. I also have no use for people who have no respect for the facts.
If you were fully aware of what was going on in your country, you wouldn't be such a typically brainwashed American.
I have no use for opinion. I stick with the facts. I also have no use for people who have no respect for the facts.
If you were fully aware of what was going on in your country, you wouldn't be such a typically brainwashed American.
You, like so many others who have an ax to grind, pull portions of the "whole" story, edit and google to make it fit your propagandized agenda, then feed it to your fellow "hate" mongers.....It is very simple and very evident....
Did you know,rising your thump up,for whom Alex you did it????
leigh2154: Don't do that, I have plans for ..........
gsmonks: That's contradiction, Conrad. An argument is a series of statements whose purpose is to support a conclusion. Kind of like a mini-essay.
Yes, I can produce evidence. Want to see some? Or do you just want to play this ignorant little child's game of "Liar, liar, pants on fire!" ?
"Evidence"?Yes, I can produce evidence. Want to see some? Or do you just want to play this ignorant little child's game of "Liar, liar, pants on fire!" ?
Yeah right!
Your Bias has already poisoned the Well!
Your evidence ain't worth Dung!
Conrad73: One can only but laugh at you,when looking at your Mountain of Evidence,and it's sources!
And of course not a word about the Former Sovietunion,yet you claim impartiality!
So threadbare Mr. Monk,so threadbare!
And of course not a word about the Former Sovietunion,yet you claim impartiality!
So threadbare Mr. Monk,so threadbare!
We're not discussing the former USSR. It's not part of this thread.
Having presented nor discussed no evidence whatsoever, your credibility is zero. All you've done is come out with childish "nyah, nyah, nyah" non-posts.
You want the evidence or not? Or do you just want to keep playing this silly two-year-old's game?
chris27292729: Did you know,rising your thump up,for whom Alex you did it????
October 7, 2001/US and UK.The International Security Assistance Force (ISAF) was established by the UN Security Council at the end of December 2001 to secure Kabul and the surrounding areas. NATO assumed control of ISAF in 2003. ISAF includes troops from 42 countries, with NATO members providing the core of the force.
Just for you to get some Idea!
Want to know more,check the external Links!
gsmonks: We're not discussing the former USSR. It's not part of this thread.
Having presented nor discussed no evidence whatsoever, your credibility is zero. All you've done is come out with childish "nyah, nyah, nyah" non-posts.
You want the evidence or not? Or do you just want to keep playing this silly two-year-old's game?
Having presented nor discussed no evidence whatsoever, your credibility is zero. All you've done is come out with childish "nyah, nyah, nyah" non-posts.
You want the evidence or not? Or do you just want to keep playing this silly two-year-old's game?
You're the one crowing about Evidence!
But with your extreme love for the US
you have already poisened the Well!You have kicked your Credibility Bye-Bye,except in the Eyes of your fellow US-Haters!
You have not answer directly,you and other posters hide behind diverting than answering.I ask you again,did the US attacked FIRST Afghanistan and NATO followed after, YES or NO.Its like extracting a tooth,so painful, from some here, in the forum,than say, Yes this is right.
ttom500: Am saying that the US acted with a defensive invasion of Afghanistan after 911, Chris. Certainly within its rights as a country under both UN laws of war and the Geneva Conventions to defend itself.
Had the Taliban and alQeada been allowed to remain in power.....what do you think would have happened? That Omar and bin Laden were going to give reparations to the US and 911 victims for
the attack? No, more major attacks would have been made. One was in the planning we now know.
If the US invasion of Afghanistan was illegal, the UN would have chastised it in a heart beat. It did not.
So?
Had the Taliban and alQeada been allowed to remain in power.....what do you think would have happened? That Omar and bin Laden were going to give reparations to the US and 911 victims for
the attack? No, more major attacks would have been made. One was in the planning we now know.
If the US invasion of Afghanistan was illegal, the UN would have chastised it in a heart beat. It did not.
So?
chris27292729: You have not answer directly,you and other posters hide behind diverting than answering.I ask you again,did the US attacked FIRST Afghanistan and NATO followed after, YES or NO.Its like extracting a tooth,so painful, from some here, in the forum,than say, Yes this is right.
You're full of it,Chris!chris27292729: Did you know,rising your thump up,for whom Alex you did it????
Boring Chris...
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What's your problem with the facts? Fact: Indonesia committed genocide in East Timor. Fact: several journalists were there and were murdered, some of them known to me. Fact: they were murdered with arms supplied by the US, who KNEW what they were being used for.
I used to write music for documentaries, Conrad. Some of the guys I worked with are now dead. Some of the stories they were covering were atrocities connected with US foreign policy.
So kindly keep your ignorant b.s. to yourself.
So you mix east Timor with Iraq? Talk about mixing apples and oranges.