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Jul 22, 2011 12:21 PM CSTThe Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota, USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts

The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication(Vote Below)

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Yes, women prefer more vagueness and mystery
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Women are no more vague or mysterious than men
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It has often been suggested that women in general have greater expectations of mind-reading from their significant others than men in general do - that is, they expect their mates to understand what they mean and what they want without explicitly expressing those meanings or wants.

Sometimes this is called "mind-reading." Lately, I've been wondering, as a sort of corollary, if women prefer vaguer kinds of statements and perhaps even an aura of mystery.

First, do you believe that women in general are more inclined to adopting a partial shroud of mystery, composed in part by more vague statements and other selective information-withholding, than are men?

My own experience with women is that this is indeed the case. I'm not sure, however, why it is. I have some speculations, but I'll leave them to later.
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Jul 22, 2011 12:31 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
Happygolucky4uonline now!
Happygolucky4uonline now!Happygolucky4uTreasure Coast, Florida USA25 Threads 4 Polls 6,241 Posts
Ambrose2007: It has often been suggested that women in general have greater expectations of mind-reading from their significant others than men in general do - that is, they expect their mates to understand what they mean and what they want without explicitly expressing those meanings or wants.

Sometimes this is called "mind-reading." Lately, I've been wondering, as a sort of corollary, if women prefer vaguer kinds of statements and perhaps even an aura of mystery.

First, do you believe that women in general are more inclined to adopting a partial shroud of mystery, composed in part by more vague statements and other selective information-withholding, than are men?

My own experience with women is that this is indeed the case. I'm not sure, however, why it is. I have some speculations, but I'll leave them to later.
I am not sure why it is or that it isdunno I learned early in life I am not a mind reader and I cannot tell another humanbeing what they are thinking and how they feel. So I just always assumed others were not mind readers either uh oh If a man wants mystery from me it will not be that kind of mystery. To put the nut in the shell it does not sound like alot of fun. Comunication to me is the bases of a good relationship. wine
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Jul 22, 2011 12:43 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
I've never thought that men were mindreaders.I'm not a mindreader either.

I've always figured that if I don't verbally and clearly communictae to my b/f what it is then it's my own fault if he doesn't get it.Simple
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Jul 22, 2011 12:51 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
54xmax
54xmax54xmaxDublin, Ireland32 Threads 5 Polls 1,712 Posts
manroe23: sounds we are likes a witch


Well you do get around with the broom grin So you tell me grin
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Jul 22, 2011 1:03 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
Boban1
Boban1Boban1bigplace, Central Serbia Serbia144 Threads 5 Polls 18,789 Posts
Ambrose2007: It has often been suggested that women in general have greater expectations of mind-reading from their significant others than men in general do - that is, they expect their mates to understand what they mean and what they want without explicitly expressing those meanings or wants.

Sometimes this is called "mind-reading." Lately, I've been wondering, as a sort of corollary, if women prefer vaguer kinds of statements and perhaps even an aura of mystery.

First, do you believe that women in general are more inclined to adopting a partial shroud of mystery, composed in part by more vague statements and other selective information-withholding, than are men?

My own experience with women is that this is indeed the case. I'm not sure, however, why it is. I have some speculations, but I'll leave them to later.

hmmm lets see, what have we here ...Women and their expectations

Women have a exaggerated opinion about them self ...

Women want a mind reader...


okay... seems about right ...grin
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Jul 22, 2011 1:06 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
manroe23
manroe23manroe23indonesia, Jakarta Indonesia7 Threads 6,801 Posts
54xmax: Well you do get around with the broom So you tell me


Max , i don't need a broom but i like to have a wand grin
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Jul 22, 2011 1:21 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
Elmorya
ElmoryaElmoryaMidrand, Gauteng South Africa5 Threads 484 Posts
Well, I think women in general have better intuitive feelings/emotions....
And a real live gypsy woman would definitely (for me), potray an aura of mystique - at least so I think!
Only one way to find out....Any gypsy women on this site?
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Jul 22, 2011 1:26 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
montecito
montecitomontecitoLovely, New Jersey USA96 Threads 2 Polls 5,086 Posts
I need to preface my comment that the following does not mean all women. So to my fellow female peeps, please don't be angry with me.

I do think women overdo it expecting men to read their minds. We don't even have to do it with words, body language usually works. Example: Family is done eating dinner. She clears dishes from the table, he goes to watch tv. Soon he hears loud noise as she slams pots and pans around. He assumes she's angry but he doesn't know why. He never gives it a second thought that she wanted help in the kitchen. If she asked him to help her, he would have.

Women have a tendency to ask a man a question. He answers but it's not the full answer that she wanted. So she sulks. He baits her to find out what's wrong and then she rambles on that she asked him a question but he didn't respond the "right" way. What happened here is that she wanted conversation, she wanted him to respond in detail. Men don't talk in detail. They answer the question and then move on to the next thing.

I'm uncomfortable asking men to do something even if it's moving something heavy. I'd rather he see me struggling in hopes that he will read my mind and offer to help. I should just ask him but I won't because there's a good chance he will complain and grumble about it and I don't want to hear it.

It's back to the same 'ol thing how differently male and female minds work. Women are detail oriented, men are project oriented. He wants her to spell out what she wants so he can take care of it. But all she gives him are hints of her concern so he doesn't know what's really on her mind and has to ask her a question. She gets annoyed cause she thought she told him the first time and now they are impatient with each other. They both shut down, sulking, ignoring each other and each one wonders, whose going to talk first..doh
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Jul 22, 2011 1:29 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
Happygolucky4uonline now!
Happygolucky4uonline now!Happygolucky4uTreasure Coast, Florida USA25 Threads 4 Polls 6,241 Posts
54xmax: This is how I live my life, and I agree with you about what you wrote in your post - - - -

But this is not the only reason, why some women behave like they have a pole stuck up their behinds, and play mind Cosmopolitan Games - - - as if they are taking 10 steps to keep a guy interested - CRAP
Yes there are some people men and women who play mind games. They are not in my life. I like to be around mentally sound people. Games are for children. I am a real womangrin And I have never had a problem holding a mans interest when I wanted it wink
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Jul 22, 2011 1:33 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
54xmax
54xmax54xmaxDublin, Ireland32 Threads 5 Polls 1,712 Posts
montecito: I need to preface my comment that the following does not mean all women. So to my fellow female peeps, please don't be angry with me.

I do think women overdo it expecting men to read their minds. We don't even have to do it with words, body language usually works. Example: Family is done eating dinner. She clears dishes from the table, he goes to watch tv. Soon he hears loud noise as she slams pots and pans around. He assumes she's angry but he doesn't know why. He never gives it a second thought that she wanted help in the kitchen. If she asked him to help her, he would have.

Women have a tendency to ask a man a question. He answers but it's not the full answer that she wanted. So she sulks. He baits her to find out what's wrong and then she rambles on that she asked him a question but he didn't respond the "right" way. What happened here is that she wanted conversation, she wanted him to respond in detail. Men don't talk in detail. They answer the question and then move on to the next thing.

I'm uncomfortable asking men to do something even if it's moving something heavy. I'd rather he see me struggling in hopes that he will read my mind and offer to help. I should just ask him but I won't because there's a good chance he will complain and grumble about it and I don't want to hear it.

It's back to the same 'ol thing how differently male and female minds work. Women are detail oriented, men are project oriented. He wants her to spell out what she wants so he can take care of it. But all she gives him are hints of her concern so he doesn't know what's really on her mind and has to ask her a question. She gets annoyed cause she thought she told him the first time and now they are impatient with each other. They both shut down, sulking, ignoring each other and each one wonders, whose going to talk first..


I think this goes for majority of women - - - - and you are absolutely right - - - - - Men can never win - - - - and we do things if we are told what is bugging women, or if they want help bouquet
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Jul 22, 2011 1:34 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
54xmax
54xmax54xmaxDublin, Ireland32 Threads 5 Polls 1,712 Posts
Happygolucky4u: Yes there are some people men and women who play mind games. They are not in my life. I like to be around mentally sound people. Games are for children. I am a real woman And I have never had a problem holding a mans interest when I wanted it


Mentally sound people So what the hell are you doing on CS then grin grin grin grin grin
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Jul 22, 2011 1:39 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
Elmorya
ElmoryaElmoryaMidrand, Gauteng South Africa5 Threads 484 Posts
// post edit....

A lady that I much admired in my youth & had an air of mystery about her was: Authoress, Agatha Christie! I read most of her books & was captivated by her.
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Jul 22, 2011 1:47 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
Happygolucky4uonline now!
Happygolucky4uonline now!Happygolucky4uTreasure Coast, Florida USA25 Threads 4 Polls 6,241 Posts
54xmax: Mentally sound people So what the hell are you doing on CS then
Learning.....learning alot laugh
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Jul 22, 2011 1:56 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
TrueBlue1986
TrueBlue1986TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
Ambrose2007: It has often been suggested that women in general have greater expectations of mind-reading from their significant others than men in general do - that is, they expect their mates to understand what they mean and what they want without explicitly expressing those meanings or wants.

Sometimes this is called "mind-reading." Lately, I've been wondering, as a sort of corollary, if women prefer vaguer kinds of statements and perhaps even an aura of mystery.

First, do you believe that women in general are more inclined to adopting a partial shroud of mystery, composed in part by more vague statements and other selective information-withholding, than are men?

My own experience with women is that this is indeed the case. I'm not sure, however, why it is. I have some speculations, but I'll leave them to later.


Women are better at getting a "feel" for something, their subconscious is more attuned to picking up subtle details than a Man's is - on average. This gives them greater intuition.

They've studied this effect in tests and from just a picture of someone's eyes, a Woman can tell the emotional state of the person in the picture with far greater accuracy than a Man, meaning they have subtler perceptions than we do. So a Man needs words to perceive things around him where a Woman may not. This would seem mysterious, but it's just biology.
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Jul 22, 2011 1:59 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
leo1shay
leo1shayleo1shayToronto, Ontario Canada2 Threads 161 Posts
Women and men are different!!!!
Men can have a fight and 10 min later it doesn't even fase them.
A woman can have a fight and month later it comes up in the next fight!
Communication / honesty
why is it that when we start dating , we ( men and woman ) use their best manners, flirting, behaviour to lour or capture our mate! then when we get comfortable we let down our guard and the true personality comes out. Then of course the whole relationship changes and the nagging and fighting starts.
men want to change the woman, the woman wants to change the man.
What happened to the time " what really attracted you to your mate?" What has changed????
Abviously it is the communication!!! the " truth " - and not the mind reading or game playing or whatever the falseness of attraction was in the first place.

be true and honest at the beginning! If you go out for supper and it is a restaurant that you really don't like " say it!" don't pretend !
If you go to a movie and it is a chick flick - tell her you don't like those types of movies!

Be honest at the beginning and not waste 5- 6 years being someone your not. this goes for men and woman!

Communications is everything, honest and truth
this will get you thru everything in life!!! and makes one hell of a great relationship


that is my two cents to this subject
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Jul 22, 2011 1:59 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
cherrybrandy
cherrybrandycherrybrandycambridge, Cambridgeshire, England UK24 Threads 7,473 Posts
TrueBlue1986: Women are better at getting a "feel" for something, their subconscious is more attuned to picking up subtle details than a Man's is - on average. This gives them greater intuition.

They've studied this effect in tests and from just a picture of someone's eyes, a Woman can tell the emotional state of the person in the picture with far greater accuracy than a Man, meaning they have subtler perceptions than we do. So a Man needs words to perceive things around him where a Woman may not. This would seem mysterious, but it's just biology.
thumbs up finally,something that makes sense..
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Jul 22, 2011 2:17 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
montecito
montecitomontecitoLovely, New Jersey USA96 Threads 2 Polls 5,086 Posts
TrueBlue1986: Women are better at getting a "feel" for something, their subconscious is more attuned to picking up subtle details than a Man's is - on average. This gives them greater intuition.

They've studied this effect in tests and from just a picture of someone's eyes, a Woman can tell the emotional state of the person in the picture with far greater accuracy than a Man, meaning they have subtler perceptions than we do. So a Man needs words to perceive things around him where a Woman may not. This would seem mysterious, but it's just biology.


I have used body language when interviewing for a job by not leaning back in a chair but instead sat on the edge and leaned forward. This opens the opportunity for discussion. Folding arms across the front of your body is a sign that you are closed off to the other person. Hence, my profile pic.laugh It wasn't intentional to do that in the pic but I do think it was subliminal.


How Does Body Language Work? General OverviewBody language is a type of nonverbal communication that can be very subtle or highly blatant. In its more subtle form, body language consists of small muscle twitches, pupil dilations and pheromones; however, the more obvious body language signals include posture, arm and leg movements and facial expressions. Nonverbal cues often convey a person's attitude or mood before the person has even spoken a word. Many people believe that the study of body language is an important way of understanding others, especially when the verbal message is not clear.

How It WorksBody language is a very complicated and misleading science. There has not been adequate research to fully explain the phenomenon of nonverbal communication. There are, however, several factors that are generally viewed by most researchers to be true and correct. Overt body language consists of specific body posturing and facial expressions. For example, if a person has a big smile on her face, it generally communicates that she is feeling happy, friendly or just enjoying herself. Similarly, tears, a look of boredom or scowl indicating anger are associated with the corresponding emotions, even if the person does not communicate those feelings verbally. Posturing relates to how a person is standing or sitting. A person who is standing up straight and has a good posture is communicating to others that he is confident, whereas someone with a slouchy posture is often a shy person who is trying to not be noticed. Body language is also used to communicate attraction toward another person. Subtle cues such as a dilation of the pupils, eyes opening wider, and torso and feet pointed toward the person of interest indicate attraction. On the other hand, turning one's back, turning away and crossing one's arms across the chest are signs of closed body language and signal dislike or disinterest. Body language also works to show emphasis. In this case, body language cues work together with the spoken language. Nodding of the head, shaking of a finger, or outstretched arms enhance a statement or story. For example, if a person is telling an exciting story, she may stretch out her arms or thrust her body forward at key moments in the tale.

WarningsThough body language cues are often accurate in communicating how another person is feeling or what he is thinking, they can also be misleading. Sometimes a person may be smiling or laughing on the outside, but on the inside he is trying to hide sadness or pain. Some people are also able to cry on cue even if nothing upsetting has happened. In these instances, body language can be misinterpreted by onlookers and misappropriated by the communicator. Thus, the whole idea of body language and nonverbal communication should not be considered an exact science or method of interpreting the actions of others

Read more: How Does Body Language Work? | eHow.com
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Jul 22, 2011 2:21 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
amahlala
amahlalaamahlalaAberdeen, South Dakota USA21 Threads 8,314 Posts
I am so grateful that I taught my daughters to speak their mind and say what they mean. I am no more a mind-reader than I am a Barbie doll and expect that when I am in a relationship that both of us will have open communication with no guessing games as to what the other thinks and feels.

If I don't feel like talking, then at the least, I will be courteous and say I don't feel like talking. If I'm angry, upset, whatever, I will say so. Guessing games and an "aura of mystery" are irritating and juvenile in my opinion.
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Jul 22, 2011 2:47 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
mustbnutz
mustbnutzmustbnutzKingman, Arizona USA33 Threads 5 Polls 3,730 Posts
Ambrose2007: It has often been suggested that women in general have greater expectations of mind-reading from their significant others than men in general do - that is, they expect their mates to understand what they mean and what they want without explicitly expressing those meanings or wants.

Sometimes this is called "mind-reading." Lately, I've been wondering, as a sort of corollary, if women prefer vaguer kinds of statements and perhaps even an aura of mystery.

First, do you believe that women in general are more inclined to adopting a partial shroud of mystery, composed in part by more vague statements and other selective information-withholding, than are men?

My own experience with women is that this is indeed the case. I'm not sure, however, why it is. I have some speculations, but I'll leave them to later.





Here is my theory{everyone has one}

I think that a lot of women are raised to expect men to be the aggresor in life{most people would probably not dispute this}and this of course becomes a safer position allowing men to take the lead{I do think this may be changing though}and thereby men can be thrust in the lead to take the bulk of rejection.It is actually the "fear" of rejection that is more dreaded.So if a lot of women want men to read their mind is it any wonder....they are conditioned to take a safer approach because of the fear of rejection{if something is not verbalized then it becomes rather murky and unclear,hence the feeling that men have of them to be expected to read their womans mind}.....
Thats my theory and I`m sticking to it...
cheers
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Jul 22, 2011 3:31 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
54xmax
54xmax54xmaxDublin, Ireland32 Threads 5 Polls 1,712 Posts
leo1shay: Women and men are different!!!!
Men can have a fight and 10 min later it doesn't even fase them.
A woman can have a fight and month later it comes up in the next fight!
Communication / honesty
why is it that when we start dating , we ( men and woman ) use their best manners, flirting, behaviour to lour or capture our mate! then when we get comfortable we let down our guard and the true personality comes out. Then of course the whole relationship changes and the nagging and fighting starts.
men want to change the woman, the woman wants to change the man.
What happened to the time " what really attracted you to your mate?" What has changed????
Abviously it is the communication!!! the " truth " - and not the mind reading or game playing or whatever the falseness of attraction was in the first place.

be true and honest at the beginning! If you go out for supper and it is a restaurant that you really don't like " say it!" don't pretend !
If you go to a movie and it is a chick flick - tell her you don't like those types of movies!

Be honest at the beginning and not waste 5- 6 years being someone your not. this goes for men and woman!

Communications is everything, honest and truth
this will get you thru everything in life!!! and makes one hell of a great relationship that is my two cents to this subject


Definition of dating

Going out long enough with someone and BS them long enough, that they fall for you so when "you" do show your colours, they are already to deep to just want to get out, so to speak" - - - - I call it double faced BS of man - woman initial contact - - - - Cos sooner or later one comes out in it's true colours - - - So I prefer to be my self, and even if it cost's me a perspective partner, the one that will like me, will at least like me for me and not some imagination picture I will present to her . . . . .
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Jul 22, 2011 3:34 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
54xmax
54xmax54xmaxDublin, Ireland32 Threads 5 Polls 1,712 Posts
mustbnutz: Here is my theory{everyone has one}

I think that a lot of women are raised to expect men to be the aggresor in life{most people would probably not dispute this}and this of course becomes a safer position allowing men to take the lead{I do think this may be changing though}and thereby men can be thrust in the lead to take the bulk of rejection.It is actually the "fear" of rejection that is more dreaded.So if a lot of women want men to read their mind is it any wonder....they are conditioned to take a safer approach because of the fear of rejection{if something is not verbalized then it becomes rather murky and unclear,hence the feeling that men have of them to be expected to read their womans mind}.....
Thats my theory and I`m sticking to it...


It also helps them to twist and turn the words so it suites them - - - in a given situation releasing them of taking the responsibility, and blaming it on the man, when things don't work out as they want them to - - - - professor
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Jul 22, 2011 4:01 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
montecito
montecitomontecitoLovely, New Jersey USA96 Threads 2 Polls 5,086 Posts
mustbnutz: Here is my theory{everyone has one}

I think that a lot of women are raised to expect men to be the aggresor in life{most people would probably not dispute this}and this of course becomes a safer position allowing men to take the lead{I do think this may be changing though}and thereby men can be thrust in the lead to take the bulk of rejection.It is actually the "fear" of rejection that is more dreaded.So if a lot of women want men to read their mind is it any wonder....they are conditioned to take a safer approach because of the fear of rejection{if something is not verbalized then it becomes rather murky and unclear,hence the feeling that men have of them to be expected to read their womans mind}.....
Thats my theory and I`m sticking to it...


I was raised that men take the lead as to what happens. The two most important men in my life were my husband and my father and I was afraid of both of them. My father ruled the roost and showed me with a belt who was boss and I learned not to question him. My husband didn't beat me but it was the same situation that I wasn't allowed to have an opinion or even speak up.

My "safer approach" was out of necessity to survive both men. Men of that era didn't care what was on a woman's mind whereas I think men of today do care. They just don't know how to go about it without the woman doing a song and dance..
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Jul 22, 2011 4:51 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
Happygolucky4u: I am not sure why it is or that it is I learned early in life I am not a mind reader and I cannot tell another humanbeing what they are thinking and how they feel. So I just always assumed others were not mind readers either If a man wants mystery from me it will not be that kind of mystery. To put the nut in the shell it does not sound like alot of fun. Comunication to me is the bases of a good relationship.


Thanks, Happy.

I am expecting that lots - perhaps most women - would say that they're perfectly straightforward in their communications and don't indulge in any form of "mystery" or associated vagueness in their comments, and no doubt even if it's true that in general women tend to communicate in more emotive and less precise ways that there'd be loads of exceptions.

Let me give a pretty clear example of what I'm thinking of. I think back on my grandparents, sitting quietly in a cabin by the lake. They're both silent. My grandfather, insofar as I can judge from conversations with him, spends little if any time wondering about his wife is thinking or what she wants from him. His silence (judging from many conversations with him) is about fishing or perhaps a hardware sale or maybe even (depending on what he's reading) some scientific quandary.

I know that my grandmother, however, spent a lot of time wondering what he was thinking and why he did something (while she is sitting there silently - again, I know this from many conversations with her), and that she often felt frustration that my grandfather wouldn't elucidate some of his thoughts or plans or feelings about her.

So here you have two people sitting there silently, but quiet often the nature of their thoughts are quite starkly different.

Does this scenario jibe with anyone else's observations re male and female communication? dunno hmmm
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Jul 22, 2011 4:53 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
montecito
montecitomontecitoLovely, New Jersey USA96 Threads 2 Polls 5,086 Posts
Ambrose2007: Well, I want to be careful about these kinds of negative generalizations (been hearing the same thing from a friend on late).

What I'm looking for is a real difference - a difference that is real when viewed through an unbiased lens - between the way women and men communicate in general. I know the Men are from Mars and Women/Venus ideas, I think (though I have yet to read the book!), and they certainly has some bearing on this subject, I'm sure, though I'm guessing from the reviews that it's fairly light-weight and probably rather simplistic in its approach.


J, not everything needs to be analyzed in depth. You've heard that "less is more".. I don't think it's that complicated once you accept that men and women think differently and it seems that you know that. As I posted in two earlier posts, women are detail oriented, men are projected oriented. Women want to talk about the problem, men want to fix it. If he has to read her mind, he can't fix it.

You say you are looking for a "real difference". How much more real can it get. Women want men to read their minds. I would say that men also expect women to read their minds when we ask "What's wrong" and he says "Nothing".
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Jul 22, 2011 4:54 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
boomboom_uk
boomboom_ukboomboom_ukglasgow, Central, Scotland UK51 Threads 3,257 Posts
I voted the second wine
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Jul 22, 2011 4:55 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
montecito: I need to preface my comment that the following does not mean all women. So to my fellow female peeps, please don't be angry with me.

I do think women overdo it expecting men to read their minds. We don't even have to do it with words, body language usually works. Example: Family is done eating dinner. She clears dishes from the table, he goes to watch tv. Soon he hears loud noise as she slams pots and pans around. He assumes she's angry but he doesn't know why. He never gives it a second thought that she wanted help in the kitchen. If she asked him to help her, he would have.

Women have a tendency to ask a man a question. He answers but it's not the full answer that she wanted. So she sulks. He baits her to find out what's wrong and then she rambles on that she asked him a question but he didn't respond the "right" way. What happened here is that she wanted conversation, she wanted him to respond in detail. Men don't talk in detail. They answer the question and then move on to the next thing.

I'm uncomfortable asking men to do something even if it's moving something heavy. I'd rather he see me struggling in hopes that he will read my mind and offer to help. I should just ask him but I won't because there's a good chance he will complain and grumble about it and I don't want to hear it.

It's back to the same 'ol thing how differently male and female minds work. Women are detail oriented, men are project oriented. He wants her to spell out what she wants so he can take care of it. But all she gives him are hints of her concern so he doesn't know what's really on her mind and has to ask her a question. She gets annoyed cause she thought she told him the first time and now they are impatient with each other. They both shut down, sulking, ignoring each other and each one wonders, whose going to talk first..


I have encountered the "carrying something heavy now and waiting for you to jump in and help me" syndrome many, many times, C. And the scenario you've described seems familiar to me.

In my experience, women love to hint at stuff. When I want something, however, there's no freaking hints. I will spell it out pretty much exactly.

I have found that really, really frustrating, and I wonder what is the root cause for this difference in behavior and attitude. dunno teddybear
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Jul 22, 2011 4:59 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
leo1shay
leo1shayleo1shayToronto, Ontario Canada2 Threads 161 Posts
So I prefer to be my self, and even if it cost's me a perspective partner, the one that will like me, will at least like me for me and not some imagination picture I will present to her . . . . .thumbs up thumbs up FULLY AGREE

thank-you
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Jul 22, 2011 4:59 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
TrueBlue1986: Women are better at getting a "feel" for something, their subconscious is more attuned to picking up subtle details than a Man's is - on average. This gives them greater intuition.

They've studied this effect in tests and from just a picture of someone's eyes, a Woman can tell the emotional state of the person in the picture with far greater accuracy than a Man, meaning they have subtler perceptions than we do. So a Man needs words to perceive things around him where a Woman may not. This would seem mysterious, but it's just biology.


So a woman doesn't "spell things out" to a man because? dunno

One might speculate, assuming this is true, that a woman might assume that a man can read her as well as she can read him.

I'm highly skeptical of your claims, by the way. Certainly our species wouldn't be alive if men weren't extremely attuned to their environment - a necessity when hunting and being hunted, I would think.

But perhaps women developed a greater sensitivity to men's emotions for basic survival reasons?
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Jul 22, 2011 5:03 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
mustbnutz: Here is my theory{everyone has one}

I think that a lot of women are raised to expect men to be the aggresor in life{most people would probably not dispute this}and this of course becomes a safer position allowing men to take the lead{I do think this may be changing though}and thereby men can be thrust in the lead to take the bulk of rejection.It is actually the "fear" of rejection that is more dreaded.So if a lot of women want men to read their mind is it any wonder....they are conditioned to take a safer approach because of the fear of rejection{if something is not verbalized then it becomes rather murky and unclear,hence the feeling that men have of them to be expected to read their womans mind}.....
Thats my theory and I`m sticking to it...


I've considered the possibility that women may prefer more ambiguous statements because of self-protective motivations. hmmm

Perhaps a very ambiguous statement offers "wiggle room" or a way out, if interpreted in a negative way by a man. wave
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Jul 22, 2011 5:03 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
Ccincy
CcincyCcincyCincinnati, Ohio USA77 Threads 20,535 Posts
My guy and I are blunt people and have no problems communticating what it is that we want or mean.We don't play headgames we just come out and say or ask it.Simple.
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Jul 22, 2011 5:06 PM CST The Aura of Female Mystery as it Relates to Communication
Ambrose2007
Ambrose2007Ambrose2007BFE, South Dakota USA67 Threads 10 Polls 8,881 Posts
montecito: I was raised that men take the lead as to what happens. The two most important men in my life were my husband and my father and I was afraid of both of them. My father ruled the roost and showed me with a belt who was boss and I learned not to question him. My husband didn't beat me but it was the same situation that I wasn't allowed to have an opinion or even speak up.

My "safer approach" was out of necessity to survive both men. Men of that era didn't care what was on a woman's mind whereas I think men of today do care. They just don't know how to go about it without the woman doing a song and dance..


I agree that this could play a role in women's choice to "ambiguate" as a safer approach.

I'm not sure how great a role that plays in women-men relations now, but it could easily be a vestigial phenomenon.
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