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Jun 19, 2011 3:28 PM CSTUS is negotiating with Taliban
Ladefoss23
Ladefoss23Ladefoss23Langen, Hessen, Germany79 Threads 26 Polls 1,898 Posts

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That's good
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ugly
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crazy
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wise
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if u can't beat them, join them
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frustrated barf
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Jun 21, 2011 3:18 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
gleneagle
gleneaglegleneagleNew York City, New York USA36 Threads 3 Polls 1,147 Posts
It's similar to what happened in Vietnam after the Tet offensive. The good old carrot and stick strategy. Karzai goverment will be doomed after the US disengages from Afghanistan same as happened the goverment of South Vietnam in 1975
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Jun 21, 2011 3:34 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
I'm not in the least surpried.laugh
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Jun 21, 2011 3:35 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Ladefoss23
Ladefoss23Ladefoss23Langen, Hessen Germany79 Threads 26 Polls 1,898 Posts
Ccincy: I'm not in the least surpried.


jesus , how can anyone negotiate with people who caused 9-11barf
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Jun 21, 2011 3:36 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Tomcats2
Tomcats2Tomcats2Norwich, Norfolk, England UK81 Threads 9 Polls 2,249 Posts
Ccincy: I'm not in the least surpried.
well war cant go on forever and the terrosist are gone to pakistan and that wwas the reason troops were there in the first place
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Jun 21, 2011 3:36 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
I wonder what kind of promises will be made and if Obama will wine and dine them.laugh
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Jun 21, 2011 3:37 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Ladefoss23
Ladefoss23Ladefoss23Langen, Hessen Germany79 Threads 26 Polls 1,898 Posts
gleneagle: It's similar to what happened in Vietnam after the Tet offensive. The good old carrot and stick strategy. Karzai goverment will be doomed after the US disengages from Afghanistan same as happened the goverment of South Vietnam in 1975


it is accepting the defeat of the most powerful army fro bunch of idiots..there'll be another 9-11
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Jun 21, 2011 3:39 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Tomcats2: well war cant go on forever and the terrosist are gone to pakistan and that wwas the reason troops were there in the first place


There's always been a reason for having troops police the whole world.laugh
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Jun 21, 2011 3:40 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Ladefoss23: jesus , how can anyone negotiate with people who caused 9-11


I have my suspiciions about who began what to do with 9-11 and will keep them to myself espceially online.There are way to many doubting thomas's laugh
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Jun 21, 2011 3:49 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
21 June 2011

Negotiating with the Taliban
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Amin Saikal


Both presidents Hamid Karzai and Barack Obama have reached a point of desperation about finding a way out of their increased vulnerability in Afghanistan.

The Afghan leader feels the heat as the time draws closer to the beginning of the American troop withdrawal next month. The US leader has lost public support and financial strength to continue the war. The path chosen is to open peace talks with the Taliban and their affiliates after fighting them as terrorists for a decade. Can this approach work?

This is not the first time that the Karzai government and its international backers, the US in particular, have contacted some Taliban elements for peace talks. Encouraged by the Taliban's main backer Pakistan as early as 2003 Karzai and the then US ambassador to Afghanistan, Zalmay Khalilzad, called on the Taliban to lay down their arms and negotiate a settlement. However, the Taliban have always preconditioned peace talks with the Karzai government on the withdrawal of foreign forces.

The US and its NATO and non-NATO partners are not in a better position now to bring the Taliban to the negotiating table. They have neither secured a credible partner on the ground, as the Karzai government has proved to be corrupt, dysfunctional and unpopular, nor managed to marginalise the Taliban or rebuild Afghanistan to the extent necessary to give confidence to the Afghan people that they are not going to be sold out at the end.

Both the Karzai government and the US and its allies have squandered numerous opportunities in pursuit of self-seeking and altruistic objectives, paying little or no attention to the advice and recommendations of those who have well understood the complexity of Afghanistan and its neighbourhood in both historical and contemporary terms. They have been content mostly with listening to themselves and some so-called Western and Afghan experts who, like many governmental and non-governmental organisations, have turned the Afghanistan conflict into an industry for self-promotion and self-enrichment.

Numerous reports and studies have been compiled by such experts and organisations on how to reform various aspects of Afghan politics and society, and how to deal with the regional dynamics of the Afghan conflict, especially in relation to Pakistan. Most of these reports and studies have either gathered dust on the shelves of various ministries and government departments in Kabul or have borne little relation to the reality of the situation on the ground in Afghanistan.

The Karzai leadership and its international backers have often touted their position in terms of promoting the wellbeing, security and prosperity of the Afghan people. Yet in practical terms, a majority of the Afghan people continue to live in abject poverty, placing Afghanistan at the bottom of the UN index of poorest countries in the world. Paradoxically, a small new rich class has emerged. This new class is composed of the Karzai family, senior government officials, drug traffickers, mega poppy growers, regional strongmen and some former Mujahideen commanders, who fought the Soviet occupation of Afghanistan in the 1980s, with full US support. Backed by many expatriate benefactors, whose presence in Afghanistan has increasingly become a liability for the country, this class presents the modern face of Afghanistan. It is linked internationally but remains detached from the daily grind of ordinary Afghans, whose sense of insecurity, unpredictability and impoverishment remains pervasive.


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Jun 21, 2011 3:50 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
A majority of Afghans, including many of the ethnic Pashtuns, to which the Taliban, Karzai and his cohorts belong, do not want the return to power of the Taliban. Women and non-Pashtun citizens who form a majority of the population suffered terribly under the Taliban's highly discriminatory and draconian rule when they were in power from 1996 to 2011. Most of them fear that in any power-sharing deal that may be struck, the Taliban will be able to take power within weeks, given the profound weakness of the Karzai government. Afghan society is very mosaic, and if an agreement does not have the support of a cross-section of its people, then even the prospect of such an agreement may compel many (especially non-Pashtun) segments of the population to take up arms. They could expect support from various regional actors, ranging from Iran to Russia and India, as none of these states would want Pakistan to regain the influence that it had when the Taliban were in power. The Afghan National Army and police force on which Karzai and the US and its allies want to rely to implement a deal with the Taliban could easily disintegrate in pursuit of conflicting local interests.

The conditions are simply not ready for any meaningful and realistic negotiated settlement with the Taliban. The only way that a settlement could work is if Afghanistan has a strong and workable government, and if there is a regional consensus, with strong UN Security Council punitive measures in place to punish those regional actors which may violate that consensus. We are a long way off reaching this goal, yet the US and its allies are itching to get out of the country as soon as possible. The Taliban knows all of this. They do not need to win the war; all they need to do is to stay in the fight. They have so far shown sufficient resilience and capacity to be able to do this. As such, they can wait until 2014 when the UN and its allies are due to end their combat operations in Afghanistan.

Amin Saikal is Professor of Political Science and director of the Centre for Arab and Islamic Studies (the Middle East and Central Asia) at the Australian National University, and editor of The Afghanistan Conflict: Australia's
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Jun 21, 2011 3:54 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Ladefoss23
Ladefoss23Ladefoss23Langen, Hessen Germany79 Threads 26 Polls 1,898 Posts
Ccincy: There's always been a reason for having troops police the whole world.


that's what a super power is expected to do.. or resign being a supepower
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Jun 21, 2011 3:55 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Ladefoss23
Ladefoss23Ladefoss23Langen, Hessen Germany79 Threads 26 Polls 1,898 Posts
Tomcats2: well war cant go on forever and the terrosist are gone to pakistan and that wwas the reason troops were there in the first place


have u sn the border between pakistan and afghanistan?
there is no border..
who sayd they have gone back to pakistan?
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Jun 21, 2011 3:56 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Ladefoss23
Ladefoss23Ladefoss23Langen, Hessen Germany79 Threads 26 Polls 1,898 Posts
Ccincy: I know Lad.


u mean ladder?laugh
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Jun 21, 2011 3:58 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Ladefoss23: u mean ladder?


laugh Are you on the height thingy again.
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Jun 21, 2011 3:59 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Ladefoss23: that's what a super power is expected to do.. or resign being a supepower


Or so they believe they are.To me they're only bullies.
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Jun 21, 2011 4:05 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Ladefoss23
Ladefoss23Ladefoss23Langen, Hessen Germany79 Threads 26 Polls 1,898 Posts
Ccincy: Are you on the height thingy again.


it's an obsession.. 54 an i am still bloody gtting taller , a Cm a year

soon i can french kiss jirafesrolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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thn i won't need CSyay
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Jun 21, 2011 4:06 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Ladefoss23
Ladefoss23Ladefoss23Langen, Hessen Germany79 Threads 26 Polls 1,898 Posts
Ccincy: Are you on the height thingy again.


look..u have to come to terms with the FACT, that I am taller than himcomfort rolling on the floor laughing rolling on the floor laughing
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Jun 21, 2011 4:10 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
Ladefoss23: look..u have to come to terms with the FACT, that I am taller than him


But I never said how tall he is.laugh
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Jun 22, 2011 1:21 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Jaffery
JafferyJafferyLahore, Punjab Pakistan3 Threads 2 Polls 9 Posts
US should not negotiating with Taliban because they think that they are very strong and they will gather. this action will boosup thier energy and they try to conquer the world. Taliban are terrerists and creating heavoc in the world. they must be crush with full force. they camofladge in Religen Islam. infact, Islam is peacefull religen and it dosnt allow any person for bloodshed. it teachs humanity, peace, love, democracy, unity in the world. Taliban's agenda is something else to create heavoc and to conquer the word.
so US should not negotiate with Talibans
Thanks
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Jun 22, 2011 2:44 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Wow_Factor
Wow_FactorWow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts
Jaffery: US should not negotiating with Taliban because they think that they are very strong and they will gather. this action will boosup thier energy and they try to conquer the world. Taliban are terrerists and creating heavoc in the world. they must be crush with full force. they camofladge in Religen Islam. infact, Islam is peacefull religen and it dosnt allow any person for bloodshed. it teachs humanity, peace, love, democracy, unity in the world. Taliban's agenda is something else to create heavoc and to conquer the word.
so US should not negotiate with Talibans
Thanks


Uh oh rolling on the floor laughing
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Jun 22, 2011 2:47 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
54xmax
54xmax54xmaxDublin, Ireland32 Threads 5 Polls 1,712 Posts
Ladefoss23: jesus , how can anyone negotiate with people who caused 9-11


Taliban didn't cause the 9 /11 It was done by the Bush and Company - - - - grin - - - - - Besides, no surprise there, sooner or later after war, comes negotiations, and then peace grin - - - -
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Jun 22, 2011 5:08 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
54xmax: Taliban didn't cause the 9 /11 It was done by the Bush and Company - - - - - - - - - Besides, no surprise there, sooner or later after war, comes negotiations, and then peace - - - -


Becarful they might come get you.Our government has to have an excuse to start wars.laugh
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Jun 22, 2011 11:25 PM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
mnowsa
mnowsamnowsaRajshahi, Rajshahi Division Bangladesh145 Threads 3 Polls 7,536 Posts
US is negotiating with taliban? hmmm.....it could only mean that the USA never negotiates with the terroristscheers
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Jun 23, 2011 7:27 AM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Blues63
Blues63Blues63Brisbane, Queensland Australia6 Threads 1 Polls 2,934 Posts
Well, this poll is not very biased laugh

Did it occur to you that NATO realises that the situation is untenable? Only compromise can effect a withdrawal.

Perhaps the fact that so many boys are dying in this place (not only US I might add), and the situation shows no military resolution, that a diplomatic reconciliation might save the lives of more soldiers who are clearly fighting an unpopular war.

Let's see how it plays out. The Taliban won't be given majority control of the government and they are aware of what could happen in the event of a takeover.
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Jun 23, 2011 7:30 AM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
Blues63: Well, this poll is not very biased

Did it occur to you that NATO realises that the situation is untenable? Only compromise can effect a withdrawal.

Perhaps the fact that so many boys are dying in this place (not only US I might add), and the situation shows no military resolution, that a diplomatic reconciliation might save the lives of more soldiers who are clearly fighting an unpopular war.

Let's see how it plays out. The Taliban won't be given majority control of the government and they are aware of what could happen in the event of a takeover.


thumbs up thumbs up thumbs up Spot on!!
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Jun 23, 2011 7:31 AM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
54xmax
54xmax54xmaxDublin, Ireland32 Threads 5 Polls 1,712 Posts
Ccincy: I know they have always had an excuse to start wars but citizens who wrote these people in office refuse to believe it or face it.

While talking on the phone one time with my 1st cousin we both agreed that it was all politics and ours and everyone elses sons,daughters etc were being used political pawns.

When will people who vote from both of these politcial parties begin to wakeup and realize that none of our politicans give a crap about us.Every many of our troops have to pay with their lives?


Yeah, and the worst of it, my country is allies with your country, and guess where I was sent cos of it - - - - - So it concerns not only Americans, but the world as a whole - - - - In the end everybody get's screwed grin

I hear sometimes "why am I complaining, I'm not living in the states" The problem is, that what "they do" it affects other countries too - - - -
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Jun 23, 2011 7:40 AM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
leigh2154
leigh2154leigh2154Crossville, Tennessee USA5 Threads 6,408 Posts
54xmax: Yeah, and the worst of it, my country is allies with your country, and guess where I was sent cos of it - - - - - So it concerns not only Americans, but the world as a whole - - - - In the end everybody get's screwed

I hear sometimes "why am I complaining, I'm not living in the states" The problem is, that what "they do" it affects other countries too - - - -


So if you feel this way my friend could not the same be said of doing nothing?hug
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Jun 23, 2011 7:41 AM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
54xmax: Yeah, and the worst of it, my country is allies with your country, and guess where I was sent cos of it - - - - - So it concerns not only Americans, but the world as a whole - - - - In the end everybody get's screwed

I hear sometimes "why am I complaining, I'm not living in the states" The problem is, that what "they do" it affects other countries too - - - -



It's funny how our country(USA) and other countries call what they do 'negoiating'.I suppose bombing other countries is 'negoiating' way way to funny.They make policial deals behind our backs all the time and we the citizens are stupid enough to believe that our leaders are going to make all our problems go away.

I have people accuse me of not knowing to which I'm speaking.I'm alot smarter then people give me credit for.

People piss and moan cause things aren't going the way they thought it would/should but they keep on voting these very smae people in office time and time again.Well they get what they pay for.
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Jun 23, 2011 7:44 AM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
Blues63
Blues63Blues63Brisbane, Queensland Australia6 Threads 1 Polls 2,934 Posts
Why is this poll about the US? It's a coalition in Afghanistan; many nations came together in an effort to rid the world of supporters of Al-Quaeda.

It would appear that this poll is yet another veiled anti-american diatribe.

doh
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Jun 23, 2011 7:48 AM CST US is negotiating with Taliban
raphael118
raphael118raphael118arlington, Virginia USA8 Threads 2 Polls 1,074 Posts
you cant turn a bunch of hogs into race horses.
a civil war followed by the west sending cruise missles etc. etc. might work a lot better.


we cant afford the astronomical sums of money forever.
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