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Indeed. Most people who have a source and proof just provide it but you will not for some reason.
Once again, the source, a quote and the link to check the context with.
All I ask.
Once again, the source, a quote and the link to check the context with.
All I ask.
Indeed. Most people who have a source and proof just provide it but you will not for some reason.
Once again, the source, a quote and the link to check the context with.
All I ask.
Once again, the source, a quote and the link to check the context with.
All I ask.
RobbieM: Nope,and remember whatever i am, i'm at least not Australasian!
(Don't take that seriously..have family in Perth)
(Don't take that seriously..have family in Perth)
I accused you of nothing, I merely corrected your English.
Your: Personal pronoun in the second person.
You're: Pronoun and a contraction of the verb 'are'.
I found it funny that someone who labelled another as being an 'idiot' couldn't even use correct grammar.
chris27292729: Cc, no attempt from my part to discredit you,or your source. Just pointed out how brave GWB was.-
The pilot I spoke about wasn't a helicopter pilot and had nothing to do with Bush or any other politican for that matter.
Ccincy: Not hardly chris.You can can make fun of me all you wish and even attempt to discredit me all you wish but gotta try better then that.I wish the guy was here now cause I'd have him log on and tell you what he told me.
But what would that prove than it's nothing more than a pilot's opinion?
My father worked his way up through the Queensland Fire Service for over 35 years. He was trained for emergencies that may occur at our International Airport & the Moonie gas & oil fields. He had to undergo many exams for chemistry & physics among others and emerged as one of our state's most respected officers. He was continually asked to go to Kuwait in order to put out the fires left by the retreating Iraqis.
To cut a long story short, what happened to the WTC after the planes hit came as no surprise to him and he explained it to me in scientific terms well beyond my understanding. But, at the end of the day, I would not cite his thoughts on the subject, as it would be disregarded as anecdotal by those who've already made up their minds on what happened . Furthermore, I doubt he'd care less what others thought on the matter.
Blues63: But what would that prove than it's nothing more than a pilot's opinion?
My father worked his way up through the Queensland Fire Service for over 35 years. He was trained for emergencies that may occur at our International Airport & the Moonie gas & oil fields. He had to undergo many exams for chemistry & physics among others and emerged as one of our state's most respected officers. He was continually asked to go to Kuwait in order to put out the fires left by the retreating Iraqis.
To cut a long story short, what happened to the WTC after the planes hit came as no surprise to him and he explained it to me in scientific terms well beyond my understanding. But, at the end of the day, I would not cite his thoughts on the subject, as it would be disregarded as anecdotal by those who've already made up their minds on what happened . Furthermore, I doubt he'd care less what others thought on the matter.
My father worked his way up through the Queensland Fire Service for over 35 years. He was trained for emergencies that may occur at our International Airport & the Moonie gas & oil fields. He had to undergo many exams for chemistry & physics among others and emerged as one of our state's most respected officers. He was continually asked to go to Kuwait in order to put out the fires left by the retreating Iraqis.
To cut a long story short, what happened to the WTC after the planes hit came as no surprise to him and he explained it to me in scientific terms well beyond my understanding. But, at the end of the day, I would not cite his thoughts on the subject, as it would be disregarded as anecdotal by those who've already made up their minds on what happened . Furthermore, I doubt he'd care less what others thought on the matter.
All the stuff we heard about back then was only someones opinions right? And today people are still here talking/arguing and making fun of people who are trying to give their opinions.
Ccincy: All the stuff we heard about back then was only someones opinions right?
Granted, however, some opinions can be supported by scientific evidence. My point being, I could record an interview with my father and then research his points and produce it here on CS debunking much of the fanciful tales that have gained circulation of late, but those who've made up their minds would not give it credence, hence, I couldn't be bothered.
In response to: And today people are still here talking/arguing and making fun of people who are trying to give their opinions.
True, but then, why is it so hard to believe that the buildings collapsed after two planes loaded with fuel hijacked by Jihadis crashed into them at speed?
All other theories appear to be preposterous in light of this.
Blues63: But what would that prove than it's nothing more than a pilot's opinion?
My father worked his way up through the Queensland Fire Service for over 35 years. He was trained for emergencies that may occur at our International Airport & the Moonie gas & oil fields. He had to undergo many exams for chemistry & physics among others and emerged as one of our state's most respected officers. He was continually asked to go to Kuwait in order to put out the fires left by the retreating Iraqis.
To cut a long story short, what happened to the WTC after the planes hit came as no surprise to him and he explained it to me in scientific terms well beyond my understanding. But, at the end of the day, I would not cite his thoughts on the subject, as it would be disregarded as anecdotal by those who've already made up their minds on what happened . Furthermore, I doubt he'd care less what others thought on the matter.
My father worked his way up through the Queensland Fire Service for over 35 years. He was trained for emergencies that may occur at our International Airport & the Moonie gas & oil fields. He had to undergo many exams for chemistry & physics among others and emerged as one of our state's most respected officers. He was continually asked to go to Kuwait in order to put out the fires left by the retreating Iraqis.
To cut a long story short, what happened to the WTC after the planes hit came as no surprise to him and he explained it to me in scientific terms well beyond my understanding. But, at the end of the day, I would not cite his thoughts on the subject, as it would be disregarded as anecdotal by those who've already made up their minds on what happened . Furthermore, I doubt he'd care less what others thought on the matter.
Morning!! Your post
Thank you!
Blues63: Granted, however, some opinions can be supported by scientific evidence. My point being, I could record an interview with my father and then research his points and produce it here on CS debunking much of the fanciful tales that have gained circulation of late, but those who've made up their minds would not give it credence, hence, I couldn't be bothered.
True, but then, why is it so hard to believe that the buildings collapsed after two planes loaded with fuel hijacked by Jihadis crashed into them at speed?
All other theories appear to be preposterous in light of this.
True, but then, why is it so hard to believe that the buildings collapsed after two planes loaded with fuel hijacked by Jihadis crashed into them at speed?
All other theories appear to be preposterous in light of this.
Too logical maybe?!!!
Blues63: Granted, however, some opinions can be supported by scientific evidence. My point being, I could record an interview with my father and then research his points and produce it here on CS debunking much of the fanciful tales that have gained circulation of late, but those who've made up their minds would not give it credence, hence, I couldn't be bothered.
True, but then, why is it so hard to believe that the buildings collapsed after two planes loaded with fuel hijacked by Jihadis crashed into them at speed?
All other theories appear to be preposterous in light of this.
True, but then, why is it so hard to believe that the buildings collapsed after two planes loaded with fuel hijacked by Jihadis crashed into them at speed?
All other theories appear to be preposterous in light of this.
I don't know why it's hard to blieve that those towers collapsed.
Just like I don't know why some people in this thread are referring to others as being an idiot and the like.
No matter how many times we dicuss what took place it won't bring those victims back or put those towers back.It's funny how I've seen no mention of the victims and their families.
Blues63: Granted, however, some opinions can be supported by scientific evidence. My point being, I could record an interview with my father and then research his points and produce it here on CS debunking much of the fanciful tales that have gained circulation of late, but those who've made up their minds would not give it credence, hence, I couldn't be bothered.
True, but then, why is it so hard to believe that the buildings collapsed after two planes loaded with fuel hijacked by Jihadis crashed into them at speed?
All other theories appear to be preposterous in light of this.
True, but then, why is it so hard to believe that the buildings collapsed after two planes loaded with fuel hijacked by Jihadis crashed into them at speed?
All other theories appear to be preposterous in light of this.
Dang....Blue is a man that saw two planes hit the WTC building and believed they were the cause of the collapses. I am totally impressed to find one person out of the country that accepts the video images of the day and believes what he saw.
patmac: I notice you now say IMO....Sorry the way he did it was run and re-run in many exercises as logically PROTUS could have been a target and that is why the do as they did...Also the have many different scenarios for all events.
Staying in a bunker or office is not safe and the White House could I will say that again could have been a target.
So try dealing with real life instead of trying to have a pop for whatever reason at GWB. It is PROTUS who is protected for obvious reasons and that is regardless of who he/she is....
Staying in a bunker or office is not safe and the White House could I will say that again could have been a target.
So try dealing with real life instead of trying to have a pop for whatever reason at GWB. It is PROTUS who is protected for obvious reasons and that is regardless of who he/she is....
Just as it is in every free Country...who doesn't know this.....Wish Chris would come up with something informative just one, once I tell you!
When Cheney took to the bunker on 911....at was at the request of the Secret Service. GWB says so in his book. Cheney wanted to stay in the VP residence.
But with the country under attack.....yes read that again....with the country under attack.....and GWB on Air Force One, a easy target. The Secret Service felt it better to have the number two man in the country in a safe and secure place.
Now our government leaders might be stubborn and contentious at times. Wanting it their way and only their way. But Cheney was not going to challenge the secret service that had responsibility for his safe keeping.
Besides, any executive decision that needed to be made done....could be done from either Air Force One or from the bunker.
Both have the communication for that.
GWB did have a short comm blackout while on Air Force One. It was quickly corrected. He remembers talking with his parents, then in Minneapolis. He asks the when they were going back to Texas. His mom says...."you have us locked here in Minneapolis by grounding all the aircraft in country. So you tell us."
Cheney went to the bunker...big deal.
But with the country under attack.....yes read that again....with the country under attack.....and GWB on Air Force One, a easy target. The Secret Service felt it better to have the number two man in the country in a safe and secure place.
Now our government leaders might be stubborn and contentious at times. Wanting it their way and only their way. But Cheney was not going to challenge the secret service that had responsibility for his safe keeping.
Besides, any executive decision that needed to be made done....could be done from either Air Force One or from the bunker.
Both have the communication for that.
GWB did have a short comm blackout while on Air Force One. It was quickly corrected. He remembers talking with his parents, then in Minneapolis. He asks the when they were going back to Texas. His mom says...."you have us locked here in Minneapolis by grounding all the aircraft in country. So you tell us."
Cheney went to the bunker...big deal.
leigh2154: Just as it is in every free Country...who doesn't know this.....Wish Chris would come up with something informative just one, once I tell you!
Instigating is more fun! 
Conrad73: Instigating is more fun!
Blues63: I accused you of nothing, I merely corrected your English.
Your: Personal pronoun in the second person.
You're: Pronoun and a contraction of the verb 'are'.I found it funny that someone who labelled another as being an 'idiot' couldn't even use correct grammar.
Your: Personal pronoun in the second person.
You're: Pronoun and a contraction of the verb 'are'.I found it funny that someone who labelled another as being an 'idiot' couldn't even use correct grammar.
Point taken, but i had been up about 30 hours when i was typing it.
RobbieM: Seriously, you will learn something instead of spouting constant denials, and you can read the gentleman's bibliography, and index all you like.
Constant denials? Most people who have a source and proof just provide it but you will not for some reason.
Once again, the source, a quote and the link to check the context with.
All I ask
RobbieM: As i said, he won a Pulitzer Prize for the Journalism, so suffice to say not only is it factual, it's good journalism, by a professional.
But you said;
""I'll take the head of ISI and people that i know, over your news journalist any day of the week.""
And what did the head of the ISI say?
""It was, however, a cardinal rule of Pakistan's policy that no Americans ever become involved with the distribution of funds or arms once they arrived in the country. No Americans ever trained or had direct contact with the mujahideen, and no American official ever went inside Afghanistan""
RobbieM:
Anyway, time for a nap been up way too long repeating myself over and over and over again.
Anyway, time for a nap been up way too long repeating myself over and over and over again.
Yes, dancing around around avoiding even a semblance of proving your points must make a person tired.
Say, did I mention that I really need nothing complicated from you . Just a quote backing up each of your claims and a link as to a credible source where the quote came from to see it in context is all.
If using a book, a page number along with the quote will do nicely. You have read the books you have posted right? You are certain they contain the proof you so vainly avoid providing right?
Interesting documentary, by people that can hardly be blamed to be Truthers, or conspiracy theorists - - - - - if nothing else, it shows certain details and official report fact in a different light, asking certain questions, that usually are always asked in any incident of such monumental proportions like 9 / 11 - - - - Now before anyone comments my post, try to look at the documentary - - - - - before you speak out. Cos how can one comment something if one does not look at the offered material - - - - - Thank you . . . .
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8182697765360042032#
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8182697765360042032#
54xmax: Interesting documentary, by people that can hardly be blamed to be Truthers, or conspiracy theorists - - - - - if nothing else, it shows certain details and official report fact in a different light, asking certain questions, that usually are always asked in any incident of such monumental proportions like 9 / 11 - - - - Now before anyone comments my post, try to look at the documentary - - - - - before you speak out. Cos how can one comment something if one does not look at the offered material - - - - - Thank you . . . .
drbombay
Just a question, have you looked at the documentary, at least part of it or anything similar on the subject - - - - - ?
Just a question, have you looked at the documentary, at least part of it or anything similar on the subject - - - - - ?
drbombay:
Like really. This guy wonders why a building fell in it's own footprint. If it fell over like a giant redwood he would wonder why it didn't break in half or, fall into it's own footprint.
And wondering, how fast is a bunch of stuff falling supposed to fall if not in freefall speeds. I mean, if it fell at half the speed of freefall(120mph terminal and 180 mph tracking)would that not be strange as well?
Methinks that some people find something strange about anything. I mean, if this guy was actually onto something, it would be strange that he was still alive and not dead of some 'mysterious accident.'
54xmax: What about other points made in the video - - - - ? I admit, I am still wondering how in the hell, they have put explosives in - - - - - but why is it so much doubtful? - - - - -
How much explosives?
54xmax: and I still am trying to understand any other explenation, for building 7 colapsing, if no plane hit it - - - -
Take a glass, put it on a concrete pad with a five pound weight on top of it. Then, drop a fifty pound weight from five feet up right beside it and see how the glass shatters.
54xmax: and when you look at what agencies were in there, and what documentation was lost, when it comes to Wall Street companies - - - - - I'm just saying - - - "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark"
What agencies were in comparable sized buildings?
54xmax: Truth is sometimes crazier then fiction - - - - -
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
54xmax: What about other points made in the video - - - - ? I admit, I am still wondering how in the hell, they have put explosives in - - - - - but why is it so much doubtful? - - - - - and I still am trying to understand any other explenation, for building 7 colapsing, if no plane hit it - - - - and when you look at what agencies were in there, and what documentation was lost, when it comes to Wall Street companies - - - - - I'm just saying - - - "Something is rotten in the state of Denmark"
Truth is sometimes crazier then fiction - - - - -
Fire,and loss of Watersupply!Truth is sometimes crazier then fiction - - - - -
Simple as that!
Albertaghost: How much explosives?
Take a glass, put it on a concrete pad with a five pound weight on top of it. Then, drop a fifty pound weight from five feet up right beside it and see how the glass shatters.
What agencies were in comparable sized buildings?
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
Take a glass, put it on a concrete pad with a five pound weight on top of it. Then, drop a fifty pound weight from five feet up right beside it and see how the glass shatters.
What agencies were in comparable sized buildings?
"Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar."
Explosives - - - I don't know, I am not a demolition expert
Building Number 7 Agencies:
- ITT Hartford Insurance Group
- American Express Bank International
- Standard Chartered Bank
- Securities and Exchange Commission
- Internal Revenue Service Regional Council
- United States Secret Service
- New York City Office of Emergency Management
- Association of Insurance Commissioners
- Federal Home Loan Bank
- First State Management Group Inc.
- Provident Financial Management
- Immigration and Naturalization Service
- The Department of Defence
- Central Intelligence Agency
I do know, that what ever I post I will get responses as usual, I couldn't care less if I am called the Truther, or conspiracy theorist, I will not ever claim that I know all the answers, but one thing I will always clam - - - I don't believe Osama organized the attacks, and I am firmly convinced that 9 / 11 was a false flag operation, to get America in to war, ( + the history of American False flag operations, to promote a foreign political agendas, also speak for it self, + each time false flag had to be more tragic, cos people are simply used of - - - - tragedy today and they don't respond as emotionally to tragedy today as they have decades ago, cos we are bombarded by it by news. People are becoming apathetic to it, so you need a real shock, to get people in line ). And when you see what people got filthy rich from the war, on where those people were before 9 / 11 kind of shows an interesting picture, and small indescrepencies in time lines in reporting also speak for them selves . . . . But I understand that what ever anyone from my side of the "river" writes, or says, will be called, crazy, blind - - - - or what ever else - - - - - Frankly so many years after the fact, nobody will know for a long time what really happened - - - - and other more - - - - current events are much more important . . . . But we mustn't forget why all started and how - - - -
54xmax: Explosives - - - I don't know, I am not a demolition expert
Either is the guy on the vid.
54xmax: Building Number 7 Agencies:
- ITT Hartford Insurance Group
- American Express Bank International
- Standard Chartered Bank
- Securities and Exchange Commission
- Internal Revenue Service Regional Council
- United States Secret Service
- New York City Office of Emergency Management
- Association of Insurance Commissioners
- Federal Home Loan Bank
- First State Management Group Inc.
- Provident Financial Management
- Immigration and Naturalization Service
- The Department of Defence
- Central Intelligence Agency
- ITT Hartford Insurance Group
- American Express Bank International
- Standard Chartered Bank
- Securities and Exchange Commission
- Internal Revenue Service Regional Council
- United States Secret Service
- New York City Office of Emergency Management
- Association of Insurance Commissioners
- Federal Home Loan Bank
- First State Management Group Inc.
- Provident Financial Management
- Immigration and Naturalization Service
- The Department of Defence
- Central Intelligence Agency
Uh huh. What do you figure should have been in that building, a bunch of Seven Elevens and a few Micky D fast food outlets paying five hundred bucks a square foot per month?
54xmax: I do know, that what ever I post I will get responses as usual, I couldn't care less if I am called the Truther, or conspiracy theorist, I will not ever claim that I know all the answers, but one thing I will always clam - - - I don't believe Osama organized the attacks,
Of course not. You have him admitting it, the proof of the movements of the guys who perpetrated it and, the confessions of KSM so why on earth would you ever believe that OBL could have had anything to do with it?
54xmax: and I am firmly convinced that 9 / 11 was a false flag operation, to get America in to war,
Sure. A war Obama, with executive knowledge is pulling out of. makes complete sense to me - if I were a bloody moron.
54xmax: ( + the history of American False flag operations,
Tonkin? Hardly a false flag operation but more like a mistake that Johnson used to aid an ally to stop communism.
54xmax: to promote a foreign political agendas, also speak for it self, + each time false flag had to be more tragic,
Each time? Please list this extensive series of false flag operations.
54xmax: And when you see what people got filthy rich from the war, on where those people were before 9 / 11 kind of shows an inter
Please explain. Those getting filthy rich from war are going to get filthy rich from peace as the same amount of munitions is used in a small war as there is in training.
54xmax: But I understand that what ever anyone from my side of the "river" writes, or says, will be called, crazy, blind - - - - or what ever else - - - - -
Not calling you crazy at all. Just want you to back up your contentions with something. A feat that seems to consistently escape you and your friend robbie.
54xmax: Frankly so many years after the fact, nobody will know for a long time what really happened - - - -
I know what happened. 19 Guys faked a bunch of passengers into believeinig that they were only going to be hijacked and managed to take control of aircraft full of fuel and flew them into buildings at five hundred plus miles per hour. If an idiot somewhere figures that no damage would occur with the resulting fire and impact is to me, insanity.
54xmax: and other more - - - - current events are much more important . . . . But we mustn't forget why all started and how - - - -
Yes. With Sayid Qutib and his Muslim Brotherhood.
gleneagle: It's similar to what happened in Vietnam after the Tet offensive. The good old carrot and stick strategy. Karzai goverment will be doomed after the US disengages from Afghanistan same as happened the goverment of South Vietnam in 1975
It was all BS in Vietnam and its BS now.
Vietnam was not a war to stop Communism.
It was a war to rob American taxpayers of billions of dollars and give the money to the war industry (who then paid the politicians for the favor).
Likewise the present military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan are not about stopping any terrorist groups. They are about justifying a never-ending military occupation of strategic regions (oilfields,pipeline routes,etc) ).
Osama, Al Qaida, and the Taliban were all just mostly fake CIA creations used as props in the scam.
The US will never voluntarily leave either Afghanistan or Irak.
RayfromUSA:
It was a war to rob American taxpayers of billions of dollars and give the money to the war industry (who then paid the politicians for the favor).
It was a war to rob American taxpayers of billions of dollars and give the money to the war industry (who then paid the politicians for the favor).
So the arms industry is the only industry that has no shareholders?
RayfromUSA: Likewise the present military actions in Iraq and Afghanistan are not about stopping any terrorist groups. They are about justifying a never-ending military occupation of strategic regions (oilfields,pipeline routes,etc) ).
Tell us about all these oilfields and pipeline routes etc please. From what i understand, the oil was being sold by Saddam anyhow so no gain there, the pipeline benefits nobody that went to war against the Taliban so would like to know more please.
RayfromUSA: Osama, Al Qaida, and the Taliban were all just mostly fake CIA creations used as props in the scam.
Ok, you're up. Please provide some credible sources for this bit of poo please.
RayfromUSA:
The US will never voluntarily leave either Afghanistan or Irak.
The US will never voluntarily leave either Afghanistan or Irak.
Using the eight ball again huh?
Albertaghost: So the arms industry is the only industry that has no shareholders?
Tell us about all these oilfields and pipeline routes etc please. From what i understand, the oil was being sold by Saddam anyhow so no gain there, the pipeline benefits nobody that went to war against the Taliban so would like to know more please.
Ok, you're up. Please provide some credible sources for this bit of poo please.
Using the eight ball again huh?
Tell us about all these oilfields and pipeline routes etc please. From what i understand, the oil was being sold by Saddam anyhow so no gain there, the pipeline benefits nobody that went to war against the Taliban so would like to know more please.
Ok, you're up. Please provide some credible sources for this bit of poo please.
Using the eight ball again huh?
Hey, it has to be true~you can see it all on You Tube.
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What have i said, IGNORE ALEX JONES, listen to the witnesses.
well your highly touted Dr goes on Alex Jones so what does that say about your highly touted Dr.
Want me to read a book for you? Maybe whichever bookstore your foodstamps can be redeemed at might be able to supply the book.
Failing that, buy a copy to stimulate your economy.
Nope. Just want you to narrow the search for your point down a bit from something obscure to easy to find. Your point, provide the proof like a person who has a point to prove and the ability to do it. Cite the book, quote the passage and provide the page number. All I ask. That you cannot speaks volumes.
Come on, please it's getting pathetic from your end.
I've provided two points to disprove your point and you have yet to bring one.
You can say i'm lying all day long, keep typing Alex Jones all day long, the fact is i've only ever visited the site because of those particular media interviews.
Your dr certainly likes it. He is a guest on it.
Have you? Why would you listen to Alex jones?
Again, your a complete joke.If you want a historical run down, i suggest you use decent source of information,who that's none run from a centralised news pool.
Don't need an historical run down. Just some verifiable quotes, the link to find it at to check the context and the identity of those being quoted. A pretty regular request on a forum. Is this the first time you have been asked to provide some sort of proof to your contentions?
I've proved you wrong twice, once with your own source. What more do I need do until you provide something to redeem your contention with?
Indeed. Most people who have a source and proof just provide it but you will not for some reason.
Once again, the source, a quote and the link to check the context with.
All I ask.