Do you believe in past lifes? (103)
venere08: Reincarnation. Hmmm...now there's a thought.
...it's a bit like the universe trying to be environmentally friendly, and recycling the souls/spirits.
well everything does recycle does it not,I mean everything will break down and start over so it would only seem right that we would as well.......it's a bit like the universe trying to be environmentally friendly, and recycling the souls/spirits.
moonlightstar: So do I, I always thought I had been here Before but as a animal.
Strange that.....
Strange that.....
Asians seem to believe that you can be an animal in one life and then suddenly a human in another. Even the Dalai Lama seems to think so. I was always opposed to this idea since it wouldn't really take evolution into account but look more like a random game of dice. On the other hand, if time is an illusion it's possible that the path isn't chronological but follows some other form of logic.
jessejess47: well everything does recycle does it not,I mean everything will break down and start over so it would only seem right that we would as well....
Yes that's a point. Sure Christians believe that we go back to being dust only and then suddenly reappear on the day of judgment... hm if you ask me the Asian version seems a little more logical... there's more to life than only matter... Seems a bit strange to me to think that that's all there is.
symbolistartist: Good poll, wish more people would join. When I was studying these subjects (the world religions) I read that 25% of all the people in the Western world believe in reincarnation. Even that is a good score. I can't think how one could NOT believe in it, LOL. It's so logical!
I can't see any logic in it at all. It is all hearsay. No court in the world would accept that as any kind of proof of anything, let alone any form of accepted logic.
There is nothing at all to say that people who do regressions don't just get glimples of other people's past lives, not their own. Spiritualists do this all the time. It is called mediumship, when they see and often inhabit the life of someone long dead, in order to explain something to someone living.
The power of suggestion in hypnosis is a powerful thing, as is auto suggestion, ( the suggestion that finding your past life is actually what you are going to be doing when you are regressed). A willingness to have things suggested to you is also a dangerous thing. No knowing how people can manipulate others when in a hypnotic or relaxed state and suggestable.
No accounting for mass gullibility though, or a willingness to be part of that.
gingerb: I can't see any logic in it at all.
There is nothing at all to say that people who do regressions don't just get glimples of other people's past lives, not their own. Spiritualists do this all the time. It is called mediumship, when they see and often inhabit the life of someone long dead, in order to explain something to someone living.
There is nothing at all to say that people who do regressions don't just get glimples of other people's past lives, not their own. Spiritualists do this all the time. It is called mediumship, when they see and often inhabit the life of someone long dead, in order to explain something to someone living.
Now here's a contradictory statement. You seem to say you don't believe in it yet you're willing to admit that mediums can see other people's past lives????
Anyway, it's up to each and everyone to do research and make up their own minds. But what I feel personally is, that those who think we're at the very top of our evolution and that science is 100% reliable are simply not open to the mystery of life... and the infinite possibilities that life presents...
As long as I wasnt a pair of undies
symbolistartist: Yes that's a point. Sure Christians believe that we go back to being dust only and then suddenly reappear on the day of judgment... hm if you ask me the Asian version seems a little more logical... there's more to life than only matter... Seems a bit strange to me to think that that's all there is.
I was not really thinking that that is all there is I think reincarnation is the best bet, but that does not mean that there is no GOD eather, I mean everything run a cycle and dies and is reborn again, maybe thats the big plan and we just need to figure out the details is all...jessejess47: I was not really thinking that that is all there is I think reincarnation is the best bet, but that does not mean that there is no GOD eather, I mean everything run a cycle and dies and is reborn again, maybe thats the big plan and we just need to figure out the details is all...
Well there are tons of books out there, if you're interested enough you can make your own mind quite easily. What i resent are people who take someone's word for something and then go out with it as a form of gospel that they really have no good arguments for at all... plus I don't really appreciate people trying to convert others, which I certainly hope nobody thinks I'm trying to do. Merely expressing a few puny opinions...
jessejess47: I was not really thinking that that is all there is I think reincarnation is the best bet, but that does not mean that there is no GOD eather, I mean everything run a cycle and dies and is reborn again, maybe thats the big plan and we just need to figure out the details is all...
Personally I don't talk about God much because to me it's narrowing down something very vast into an entity of sorts, but it doesn't mean that I'm an atheist.
pisces18: I always wonder if I have been here before...do you...
No ,past life nothing more than mythsymbolistartist: Personally I don't talk about God much because to me it's narrowing down something very vast into an entity of sorts, but it doesn't mean that I'm an atheist.
exactly,I am open to new ideas and beliefs, but i do have my own ,just do not talk about them much is all....
symbolistartist: Now here's a contradictory statement. You seem to say you don't believe in it yet you're willing to admit that mediums can see other people's past lives????
That's not my understanding of what Gingerb said, reposted below, but she is free to clarify:
"There is nothing at all to say that people who do regressions don't just get glimples of other people's past lives, not their own. Spiritualists do this all the time. It is called mediumship, when they see and often inhabit the life of someone long dead, in order to explain something to someone living."
In other words, mediums receive (channel) information from those long dead about their past life, not that the dead had several past lives.
pisces18: I always wonder if I have been here before...do you...
Yes, I do believe.
I do have good reason to believe that this is my first incarnation on planet Earth...
What Ginger said was interesting. I agree with her on some levels.
I'm in Stockholm and using the hotel's internet and just stopping by. I'll try and add some insight from what I have discovered in my time delving into this subject.
I'm more fascinated with the infinite future lives that have already happened.
The futre is our distant past...
jessejess47: well everything does recycle does it not,I mean everything will break down and start over so it would only seem right that we would as well....
Good point. I had not thought along those lines. The Earth does eventually, regenerate, recycle or repurify itself. . . Good food for thought, Jesse.
StressFree: Yes, I do believe.
I do have good reason to believe that this is my first incarnation on planet Earth...
What Ginger said was interesting. I agree with her on some levels.
I'm in Stockholm and using the hotel's internet and just stopping by. I'll try and add some insight from what I have discovered in my time delving into this subject.
I'm more fascinated with the infinite future lives that have already happened.
The futre is our distant past...
I do have good reason to believe that this is my first incarnation on planet Earth...
What Ginger said was interesting. I agree with her on some levels.
I'm in Stockholm and using the hotel's internet and just stopping by. I'll try and add some insight from what I have discovered in my time delving into this subject.
I'm more fascinated with the infinite future lives that have already happened.
The futre is our distant past...
Thanks for you input and I am anxious to hear more of what you have learned. I have read a few books from dr. brian weiss. I have had dreams and revelation about this subject that I care not and dare not share on here....
Until then
SensualVixen: Yes. In my past life I was an outspoken, highly opinionated, outgoing, jovial male with 10 inches of snow to shovel.
Just had to.
gingerb: Now I feel that rather than stick to the topics and interconnected topics here, you might just be getting a bit personal. Might be the language difference too I dont know.
(You are the person who suggested, actualy said, that you can't understand how people don't believe in reincarnation because it is so logical, and I was answering that specifically, not the topic, because I felt it was a wrong and very generalised assumption to make.)
Either way no wish to argue with you on what you believe. Your beliefs are obviously hard won and precious to you, as are most peoples.
Now back to the subject of answering your last post. I never rule out anything. Anyone here who knows me well will tell you that. Your not-so-veiled assumptions that I am narrow-minded were duly noted as well, and again have no foundation in truth, but you are entitled to your very limited opinion on my character.
(You are the person who suggested, actualy said, that you can't understand how people don't believe in reincarnation because it is so logical, and I was answering that specifically, not the topic, because I felt it was a wrong and very generalised assumption to make.)
Either way no wish to argue with you on what you believe. Your beliefs are obviously hard won and precious to you, as are most peoples.
Now back to the subject of answering your last post. I never rule out anything. Anyone here who knows me well will tell you that. Your not-so-veiled assumptions that I am narrow-minded were duly noted as well, and again have no foundation in truth, but you are entitled to your very limited opinion on my character.
Gee, to me it seems like you do want to argue and very much so. My first comment about believing or not believing in reincarnation was lighthearted. I also did not suggest that YOU are narrow-minded, but you chose to see it that way and counter-attack. I was only trying not to be long-winded since some people have complained about me being just that, and simply made a point about the way many people think. Which in short is that people tend to generalize that "all" people who claim to be psychic must be wrong or that "all" who believe in reincarnation base it on regression therapy. If you don't personally outrule other options that's great, from where I stand that's a good thing but then that would be a personal statement so let's just leave it at that. Btw I don't intend to continue this discussion.
StressFree: Yes, I do believe.
I do have good reason to believe that this is my first incarnation on planet Earth...
What Ginger said was interesting. I agree with her on some levels.
I'm in Stockholm and using the hotel's internet and just stopping by. I'll try and add some insight from what I have discovered in my time delving into this subject.
I'm more fascinated with the infinite future lives that have already happened.
The future is our distant past...
I do have good reason to believe that this is my first incarnation on planet Earth...
What Ginger said was interesting. I agree with her on some levels.
I'm in Stockholm and using the hotel's internet and just stopping by. I'll try and add some insight from what I have discovered in my time delving into this subject.
I'm more fascinated with the infinite future lives that have already happened.
The future is our distant past...
Hi Stress
It was just something I have been observing over time.
Everyone who is regressed can't be Cleopatra or Napoleon, yet a large number claim that, or some other famous person, or a person who is close to a famous person in history.
Even those who claim to have lived in a certain place at a certain time with the address and everything, could just as easily be seeing someone else's life in the past and not their own.
Just because someone does astral travel in regression form and see things in the first person, does not mean that what they are seeing is their own life.
There is absolutely no proof anywhere that past lives can be proven for any individual because it can't be proven that the life you are regressing into is your own.
Now I know that because it has become an accepted norm in today's thinking, it is hard for anyone to look outside that particular box, but I think it is necessary not to perpetuate lies or misconceptions, because we can learn nothing new if we persist in travelling up the same wrong road over and over, just because everyone else seems to be going that way.
I know you will understand where I am coming from here Stress.
I've had many flashbacks of being in the mid 1800's in America. Also in lat 1800's. I always thought it was just in my head or perhaps from me traveling so much. But, in my asking my mother so much, she has acknowledged, & totally expidited things that were & were not valid in my young childhood. Very Weird....
YES.
gingerb: Hi Stress
Everyone who is regressed can't be Cleopatra or Napoleon, yet a large number claim that, or some other famous person, or a person who is close to a famous person in history.
Even those who claim to have lived in a certain place at a certain time with the address and everything, could just as easily be seeing someone else's life in the past and not their own.
Just because someone does astral travel in regression form and see things in the first person, does not mean that what they are seeing is their own life.
There is absolutely no proof anywhere that past lives can be proven for any individual because it can't be proven that the life you are regressing into is your own.
Now I know that because it has become an accepted norm in today's thinking, it is hard for anyone to look outside that particular box, but I think it is necessary not to perpetuate lies or misconceptions, because we can learn nothing new if we persist in travelling up the same wrong road over and over, just because everyone else seems to be going that way.
I know you will understand where I am coming from here Stress.
Everyone who is regressed can't be Cleopatra or Napoleon, yet a large number claim that, or some other famous person, or a person who is close to a famous person in history.
Even those who claim to have lived in a certain place at a certain time with the address and everything, could just as easily be seeing someone else's life in the past and not their own.
Just because someone does astral travel in regression form and see things in the first person, does not mean that what they are seeing is their own life.
There is absolutely no proof anywhere that past lives can be proven for any individual because it can't be proven that the life you are regressing into is your own.
Now I know that because it has become an accepted norm in today's thinking, it is hard for anyone to look outside that particular box, but I think it is necessary not to perpetuate lies or misconceptions, because we can learn nothing new if we persist in travelling up the same wrong road over and over, just because everyone else seems to be going that way.
I know you will understand where I am coming from here Stress.
Hey Ginger, I get where you are coming from. I am very skeptical of those patients who come back and gleefully claim that they were this celebrated person or that almighty queen or king. I would question the regressive hypnotherapist's experience and competence in this field.
However, I do believe that past lives can be proven by experienced, competent and skillful regressive hypnotherapists who have refined their skills over the years. It depends how they tune in with the individual's subconscious (past lives exist on another vibration or frequency). Some can penetrate the static and fine tune into the individual's past lives, and others can't penetrate the static and fine tune into the individual's past lives correctly, but as you pointed out, mistakenly fine tune into somebody else's life(overlap. It all depends on their techniques and methods of tapping the subconscious.
The subconscious is the record keeper in the sense of a sophisticated computer. It records everything that has ever happened in the person's life. This is why the information can be made accessible through hypnosis.
The regressive therapists who I deem as competent are the ones who locate past lives that holds the answers to the problems in the present life and are able to speak to the person's subconscious, and not by traditional hypnosis but by speaking verbally and directly to the subconscious and having the person in hypnosis answer the questions or give information verbally in this hypnotic state through his or her subconscious.
There has to be some value for taking a person to past lives and not just for entertainment. The regressive therapist should be able to take the person to the lifetime that is most relevant or appropriate to the problems in their present lifetime.
The therapist should know better than not to lead and to allow the subconscious to take the person to the life it considers to be the most important to view at the time of the session.
Also,the subconscious should be speaking in the third person, unemotional, detached from the person's problems and almost as an objective observer.
In any case, I realize that skeptics have a hard time understanding this or believing this as they have good reason to.
The thing that convinces me is that a certain therapist that I have followed and observed has reported that the subconscious always speaks the same way, and answers the questions in the same manner, wherever in the world. This would not happen if it were a random circumstance.
Whether it's Jung's collective unconscious, the higher or total self, God or however anyone wants to define it, I truly believe that the subconscious is the world where the truth can be discovered as it is the all knowing part of something that has access to all information.
StressFree: What do you mean by that? Did you read my post? I mentioned nothing of past heroic lifetimes...or celebrated lifetimes.
There is a need to know if somebody is truly looking to look deeper into their present life problems and can't get it figured out...sorta last resort for those who can't overcome by traditional methods.
Want the Cake and eat it too?There is a need to know if somebody is truly looking to look deeper into their present life problems and can't get it figured out...sorta last resort for those who can't overcome by traditional methods.
Conrad73: Want the Cake and eat it too?
If it comes with strong coffee...
we are all the fathers and the grand fathers,we can find cases of reincernations in the holy bible and through uor experiences here on the earth plane. Give me your feed back .
emmawhite: we are all the fathers and the grand fathers,we can find cases of reincernations in the holy bible and through uor experiences here on the earth plane. Give me your feed back .
You left us nothing to run on?
Unpack your thoughts if you would like a more articulate feedback. That was too vague there buddy.
druidess6308: I know I've been here before. I feel it, and I have glimpses of some of those past lives. Yes, I firmly believe in reincarnation, and that I'll be here again some day after this life is done.
Spirit is energy, and wasn't created, nor can it be destroyed.
Spirit is energy, and wasn't created, nor can it be destroyed.
I have always believed that spirits are recycled. Otherwise where can they go, far too many, and no space for them. Guess there is no dumping ground. So spirits are with us, among us, always there. It is only a matter of if the spirit has a form or otherwise. What do you say?
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...it's a bit like the universe trying to be environmentally friendly, and recycling the souls/spirits.
LOL that was funny!
But I mean come on, how unfair life would be to give more happiness to one person and less to another... that is if we can conceive of life as being greater and more intelligent than our puny selves... Certainly by coming back the essence of an individual (some call it soul though I'd say it's not a fixed entity as many religions seem to feel) can truly develop. Why else would some people be so wise and others obviously in their baby shoes?