How has the Russian spy been poisoned? (68)

Mar 9, 2018 7:03 AM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
Mesange1
Mesange1Mesange1Ici, Nouvelle-Aquitaine France1 Threads 449 Posts
Sachez qu'un tel breuvage ne se déguste qu'en bonne compagnie ! wink
Mar 13, 2018 10:35 PM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
robplum
robplumrobplumEnsay, Victoria Australia107 Threads 1 Polls 12,031 Posts
week in politics a lot changes, including:

A lot turns on that timing. On March 12, Tillerson had backed the British government’s accusation that Russia was culpable for a nerve-agent attack on United Kingdom soil. If Tillerson had been fired March 9, then his words of support for Britain could not explain his firing three days before. But if the White House was lying about the timing, it could be lying about the motive.

And since it now seems all but certain that the White House was lying about the timing, it looks more probable that it was lying about the motive too.



Lies and more Lies
be interesting if the truth was to surface, however the story will probably fad away just like the Dutch inquiry into the shooting down of MH17, which has quietly faded away, likewise, chinese shooting down of MH370 is also fading away
Mar 13, 2018 11:45 PM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
My strong suspicion is that Mr Trump went alone into the swamp ... where Crocodiles of the MIC have gotten hold of him and he's has been forced to trade 'compliance' for his life and the life of his family...

It maybe that he can 'make a recovery' but it sure like the Dog (PoTUS) is being shaken by The Tail (CIA)

Pompeo as Secretary of State ... that's like gifting your Granny a rabid Doberman as a companion dog !
Mar 13, 2018 11:54 PM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
ie ... It's not possible for THAT to end well !
Mar 14, 2018 6:01 AM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
CossackCat
CossackCatCossackCatSomewhere, Maryland USA492 Threads 45 Polls 9,137 Posts
(3:05) Skripal case: Biggest intl spy scandal in years



Judgment Day: Putin’s midnight deadline has terminated, so what will Theresa May do next?



Britain seeks urgent UN Security Council meeting over Salisbury spy attack

Mar 14, 2018 7:17 AM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
KarloradoFL
KarloradoFLKarloradoFLDeLeon Springs, Florida USA50 Threads 3 Polls 9,475 Posts
Embedded image from another site
Mar 14, 2018 7:19 AM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
Tanqueray
TanquerayTanquerayLondon, Greater London, England UK185 Posts
This poll would make a great movielaugh wine
Mar 14, 2018 2:50 PM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
Bnaughty
BnaughtyBnaughtyMálaga, Andalusia Spain43 Threads 2 Polls 4,685 Posts
Tanqueray: This poll would make a great movie

Yes, think how rich I will be when I sell the rights!cool
Mar 14, 2018 2:56 PM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
CossackCat: (3:05) Skripal case: Biggest intl spy scandal in years



Judgment Day: Putin’s midnight deadline has terminated, so what will Theresa May do next?



Britain seeks urgent UN Security Council meeting over Salisbury spy attack

russia wont give up till ur dead,E for effert.
Mar 14, 2018 3:13 PM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
Tanqueray
TanquerayTanquerayLondon, Greater London, England UK185 Posts
Bnaughty: Yes, think how rich I will be when I sell the rights!


Minted to the gills, if you survive being force fed on caviar.wine
Mar 14, 2018 3:37 PM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
Bnaughty
BnaughtyBnaughtyMálaga, Andalusia Spain43 Threads 2 Polls 4,685 Posts
Tanqueray: Minted to the gills, if you survive being force fed on caviar.

Braaaaaaaaaagh I wont be eating fish eggs that´s for sure!barf
I´ll be eating sushi rolls of a naked Japanese bird!smitten
Mar 14, 2018 4:04 PM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
Tanqueray
TanquerayTanquerayLondon, Greater London, England UK185 Posts
Bnaughty: Braaaaaaaaaagh I wont be eating fish eggs that´s for sure!
I´ll be eating sushi rolls of a naked Japanese bird!


Fuguwine

Ain’t nothing like the real thing.
Mar 14, 2018 4:14 PM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
You're offering your body as the platter for fish n chips ?
Mar 14, 2018 4:20 PM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
Tanqueray
TanquerayTanquerayLondon, Greater London, England UK185 Posts
HexagonKeySet: You're offering your body as the platter for fish n chips ?


Who do you plan on feeding?
Mar 14, 2018 5:27 PM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
KarloradoFL
KarloradoFLKarloradoFLDeLeon Springs, Florida USA50 Threads 3 Polls 9,475 Posts
raphael119: Pootin did all these hits. Hes cleaning house cause Trumps in trouble here and some spies know too much.
The mad pooper is Pootin. The little rat man has a rat face complex.

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Mar 14, 2018 6:12 PM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
robplum
robplumrobplumEnsay, Victoria Australia107 Threads 1 Polls 12,031 Posts
robplum: week in politics a lot changes, including:

A lot turns on that timing. On March 12, Tillerson had backed the British government’s accusation that Russia was culpable for a nerve-agent attack on United Kingdom soil. If Tillerson had been fired March 9, then his words of support for Britain could not explain his firing three days before. But if the White House was lying about the timing, it could be lying about the motive.

And since it now seems all but certain that the White House was lying about the timing, it looks more probable that it was lying about the motive too.



Lies and more Lies
be interesting if the truth was to surface, however the story will probably fad away just like the Dutch inquiry into the shooting down of MH17, which has quietly faded away, likewise, chinese shooting down of MH370 is also fading away


I got a dollar says CIA did-it

The Kremlin rejected British claims that it was involved in the poisoning incident and said it would not accept any British ultimatum over the issue.

"Moscow won’t accept absolutely unfounded accusations against it, which are not substantiated by any evidence, and won’t accept the language of ultimatum


MOSCOW, March 14. /TASS/. London has handed to Moscow a list of 23 Russian diplomats declared personae non grata, with the embassy’s military diplomats put on it, Russian Foreign Ministry Spokeswoman Maria Zakharova said in the 60 Minutes program on Rossiya’24 channel.

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Mar 14, 2018 6:41 PM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
chatonlyman2
chatonlyman2chatonlyman2North Bay, Ontario Canada27 Threads 7 Polls 6,600 Posts
Dedovix: I actually never read the article which link i`ve posted, i was hoping someone else will do it while i go to the pub and have a drink ...
:thumbsup
A cook aka a paid f in jerk with a second job witch is a secret.cheers
Mar 14, 2018 10:17 PM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
bohemianjack
bohemianjackbohemianjackEast Central, Minnesota USA6 Threads 2 Polls 2,701 Posts
HexagonKeySet: I've watched Mr Putin over more than the last ten years, watched his full speeches (with only translation to english) and compared what he REALLY says with 'What the MSM claim he said' and it's hard to see how they get it so wrong ... actually no, journalists have become lazy SoBs who take 'what they get off Reuters as 'if it were true' and then embellish it to make it ' ever the more dramatic' and dumb people believe it!


Po' ole Hex... lol.. falling asleep to Putin speeches. C'mon, show us your most glaring example, preferably with links to your sources or shall we just take your embellishments as truth.. wink

laugh
Mar 14, 2018 11:49 PM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
who's in need ...

;-)
Mar 15, 2018 3:45 AM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
daithomas
daithomasdaithomaswanganui, Manawatu-Wanganui New Zealand2 Posts
it was a cia black operation
Mar 15, 2018 4:02 AM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
robplum
robplumrobplumEnsay, Victoria Australia107 Threads 1 Polls 12,031 Posts
More than 1,220 civilians have been killed in eastern Ghouta since 18 February.
(haven't forgotten who supplied the arms to the terrorists now holding human shields)

NATO aligned corporate media in the West describing the Syrian Arab Army’s legitimate military campaign against terrorist factions led, again, by al-Qaeda affiliated factions that have occupied the areas, the eastern suburbs of Damascus, since 2013.

US coalition and the Gulf States and Israel are worried what is going to be exposed and revealed when these areas are liberated, particularly Idlib and Ghouta, [Jarba, Duna etc.] the eastern suburbs of Damascus, because it’s very clear that somebody has been supplying the munitions and equipment to these terrorist factions.

Terrorists in Eastern Ghouta use civilians as human shields

More than 400,000 people remain besieged in Syria’s Eastern Ghouta region

The property, owned by Kushner’s family, is severely in debt, and the family could face financial ruin if they fail to finance it. To this end, Kushner has been seeking financing for the building from some top players, including from a Qatari investment group.

The Qataris did not in the end agree to finance the building. And weeks later, Qatar found itself under a blockade, imposed by Saudi Arabia, the United Arab Emirates, Bahrain and Egypt, formally known as the Anti-Terror Quartet.

The blockade was strenuously opposed by Tillerson, who called on the ATQ to ease it.

Tillerson’s dismissal was welcomed by the highly regulated ATQ state media and in the UAE and Saudi Arabia in particular, where editorials nearly unanimously decried Tillerson as America’s worst secretary of state in decades.

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Mar 15, 2018 4:11 AM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
daithomas: it was a cia black operation
guess you been there!doh
Mar 15, 2018 11:24 AM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
CossackCat
CossackCatCossackCatSomewhere, Maryland USA492 Threads 45 Polls 9,137 Posts
(1:17) ‘Looks like Russians were behind spy poisoning’ – Trump




IMO This is U.K. problem and Washington DC, should stay the hell out of it.
Mar 15, 2018 11:52 AM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
Miwagi
MiwagiMiwagiFlyover, Kentucky USA47 Threads 2 Polls 1,753 Posts


Why the nerve agent that poisoned the ex-Russian spy is so mysterious
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The group of chemical weapons collectively known as Novichok originated in a secret Cold-War era weapons program
By Rachel Becker@RA_Becks Mar 14, 2018, 2:57pm EDT

On March 4th, former Russian double-agent Sergei Skripal and his daughter Yulia were found unconscious in Salisbury, England. They were the victims of an apparent poisoning. The poison was identified this week as a nerve agent called Novichok, part of a group of chemical weapons said to be extremely potent that we know very little about.

Even before the lab results were out, it looked like the Skripals were the victims of a nerve agent: Yulia Skripal was unconscious, seizing, vomiting, and had lost control of her bodily functions, the BBC reports; Sergei Skripal had gone rigid and immobile, according to CBS News. (Neither has died, but both are hospitalized in critical condition.) Since the Novichok nerve agents were developed in the Soviet Union at the end of the Cold War, British Prime Minister Theresa May blamed Russia for the poisoning. Though Moscow denies any involvement, the attack stokes Cold War-era tensions — heightened by the fact that this deadly chemical weapon is so mysterious.

“The U.S.S.R. is the only country to have developed and produced these agents,” Jean Pascal Zanders, formerly a senior research fellow at the European Union Institute for Security Studies, told Mark Peplow at Chemical & Engineering News. “It’s almost as though the Russians are sending a message to the West that they can reach anywhere, whenever they like.”

THE ATTACK STOKES COLD WAR-ERA TENSIONS
The Novichok agents were created under a clandestine program that continued despite international negotiations for a chemical weapons ban, according to former Soviet scientist and defector Vil Mirzayanov. That secrecy is why we still don’t know their exact chemical makeup. What we do know is that Novichok, Russian for “newcomer,” is actually a collection of chemical weapons that only become lethal after two, somewhat less deadly ingredients are mixed. These so-called binary nerve agents are thought to be safer to store, Mirzayanov wrote in 1995. But they’re also easier to hide from inspectors, especially if those two ingredients could masquerade as components of fertilizer or pesticides.

We also don’t know how exactly Novichok kills. Other nerve agents — like the sarin gas used against civilians in Syria or the VX that killed Kim-Jong Nam, the half-brother of North Korea’s head of state Kim Jong-un — get into the body through breathing, eating, or through the skin. Once inside, they block an enzyme that’s key for healthy signaling between nerves and muscles. That leads to symptoms like drooling, seizures, and paralysis. “You’re tearing, you have a runny nose, you have fluid in your lungs, you have lots of diarrhea, you’re sweating, and these agents also slow your heart rate down,” says Peter Chai, a medical toxicologist at Brigham and Women’s Hospital in Boston. “You basically asphyxiate in your own secretions. So, it’s a horrible way to die.”

“IT’S A HORRIBLE WAY TO DIE.”
At the right doses, nerve agents can kill within five to 15 minutes, says chemical weapons expert Mark Bishop at the Middlebury Institute of International Studies at Monterey. But the Novichok agents are thought to be even more dangerous and deadly; Mirzayanov claims that Novichok-5, for example, can be five to eight times more potent than VX. So the fact that the Skripals are still alive means that “it must have been low dose, or impure, or not administered in a really efficient way,” Bishop tells The Verge. “Because it doesn’t take very much of a nerve agent to be fatal.”
Mar 15, 2018 11:54 AM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
Miwagi
MiwagiMiwagiFlyover, Kentucky USA47 Threads 2 Polls 1,753 Posts
Continued

Treating Novichok poisoning is also “practically impossible,” according to the Handbook of Toxicology of Chemical Warfare Agents. For other nerve agents, the treatment is usually diazepam or Valium to stave off seizures, and atropine, which helps dry up the secretions that could choke or drown a nerve gas victim, Chai tells The Verge. That buys a little time for another drug called pralidoxime, or 2-PAM, to prevent the nerve agent from permanently shutting off that key enzyme. But Novichok agents might have more ways of harming people, according to the Handbook: “Consequently, conventional nerve agent antidotes may not work.”

“IT DOESN’T TAKE VERY MUCH OF A NERVE AGENT TO BE FATAL.”
It’s surprising to see Novichok surface in 2018, not least because Russia was supposed to have destroyed its 39,967 metric tons of chemical weapons by September 2017, according to the international organization that oversees the chemical weapons ban. The British prime minister has demanded that Moscow release information about the Novichok program, so it’s possible that we could soon learn more about these nerve agents.

Bishop, however, says not to bet on it: “The Russians are really good at keeping secrets.”
Mar 15, 2018 1:03 PM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
Mar 16, 2018 4:36 AM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
CossackCat: (1:17) ‘Looks like Russians were behind spy poisoning’ – Trump


IMO This is U.K. problem and Washington DC, should stay the hell out of it.


Trump HAS to say that ... reality is that the UK has been heavily influenced by the USA since WW@ and more or 'entirely under their control' sinmce Tony B Liar swore his allegiance to Bush GW and then lied in the British parliament concerning non existent WMDs which became the 'excuse to invade Iraq'

Keep in mind that as with the last Russian double agent who dies in the UK, the British Govt have NOT PROVIDED A SINGLE SHRED OF EVIDENCE ... it's a case of 'We say it happened, we say that THIS is how it happened ... and no you can't have any evidence'

That flies in the face of International Law ( which provides that Russia is legally entitled to see whatever evidence ) but of course the absence of evidence doesn't get in the way of the accusation ...

MOST LIKELY scenario here (if it happened at all) would be CIA and MI5/6 have botched a murder attempt and this is a cover story ... it's currently 'trendy' to "Blame Russia for everything' and you can expect more of the same now that Pompeo is S o S and 'that Torturerer Woman' is head of the CIA.

Handy for the USA though ... as Lavrov pointed out they'll use this to try and boot Russia off the UNSC.

However, as Russia is a permanent member with a Right of Veto they'll have to break international law, as well as UN Rules to try and achieve that ... but criminals have no regard for the law (as has been seen many times by US and UK ignoring UN decisions and going ahead and bombing the crap out of anyone they choose to!
Mar 16, 2018 5:24 AM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
HexagonKeySet
HexagonKeySetHexagonKeySetCentral, Waikato New Zealand150 Threads 7 Polls 3,829 Posts
Miwagi: Continued

Treating Novichok poisoning is also “practically impossible,” according to the Handbook of Toxicology of Chemical Warfare Agents.
For other nerve agents, the treatment is usually diazepam or Valium to stave off seizures, and atropine, which helps dry up the secretions that could choke or drown a nerve gas victim, Chai tells The Verge. That buys a little time for another drug called pralidoxime, or 2-PAM, to prevent the nerve agent from permanently shutting off that key enzyme. But Novichok agents might have more ways of harming people, according to the Handbook: “Consequently, conventional nerve agent antidotes may not work.”

“IT DOESN’T TAKE VERY MUCH OF A NERVE AGENT TO BE FATAL.”
It’s surprising to see Novichok surface in 2018, not least because Russia was supposed to have destroyed its 39,967 metric tons of chemical weapons by September 2017, according to the international organization that oversees the chemical weapons ban. The British prime minister has demanded that Moscow release information about the Novichok program, so it’s possible that we could soon learn more about these nerve agents.

Bishop, however, says not to bet on it: “The Russians are really good at keeping secrets.”


The two sections in red very clearly betray the lies being told by Theresa May ... if it's such a rare agent and they knew nothing then there'd be no chance of having been able to treat it!

Moreover there were stocks of Novichok that were NOT EVER in the custody and control of the The (Current) Russian Federation. It's widely acknowledged that those were in Ukraine at the time of the collapse of the former USSR and it's highly credible to consider that those have since fallen into US / UK or other hands that are unfriendly to Russia (Incl the current US appointed puppets who run Ukraine at this time and have refused to pay Russia billions on their gas bill)

But perhaps you think it more important to add to the hysteria than to seek for the truth of the matter ?
Mar 16, 2018 7:07 AM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
yet another Hypothesis!

I don't believe Putin tried to kill Sergei Skripal. Investigators said it looked like a private contractor, not a professional. Sergei was tied to Christopher Steele, who compiled that fake dossier on Trump.

Sounds more like Hillary did it!

Mar 16, 2018 9:12 AM CST How has the Russian spy been poisoned?
reb56
reb56reb56carthage, Missouri USA55 Polls 8,629 Posts
Conrad73: yet another Hypothesis!

I don't believe Putin tried to kill Sergei Skripal. Investigators said it looked like a private contractor, not a professional. Sergei was tied to Christopher Steele, who compiled that fake dossier on Trump.

Sounds more like Hillary did it!

killary was in on killing libyas leaders for 150 tons of gold n our amb.got killed there,killary n nato got the gold n isis too,trump got some gold back in mid africa from isis,etc.rebels!
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