Obama succeeded on health care law. Is that Good for America? (150)
Musicianfriend: You can blame the international bankSters for ruining your credit..the American people and the original American constitutional believers had nothing to do with that..Its the new socialist that have invaded our government these last 60 years...
WE have been as much a victim as you..weve lost retirement..homes..jobs...
If you dont understand what I mean by the International BankSters..then you should go educate yourself as to what really happend..and quit trying to blame the other victims..
My country is reeling from this...we are going down..and Obummer isnt doing one damn thing about it..Hes a part of the people who seek to destory our economy..
Why is it..Obama just gave the global gov...the IMF 250 billion dollars to create new money for us? the Amero perhaps?A But Im sure..in your infinite wisdom..you already knew all of this..
After all..far be it from a man like you..to unjustly...and ignoratly blame and innocent people..right.??Cause Im sure you have done your homework..and you know what your talking about.. .
The gov. is hiding the true unemployment figures by putting welfare and unemployment applicants on the gov. dole..giving them NON JOB...JOBS....
Your attitude sucks big time.. arrogance and ignorance is a disgusting trait in a man..
Know what your talking about before you talk....Think..before you ink...next time.. You will look more intelligent..and people will take you more seriously..
WE have been as much a victim as you..weve lost retirement..homes..jobs...
If you dont understand what I mean by the International BankSters..then you should go educate yourself as to what really happend..and quit trying to blame the other victims..
My country is reeling from this...we are going down..and Obummer isnt doing one damn thing about it..Hes a part of the people who seek to destory our economy..
Why is it..Obama just gave the global gov...the IMF 250 billion dollars to create new money for us? the Amero perhaps?A But Im sure..in your infinite wisdom..you already knew all of this..
After all..far be it from a man like you..to unjustly...and ignoratly blame and innocent people..right.??Cause Im sure you have done your homework..and you know what your talking about.. .
The gov. is hiding the true unemployment figures by putting welfare and unemployment applicants on the gov. dole..giving them NON JOB...JOBS....
Your attitude sucks big time.. arrogance and ignorance is a disgusting trait in a man..
Know what your talking about before you talk....Think..before you ink...next time.. You will look more intelligent..and people will take you more seriously..
Sorry to burst your bubble again, but we are in a MUCH better financial position that you all are. The problem with America is that they see nothing wrong in anything they do...unless it's a Gov that wants to bring good change. Also, a good portion of America uses our energy....talk about being ungrateful.
i'm canadian. i lived in canada for 25 years...believe me you don't know health care up there. my uncle is a doctor in ontario. he's only ever needed one thing done, but you would think with all of his connections he could make some phone calls and stay in canada to have it done. he chose to fly to the mayo clinic and pay cash because of the promtness and the level of technology here. canada is literally 10 years behind in technology in most hospitals because their is no competition to drive drug and technology companies to make the best products. and the only time they charge for an ambulance in canada is if it is a so called 'false alarm'.
Veritaas: Stateside sure have one hell of alot of European blood in them, and the rest, having a legal rights to live there. But like any other country in the world such as the UK we have thousands of illegal immigrants too. So this is not exclusive to America.
My ancestors came to American to escape to oppressive Governments there, as did Millions of others. We earned what we got by working two jobs if needed. Money was always being saved to put our children through Colleges or Universities so they could have a better life than we did. Unfortunately many of those children we worked so hard to educate never learned the lesson of earning by the sweat of their brow. Instead they decided work was for somebody else and since they did not have to work to get what they needed, nobody else should have to either. These days it seems everybody wants to carry a briefcase and make decisions for others.
Every dead or crippled service man paid dearly for the freedom we used to have and that freedom is being gradually stolen by despots bent on destroying the greatest country the world has ever seen. If that were not so the millions who came here and became Americans were completely wrong for making the trip. Our ancestors may be from Europe or elsewhere but "WE ARE AMERICANS" and proud of it!
Musicianfriend: You must have missed it...
Canada announced a few months ago..that the healthcare system has been a dismal failure...according to the man who set your system up..
who would know better than he?
Canada announced a few months ago..that the healthcare system has been a dismal failure...according to the man who set your system up..
who would know better than he?
I live here and see it in action everyday. You do not. You really should learn to take your own advise. And contrary to what you may think, I'm not trying to impress anyone on here...specially you. Lol...this site is not the Site to end all Sites.
Be gone with ya!
I3estman4u: Sorry to burst your bubble again, but we are in a MUCH better financial position that you all are. The problem with America is that they see nothing wrong in anything they do...unless it's a Gov that wants to bring good change. Also, a good portion of America uses our energy....talk about being ungrateful.
most of the energy and oil. the US gets 3x more oil from canada than they do from the middle east
oldfoxyguy: My ancestors came to American to escape to oppressive Governments there, as did Millions of others. We earned what we got by working two jobs if needed. Money was always being saved to put our children through Colleges or Universities so they could have a better life than we did. Unfortunately many of those children we worked so hard to educate never learned the lesson of earning by the sweat of their brow. Instead they decided work was for somebody else and since they did not have to work to get what they needed, nobody else should have to either. These days it seems everybody wants to carry a briefcase and make decisions for others.
Every dead or crippled service man paid dearly for the freedom we used to have and that freedom is being gradually stolen by despots bent on destroying the greatest country the world has ever seen. If that were not so the millions who came here and became Americans were completely wrong for making the trip. Our ancestors may be from Europe or elsewhere but "WE ARE AMERICANS" and proud of it!
Every dead or crippled service man paid dearly for the freedom we used to have and that freedom is being gradually stolen by despots bent on destroying the greatest country the world has ever seen. If that were not so the millions who came here and became Americans were completely wrong for making the trip. Our ancestors may be from Europe or elsewhere but "WE ARE AMERICANS" and proud of it!
And so you should be proud of it. Just as I am proud of my heritage, and proud to live in a country where we do not have to carry guns around to protect ourselves, now that is what I call freedom.
brett1308: i'm canadian. i lived in canada for 25 years...believe me you don't know health care up there. my uncle is a doctor in ontario. he's only ever needed one thing done, but you would think with all of his connections he could make some phone calls and stay in canada to have it done. he chose to fly to the mayo clinic and pay cash because of the promtness and the level of technology here. canada is literally 10 years behind in technology in most hospitals because their is no competition to drive drug and technology companies to make the best products. and the only time they charge for an ambulance in canada is if it is a so called 'false alarm'.
You are where you were born. You say you lived in Canada for 25 years...so? Doesn't make you more Canadian than a leopard sharing the same field as a lion for years, suddenly becomes a Leon. I'm not saying the system is perfect, but far from the picture you all are painting. Our health system works far better for the majority than the American system.
I3estman4u: Haha...you think we are weak? Try to come for our land. Like a lot of things about America (can you say ignorant?) we would surprise you at what we can do...or do we need to burn down the Whitehouse again. You have no idea about what we have set up for cases like an invasion. And you say you like your country...well, that's patriotic. Btu seriously, America is not even owned by the people! The Feds own America. Hollywood has taught America how to be. And all this talk about socialist this and socialist that....but really, you need to be a socialist in any relationship for it to work. Do a search on the meaning of that word.
I am so glad I do not live in your country.
I am so glad I do not live in your country.
glad you don't live here to, exactly what we need a know it all with a big old chip on his shoulder
I3estman4u: You are where you were born. You say you lived in Canada for 25 years...so? Doesn't make you more Canadian than a leopard sharing the same field as a lion for years, suddenly becomes a Leon. I'm not saying the system is perfect, but far from the picture you all are painting. Our health system works far better for the majority than the American system.
Same as in the UK, it is not perfect but at least it does work and has been in place for many years now.
Veritaas: Same as in the UK, it is not perfect but at least it does work and has been in place for many years now.
Ya, nothing man made is perfect. But I am glad we have the system we do have.
As one poster put it long ago, Obama is doing the best he can with a bad situation.
As the history books show, Democracy is a finite political system. It runs a predictable "bell shaped curve" lasting, about 200 years. It happened in Rome, and in France.
The United States was "born" in 1776.
All the signs are there. Monopolies, Separation of classes, Nepotism. The rich get richer, the poor poorer.
Plain and simple.
Obamas health care plan is a step toward socialism. To the poor this is welcomed. Because they stand a chance of gaining socio-economicly. To the wealthy, it is feared. They stand losing
to the same degree. This is why there is such a devide in this arguement.
As the history books show, Democracy is a finite political system. It runs a predictable "bell shaped curve" lasting, about 200 years. It happened in Rome, and in France.
The United States was "born" in 1776.
All the signs are there. Monopolies, Separation of classes, Nepotism. The rich get richer, the poor poorer.
Plain and simple.
Obamas health care plan is a step toward socialism. To the poor this is welcomed. Because they stand a chance of gaining socio-economicly. To the wealthy, it is feared. They stand losing
to the same degree. This is why there is such a devide in this arguement.
Adrummer90: As one poster put it long ago, Obama is doing the best he can with a bad situation.
As the history books show, Democracy is a finite political system. It runs a predictable "bell shaped curve" lasting, about 200 years. It happened in Rome, and in France.
The United States was "born" in 1776.
All the signs are there. Monopolies, Separation of classes, Nepotism. The rich get richer, the poor poorer.
Plain and simple.
Obamas health care plan is a step toward socialism. To the poor this is welcomed. Because they stand a chance of gaining socio-economicly. To the wealthy, it is feared. They stand losing
to the same degree. This is why there is such a devide in this arguement.
As the history books show, Democracy is a finite political system. It runs a predictable "bell shaped curve" lasting, about 200 years. It happened in Rome, and in France.
The United States was "born" in 1776.
All the signs are there. Monopolies, Separation of classes, Nepotism. The rich get richer, the poor poorer.
Plain and simple.
Obamas health care plan is a step toward socialism. To the poor this is welcomed. Because they stand a chance of gaining socio-economicly. To the wealthy, it is feared. They stand losing
to the same degree. This is why there is such a devide in this arguement.
Well, looks like Silverbirch has entered the arena resurrected as.............!
The Battle of the Somme
Main article: Battle of the Somme
Canadian POWs. February 1916.The next area where Canadians fought was at the Battle of the Somme July to mid-November. Initially launched as a campaign to relieve pressure from the beleaguered French forces at the Battle of Verdun, the Allied casualties actually exceeded those at Verdun. On July 1, 1916, the British launched the assault which resulted in the largest massacre of British forces - over 57,550 casualties in one day. Among them were 732 men from the 1st Newfoundland Regiment ; of the 801 men of the Newfoundland Regiment, only 68 men answered the regimental roll call after the attack. 255 were dead, 386 were wounded, and 91 were listed as missing. Every officer who had gone over the top was either wounded or dead. On the day that the British forces suffered their worst losses in history, the 1st Newfoundland Regiment also suffered its worst loss in its history.
As the fighting continued, the Canadians (with the support of a new 4th Canadian Division) were asked to secure the town of Courcelette. In the major offensive which began at dawn on September 15 the Canadian Corps, on the extreme left of the attack, assaulted on a 2,200-yard sector west of the village of Courcelette. By November 11, the 4th Canadian Division finally secured most of the German trenches in Courcelette and then rejoined the Canadian Corps at Vimy Ridge.
The Battle of the Somme claimed 24,029 Canadian casualties. But it also gave Canadian units the reputation of a formidable assault force. As Prime Minister Lloyd George wrote, "The Canadians played a part of such distinction that thenceforward they were marked out as shock troops; for the remainder of the war they were brought along to head the assault in one great battle after another. Whenever the Germans found the Canadian Corps coming into the line they prepared for the worst."
These are pages of World War One...history....suffering..all..these were real people..they lived and died. READ IT.
Main article: Battle of the Somme
Canadian POWs. February 1916.The next area where Canadians fought was at the Battle of the Somme July to mid-November. Initially launched as a campaign to relieve pressure from the beleaguered French forces at the Battle of Verdun, the Allied casualties actually exceeded those at Verdun. On July 1, 1916, the British launched the assault which resulted in the largest massacre of British forces - over 57,550 casualties in one day. Among them were 732 men from the 1st Newfoundland Regiment ; of the 801 men of the Newfoundland Regiment, only 68 men answered the regimental roll call after the attack. 255 were dead, 386 were wounded, and 91 were listed as missing. Every officer who had gone over the top was either wounded or dead. On the day that the British forces suffered their worst losses in history, the 1st Newfoundland Regiment also suffered its worst loss in its history.
As the fighting continued, the Canadians (with the support of a new 4th Canadian Division) were asked to secure the town of Courcelette. In the major offensive which began at dawn on September 15 the Canadian Corps, on the extreme left of the attack, assaulted on a 2,200-yard sector west of the village of Courcelette. By November 11, the 4th Canadian Division finally secured most of the German trenches in Courcelette and then rejoined the Canadian Corps at Vimy Ridge.
The Battle of the Somme claimed 24,029 Canadian casualties. But it also gave Canadian units the reputation of a formidable assault force. As Prime Minister Lloyd George wrote, "The Canadians played a part of such distinction that thenceforward they were marked out as shock troops; for the remainder of the war they were brought along to head the assault in one great battle after another. Whenever the Germans found the Canadian Corps coming into the line they prepared for the worst."
These are pages of World War One...history....suffering..all..these were real people..they lived and died. READ IT.
Abram: America being a REPUBLIC, and myself, every other American, being a REPUBLICAN living in the American REPUBLIC, I can't argue with you. I learned, was fed, the truth of republican principles in history class, and of my life has an American. An American freely taking opportunities offered, of my choice, while not limiting the ability of others to do the same. Enter the progressive movement, and squirreling away opportunities provided, but only according to the rules, and regulations they wrote to insure their prosperity. I know their lie, because I personally worked with, and saw the process in three different states. When they start getting into the illegal alien amnesty I have a boat load of documents, and information about the immigration process, businesses that employ illegals, and property owners who house them.
Well... you are a right a bout many illegal immigrants living and working in America but of course right now when the unemployment numbers are high this fact seems rather disturbing for many americans and I definately understand this matter.
Still... a lot jobs are never going to be taken by americans them selves and are only do able by "illegal" immigrants or the whole thing goes finish you see?
When America was in the buliding boom because of the economical baloon the Bushonomics created for keeping americans pre occupied so they would forget all a bout the stupid war in Iraq... illegal immigrants deleivered the main working force of building those and are doing the exact same even to day because building in america is not gone totaly Zero any way, Illegal immigrants taking care of the eldery, cleaning american homes, taking care of american children, cooking food for americans, washing dishes for american restaurants, cleaning the streets of America, working for military uniform manufactures and police uniform manufactures even and those places deleivering supplies for american forces, hard labor working in american farms, working in fishing and meat industry, clothing industry, wood industry, car shops, car washing, body shops...and the list is absoloutely long and most of these businesses would go bank rupted if not because of the cheap hard worker illegal immigrants.
America was even Built Totaly on the shoulders of illegal immigrants as a matter of fact... you know... Indians the main owners of America and then Europeans and so on came to their country and just Took it and then builted the country and so on
...So in one way or another you, your self are a kind of illegal immigrant too Abram and still a very fabulous american to day and really giving so much to the country you live in
Do not think that all those "illegals" you dislike and surely blaming for a whole bunch of problems America have to defeat, are less intelligent or less able than you are? Be sure that many many of them can becoming able becoming a fabulous american citizen as well and contributing positively to the country you live in to day and care so much a bout.
countinues...
part two...
All in America other than the so called indians are "illegal" immigrants any way Abram. Cheel out a little mister!
I know America is experiencing trouble today and the economy sucks still but ... are americans willing to work for a 3.50 box an hour in a pig farm some thing in Texas or in Georgia or Florida in the middle of summer? And the owner of that farm can not afford more I am telling you!
How many elderies all over the country can be thankful receiving care because there is a sweet mamma Consuella willing to take care of them for example? how many single moms in America are feeling so lucky because a so called "illegal" imigrant is there taking care of the kid when they are work to be able to pay the rent and stuff? How many american families with a serious illness in family are thankful because a chineese woman taking care of the ill person while they are at work or because the job is really too hard to handle?
I beleive each and every time an american president have decided to offer legality to some illegals who have been working hard and have not been involved in crimes while in the states... the act have been honrabel and nobel and have contributed a lot positive to the US of A, and at the same time... taxation will be paid and these human beings fleed to America because of poverty or what ever can be able to feel safe and begining a better life.I never forget the day some mexicans received legality in America under president Clinton... I was at home Depot some where in North ridge California and when radio told this I remember a lot happy mexican workers from the shop jumped out of happiness and embraced each other and shaked hands with others and began to sing and went yaaaaaaaaahooooooooo and runned around
!
A good day and both Home Depot and me and those hard worker mexicans of course became very pleased and I am more than definate most of those who became legal after that Clinton law are fabulous american citizens to day
All in America other than the so called indians are "illegal" immigrants any way Abram. Cheel out a little mister!
I know America is experiencing trouble today and the economy sucks still but ... are americans willing to work for a 3.50 box an hour in a pig farm some thing in Texas or in Georgia or Florida in the middle of summer? And the owner of that farm can not afford more I am telling you!
How many elderies all over the country can be thankful receiving care because there is a sweet mamma Consuella willing to take care of them for example? how many single moms in America are feeling so lucky because a so called "illegal" imigrant is there taking care of the kid when they are work to be able to pay the rent and stuff? How many american families with a serious illness in family are thankful because a chineese woman taking care of the ill person while they are at work or because the job is really too hard to handle?
I beleive each and every time an american president have decided to offer legality to some illegals who have been working hard and have not been involved in crimes while in the states... the act have been honrabel and nobel and have contributed a lot positive to the US of A, and at the same time... taxation will be paid and these human beings fleed to America because of poverty or what ever can be able to feel safe and begining a better life.I never forget the day some mexicans received legality in America under president Clinton... I was at home Depot some where in North ridge California and when radio told this I remember a lot happy mexican workers from the shop jumped out of happiness and embraced each other and shaked hands with others and began to sing and went yaaaaaaaaahooooooooo and runned around
! A good day and both Home Depot and me and those hard worker mexicans of course became very pleased and I am more than definate most of those who became legal after that Clinton law are fabulous american citizens to day
Would anyone like some? Feel free to help yourself
Veritaas: Would anyone like some? Feel free to help yourself
Yes please, I love popcorn. Thank you!
I3estman4u: You are where you were born. You say you lived in Canada for 25 years...so? Doesn't make you more Canadian than a leopard sharing the same field as a lion for years, suddenly becomes a Leon. I'm not saying the system is perfect, but far from the picture you all are painting. Our health system works far better for the majority than the American system.
i was born in windsor ontario. i'm a canadian. canada is great at a few things. their education system is far superior to america's. it's an amazingly envirnmentally friendly country. and hockey. health care isn't one of them. everyone in my family is canadian and 3 are doctors and they all agree on the health care in canada. you can't argue with people that have to use the system they work for. they are far more educated in the pros and cons than either of us
Adrummer90: Are you Conrad? Or Kayakman? Nonetheless, I am just positing a position. Must you bash? Don't you know the rules of the forum?
Perhaps you should read the forum rules my dear. I am very proud to be me and would not change it for the world!
I3estman4u: You are where you were born. You say you lived in Canada for 25 years...so? Doesn't make you more Canadian than a leopard sharing the same field as a lion for years, suddenly becomes a Leon. I'm not saying the system is perfect, but far from the picture you all are painting. Our health system works far better for the majority than the American system.
That is why in BC Canadian study of heart by pass and stroke victims needing surgery procedures. Of the 1800 that were signed up for procedurers in BC during the study period, 18% of them found other locations to have the procedures done.
Mostly in the US. Mainly because it was taking too long to get a life saving procedure done in BC in your socialized medical system. Your waiting line are too long and your operating facility are too back up.
How many of this 18% died? I don't know number was not in the studies to say. Of the 1800 ...31 did. Did say they were still trying to work the bugs out the system to reduce the time to get procedures done. That average was a 31 day wait. The longest was 45 days. A hint, my dad had triple by pass...done in 7 days time here. And they would do a follow up study to see if the changes were effective. So your professionals know you got problems here.
You have some serious problems in your medical system when 18% cannot get procedurers done to save their life. But you are all tangled up in trying to prove to the US and the 300m American you got the best thing since slice cheese. Canada 33.2m US of A 304m
If you cannot get socialize medicine right for a small number of Canadians....how in the world is the US going to for 300m? 10 times larger than Canada. But you sit there and give us this BS and smoke about how good it is. But it is not Canadians that are going to die because the Obamacare system gets screwed up worse than yours did.
It has to because we have 10X the people. But that does not matter
to you. They are not Canadian. Just south of the border Americans. From I have read in these post, that matters little to many Canadians and Europeans.
Some foreign country debates, you should not be in unless you got it 100% right. Then yes, contribute. But if you don't and thier lives are lost because they took your advice...then you don't see a responsibility? But you should take a real close look in several years and see if the death rate increases in the US under Obamacare. If it does.....feel free to say you contributed to the lost of those additional lives. But I doubt that such will ever come from a Canadian or European that enter this American debate.
Adrummer90: This forum is supposed to be debating Obamas health care plan. Not bashing. Not "hijacking. Isn't this more about the fall of a Democracy?
Just for clarification purposes, there is no bashing or hijacking going on here. If a thread goes a wee bit of track there is no harm in that, considering the amount of threads on Obama recently. I dont see any harm in asking if people would like some popcorn, kind of like a break in a 4 hour long movie at the cinema. Now back to the subject if you please.!
Christmas1: Yes please, I love popcorn. Thank you!
Watcha Christmas, fancy a beer too
Adrummer90: This forum is supposed to be debating Obamas health care plan. Not bashing. Not "hijacking. Isn't this more about the fall of a Democracy?
No. about the development of democracy
Veritaas: Watcha Christmas, fancy a beer too
A beer...omg...you are too generous.
Tanks, Tanks againelsson: No. about the development of democracy
I thought it was about socialism...Red Commies...is that a comic book....I like Comics...can I have one please...please.
Veritaas: Would anyone like some? Feel free to help yourself
I appreciate the offer, but after that lesson I'm just full of it. I will grab a beer though, to wash it down. 
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You must have missed it...
Canada announced a few months ago..that the healthcare system has been a dismal failure...according to the man who set your system up..
who would know better than he?