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chris27292729: Comrades at arms, very often use back stubbing methods.
Well hon, if that is true, and I say "if", why not let me worry about it?...Just a thought Chris..
54xmax: - - - - to see, that there are BIG holes in the official story. Besides 9 / 11 has all the signs of a False Flag operation - - - -
Your aware of Dr. Steve Pieczenik And the fact that he's on record to give evidence to a Congressional Enquiry?
If you are unaware of who this is...or would like to hear the mans words from his own mouth, well just watch the following.
This mans credentials are impeccable.
Anyway here's the link to hear the interview for yourselves.
RobbieM: Your aware of Dr. Steve Pieczenik And the fact that he's on record to give evidence to a Congressional Enquiry?
If you are unaware of who this is...or would like to hear the mans words from his own mouth, well just watch the following.
This mans credentials are impeccable.
Anyway here's the link to hear the interview for yourselves.
If you are unaware of who this is...or would like to hear the mans words from his own mouth, well just watch the following.
This mans credentials are impeccable.
Anyway here's the link to hear the interview for yourselves.
THX I'll check it out
ttom500: The Iraq war had a positive US Congressional vote. The UN had made the US the Iraqi proterate after the first Gulf war...hence our no fly zone operations. Hence our UN presentation on Iraqi WMDs. Which none of the UN believed. Only Sadam had 500 ton of yellow cake ore for dirty nucs. Dirty nucs are a WMD.
You choose your facts with dyslexia.
You choose your facts with dyslexia.
You're joking, right? Yes, he had, I think it was actually 550 tons of yellow cake uranium ore, which was later sold to Cameco, right here in Saskatchewan.
Yes, that's what Saddam had- yellow cake uranium ore. NOT in WMD form, NOT being processed to make nukes, NOT doing ANYthing but sitting there.
And, yes, Saddam was in talks with Nigeria to acquire another 500 tons of yellow cake uranium.
But what you're talking here, and this is a hot-button issue internationally, is the making of pre-emptive war, which is the making of war based upon assumptions, what if's, might's, could have's, and so on. This, instead of relying upon actual, real, genuine threats and scenarios.
Pre-emptive war is a form of dyslexia. It's also an example of corrupted logic and twisted thinking.
54xmax: Exactly, and sure as hell it is not for American Freedom, you got none - - - The way America is becoming empire, is the way empires are created - - - - Roman empire was created in a similar way, the mechanisms are the same, and every empire rises and then falls - - - - the problem is, that when american empire will fall, it will be another dark age for man kind - - - more so cos of all the biological, nuclear crap in the world, and allot of it, was supplied by states to the countries of dictatorship regimes ( Sadam Husein ) being one of them, and Bush senior supplied it to him, together with British - - - Iraq experts were training in Britain, in usage of those weapons - - - - -
USA is known to have sponsored state acts of terrorism to promote their political agendas, ( For that matter many imperialistic countries do that, but we are talking about the states now), and as I said numerous times, if the leaders, and officials have been caught lying, and also have admitted it on occasions, when they could not deny it any-more - - - - how hard it is to actually assume, and make a logical conclusion that anything they say ( President, Establishment, Comities - - - - ) should be scrutinised, and questioned, and not simply blindly believed - - - - - 9 / 11 is a simple example, where people are concentrated on what they are being told, but don't take the time to look on the situation, - the state sponsored act of terrorism - false flag operation - - - - to see, that there are BIG holes in the official story. Besides 9 / 11 has all the signs of a False Flag operation - - - -
USA is known to have sponsored state acts of terrorism to promote their political agendas, ( For that matter many imperialistic countries do that, but we are talking about the states now), and as I said numerous times, if the leaders, and officials have been caught lying, and also have admitted it on occasions, when they could not deny it any-more - - - - how hard it is to actually assume, and make a logical conclusion that anything they say ( President, Establishment, Comities - - - - ) should be scrutinised, and questioned, and not simply blindly believed - - - - - 9 / 11 is a simple example, where people are concentrated on what they are being told, but don't take the time to look on the situation, - the state sponsored act of terrorism - false flag operation - - - - to see, that there are BIG holes in the official story. Besides 9 / 11 has all the signs of a False Flag operation - - - -
To me it's like we've all been brainwashed into believeing every single thing we're told by our own leaders.
I spoke to a airline pilot who flew the exact type of airliner which was allegged to have flown into the pentagon.He stated to me that there was no way that the damage was done could've been done by that airliner.
He felt that the towers appeared be the look of explosives they use when demolishing buildings.Compare the demolishing of a building to the towers going down.They appear similar to me.
A friedly advice,nothing bad intended,you want to worry about it,or think about it,do as you pleased.-
leigh2154: Well hon, if that is true, and I say "if", why not let me worry about it?...Just a thought Chris..
gsmonks: Hey, I've received comments with this mis-naming before!
Let me tell you something about it:
My last name is Monks- that's M-O-N-K-S. It's ostensibly an Irish name. The original was Monaghan, but the English, when they invaded Ireland, "anglicised" Irish names. "Monaghan" became "Monks".
Now, the name Monk is not Irish. It's Jewish. And bigots (the anti-semite variety) sometimes spot my last name and misread it, either by accident, or on purpose, or accidentally on purpose.
So that's what's behind Conrad's usage of the name Monk.
Before any of you go thinking Conrad accidentally mis-spoke, keep in mind that I've dealt with this exact same thing many, many times. It's no accident.
So don't do it again, Conrad. Bad dog!
Paranoid too?Let me tell you something about it:
My last name is Monks- that's M-O-N-K-S. It's ostensibly an Irish name. The original was Monaghan, but the English, when they invaded Ireland, "anglicised" Irish names. "Monaghan" became "Monks".
Now, the name Monk is not Irish. It's Jewish. And bigots (the anti-semite variety) sometimes spot my last name and misread it, either by accident, or on purpose, or accidentally on purpose.
So that's what's behind Conrad's usage of the name Monk.
Before any of you go thinking Conrad accidentally mis-spoke, keep in mind that I've dealt with this exact same thing many, many times. It's no accident.
So don't do it again, Conrad. Bad dog!
gsmonks: Oh, I see! Brutal dictator . . . that gives the US the right!
Don't see the US going after lots of other brutal dictators. Care to explain that little bit of hypocrisy and convoluted thinking?
Noble? Killing innocents was noble? Illegally killing Iraq soldiers in a battle that, top US brass at the time said was like "Star Wars vs the Flintstones"? You call that noble? You call the use of depleted uranium noble?
The world does not hate the US. There is a LOT of support for the US in Iran, especially among young university students.
But the US has a nasty habit of betraying and pissing on its supporters.
Noble? Give your head a shake!
Don't see the US going after lots of other brutal dictators. Care to explain that little bit of hypocrisy and convoluted thinking?
Noble? Killing innocents was noble? Illegally killing Iraq soldiers in a battle that, top US brass at the time said was like "Star Wars vs the Flintstones"? You call that noble? You call the use of depleted uranium noble?
The world does not hate the US. There is a LOT of support for the US in Iran, especially among young university students.
But the US has a nasty habit of betraying and pissing on its supporters.
Noble? Give your head a shake!
Who did you say did in Milosovic and Serbia, when he was doing ethnic cleansing in Kosovo? Europe could not decide which way to turn. Clinton stepped on Milosovic like a bug. I know I was there.
But that was noble. For liberal thinkers, taking down Milosovic and his group of war criminals....that they are now placing in the Hague....everyone gives Clinton a pat on the back. Heck they made a statue of Clinton in Kosovo.
But take down Sadam Hussien.....who was more deadly to his own people than 5 Milosovics combined....the world castises a conservative Bush. The UN Report I referred to has Hussien killing about 495,000 Iraqi following the first Gulf war. Those mass graves that they found in Iraq were some of his and Chemical Ali work. But that is innoble....simply because of instead digging up WMDs, we were digging up Iraqi civilian killed by Sadam.
It is all which side of the political divide you stand on. That is BS. A conservative leader can act in a noble manner just as easily as a liberal leader can. See anyone accusing Obama of War crimes in Libya? No. But Bush gets the accusation all the time.
I am not trying to make us choir boys, or wash any war crime away here. If there is solid evidence to one, I want the SOB arrested and prosecuted. That includes the CiC. But do it with evidence and proof. In a court of law. Innocent until proven guilty. Making net inneudo just does not fly and is not worth the read.jmo
Ccincy: I'd call that double standards by my country.
It's been obvious to me for years that other countries have been having good laugh about USA.
Look how we treat other countries and wonder why they hate us so.
Our leaders wine and dine other leaders from other countries and then bomb them.What is it their last meal similar to the last supper?
Now Obama wishes to negoiatw with Taliban.But yet we're killing them too.
When are we going to quit this trying to police the whole world crap and try taking care of our business here in our own country instead of preaching to other countries how to leave their lives.
The arab countries have been fighting amongest themselves since the begining of time.Let them fight their own darn battles.
Who's going to fight for the USA?
Our sons ,Daughters,Uncles,Aunts,cousins,mothers and fathers have given up their lives to fight both senseless wars.
I keep hearing it's for Freedom well who the hecks freedom is it?
A very good post,Congrats. Mine the "grapes of wrath" from some posters in this thread.It's been obvious to me for years that other countries have been having good laugh about USA.
Look how we treat other countries and wonder why they hate us so.
Our leaders wine and dine other leaders from other countries and then bomb them.What is it their last meal similar to the last supper?
Now Obama wishes to negoiatw with Taliban.But yet we're killing them too.
When are we going to quit this trying to police the whole world crap and try taking care of our business here in our own country instead of preaching to other countries how to leave their lives.
The arab countries have been fighting amongest themselves since the begining of time.Let them fight their own darn battles.
Who's going to fight for the USA?
Our sons ,Daughters,Uncles,Aunts,cousins,mothers and fathers have given up their lives to fight both senseless wars.
I keep hearing it's for Freedom well who the hecks freedom is it?
gsmonks: Hey, I've received comments with this mis-naming before!
Let me tell you something about it:
My last name is Monks- that's M-O-N-K-S. It's ostensibly an Irish name. The original was Monaghan, but the English, when they invaded Ireland, "anglicised" Irish names. "Monaghan" became "Monks".
Now, the name Monk is not Irish. It's Jewish. And bigots (the anti-semite variety) sometimes spot my last name and misread it, either by accident, or on purpose, or accidentally on purpose.
So that's what's behind Conrad's usage of the name Monk.
Before any of you go thinking Conrad accidentally mis-spoke, keep in mind that I've dealt with this exact same thing many, many times. It's no accident.
So don't do it again, Conrad. Bad dog!
Let me tell you something about it:
My last name is Monks- that's M-O-N-K-S. It's ostensibly an Irish name. The original was Monaghan, but the English, when they invaded Ireland, "anglicised" Irish names. "Monaghan" became "Monks".
Now, the name Monk is not Irish. It's Jewish. And bigots (the anti-semite variety) sometimes spot my last name and misread it, either by accident, or on purpose, or accidentally on purpose.
So that's what's behind Conrad's usage of the name Monk.
Before any of you go thinking Conrad accidentally mis-spoke, keep in mind that I've dealt with this exact same thing many, many times. It's no accident.
So don't do it again, Conrad. Bad dog!
chris27292729: A very good post,Congrats. Mine the "grapes of wrath" from some posters in this thread.
Thanks Chis I've got broad shoulders I can take it.Besides I don't feel I need to prove anything to anyone.
If my word isn't good enough for them then any written proof wouldn't be good enough either.
I don't have to go home with them at the end of the day nor sleep with them.It's only the internet.
By the way ...one little thought on preemptive military strikes.
Had GWB learned with actionable evidence of the 911 attack prior to event. He would have cause for a preemptive military strike on bin Laden.
Obama just did a pre emptive strike (raid) on bin Laden in Pakistan. He struck bin Laden prior to his many planned mass murder attacks occurred. The US is not war with Pakistan or have Paksitani approval for military operations in the country.
So the bin Laden raid was preemptive in a sense. Nor did Obama go to the UN to ask permission on the bin Laden raid.
Now I will let you consider why we did not make a request for such permission from the Pakistani or the UN. All these friends of America seem to have the ability to share operational knowledge with American enemies. Just might be the reason.
Had GWB learned with actionable evidence of the 911 attack prior to event. He would have cause for a preemptive military strike on bin Laden.
Obama just did a pre emptive strike (raid) on bin Laden in Pakistan. He struck bin Laden prior to his many planned mass murder attacks occurred. The US is not war with Pakistan or have Paksitani approval for military operations in the country.
So the bin Laden raid was preemptive in a sense. Nor did Obama go to the UN to ask permission on the bin Laden raid.
Now I will let you consider why we did not make a request for such permission from the Pakistani or the UN. All these friends of America seem to have the ability to share operational knowledge with American enemies. Just might be the reason.
ttom500: By the way ...one little thought on preemptive military strikes.
Had GWB learned with actionable evidence of the 911 attack prior to event. He would have cause for a preemptive military strike on bin Laden.
Obama just did a pre emptive strike (raid) on bin Laden in Pakistan. He struck bin Laden prior to his many planned mass murder attacks occurred. The US is not war with Pakistan or have Paksitani approval for military operations in the country.
So the bin Laden raid was preemptive in a sense. Nor did Obama go to the UN to ask permission on the bin Laden raid.
Now I will let you consider why we did not make a request for such permission from the Pakistani or the UN. All these friends of America seem to have the ability to share operational knowledge with American enemies. Just might be the reason.
Had GWB learned with actionable evidence of the 911 attack prior to event. He would have cause for a preemptive military strike on bin Laden.
Obama just did a pre emptive strike (raid) on bin Laden in Pakistan. He struck bin Laden prior to his many planned mass murder attacks occurred. The US is not war with Pakistan or have Paksitani approval for military operations in the country.
So the bin Laden raid was preemptive in a sense. Nor did Obama go to the UN to ask permission on the bin Laden raid.
Now I will let you consider why we did not make a request for such permission from the Pakistani or the UN. All these friends of America seem to have the ability to share operational knowledge with American enemies. Just might be the reason.
Correct on all counts...you don't expect the nay sayers to grasp this do you TT?....This kind of logic coupled with "fact" is way over their heads.....
Another interesting information can be found here on this site - - - - -
54xmax: Interesting information, contradicting the official story
Already seen all of this, and its been discounted...Do some more searching.
Bane6: Already seen all of this, and its been discounted...Do some more searching.
It was - - - - I am curious by who - - - can you give me the links ?
Truth.org offers Conspiracy Theories, Jesus Christ, Addiction Counseling, and Biblical Truth. Truth - your number one choice for Freedom of Information
54xmax: Another interesting information can be found here on this site - - - - -
Ever speak to a pilot face to face? I did not to long after 9/11 happened.It was an interesting and enlightening conversation.
54xmax: Interesting information, contradicting the official story
That's just another person's interpetation-conjecture at the very least!...I don't believe everything I hear & 1/2 of what I see..54xmax: It was - - - - I am curious by who - - - can you give me the links ?
Your so hell bent on conspiracy theories do your own searching.
Of course you'll pick and choose whatever relates to your posts.
Bane6: Already seen all of this, and its been discounted...Do some more searching.
Also, start from 2011 and work you way back!
Conrad73: http://www.plaguepuppy.net/public_html/dropbox/Dimitri_Khalezov_Book_Third_Truth_911_free_11chapters.pdf
Tesla dood it!
gsmonks:
9-11 is a perfect example. The Iraq war was illegal, was not sanctioned by the UN,
9-11 is a perfect example. The Iraq war was illegal, was not sanctioned by the UN,
I see your problem, you have not bothered to read any of the UNSC resolutions in which UNSC Res 678 of 1990 which authorized Member States to use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution.
It makes note that this is still in effect in 1441 of 2002
""Recalling that its resolution 678 (1990) authorized Member States to use all necessary means to uphold and implement its resolution 660 (1990) of 2 August 1990 and all relevant resolutions subsequent to resolution 660 (1990) and to restore international peace and security in the area,""
Now, what does "all necessary means" not allow when taken in the context of 'a last and final opportunity,' "Determined to ensure full and immediate compliance by Iraq without conditions or restrictions," "Decides that Iraq has been and remains in material breach of its obligations under relevant resolutions, including resolution 687 (1991), in particular through Iraq's failure to cooperate with United Nations inspectors and the IAEA," "to afford Iraq, by this resolution, a final opportunity to comply with its disarmament obligations" "the Council has repeatedly warned Iraq that it will face serious consequences as a result of its continued violations of its obligations;"?
So, on 7 March 2003,Hans Blix states the Iraq is in material breach, "any means necessary" is implemented as agreed upon by the UNSC in eight of their resolutions to ensure Iraq complies with the ceasefire terms.
So, if the invasion was illegal then one has to prove the UNSC acted illegally when making the resolutions stating the action may be taken. Nobody has done that so far.
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By the way....did you see the news today? 40 Iraqi killed by some Islamic group in car bombings. Gee some things will never change there.
We made a noble effort to remove a brutal dictator in Sadam Hussien. Check the UN reports on the his death totals for us some time. The world hates us for it. Fine the world can sniff my rosy behind, all it wants.
Oh, I see! Brutal dictator . . . that gives the US the right!
Don't see the US going after lots of other brutal dictators. Care to explain that little bit of hypocrisy and convoluted thinking?
Noble? Killing innocents was noble? Illegally killing Iraq soldiers in a battle that, top US brass at the time said was like "Star Wars vs the Flintstones"? You call that noble? You call the use of depleted uranium noble?
The world does not hate the US. There is a LOT of support for the US in Iran, for example, especially among young university students.
But the US has a nasty habit of betraying and pissing on its supporters.
Noble? Give your head a shake!