Cleaning up Everest (of bodies!) (67)
My answer by the way, is a hesitant "Yes".
I think that it is a good thing, but I also understand that it would be very difficult for the relatives. It's just that for decades, Everest has become a dumping ground for everyone's unwanted equipment and rubbish. It is only now that that problem is being addressed! I realise that it is a very delicate matter, and being an ex hillwalker, I can also understand that some people's wishes may have even been to be left on the mountainside, in the event of their death.
I think that it is a good thing, but I also understand that it would be very difficult for the relatives. It's just that for decades, Everest has become a dumping ground for everyone's unwanted equipment and rubbish. It is only now that that problem is being addressed! I realise that it is a very delicate matter, and being an ex hillwalker, I can also understand that some people's wishes may have even been to be left on the mountainside, in the event of their death.
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Juneau: A team of mountaineers are planning to retrieve the bodies of climbers who have lost their lives on Mount Everest. It is thought as many as 150 bodies are still on the mountainside, beyond the reach of recovery because of treacherous climbing conditions (in the so-called "death zone" - above 8,000m).
Do you agree that they should try and retrieve these people (and risk their own lives) or do you think that these climbers should be left to rest where they died?
Do you agree that they should try and retrieve these people (and risk their own lives) or do you think that these climbers should be left to rest where they died?
A risk that can only be determined by the climbers themselves.
Personally I would like to see much stricter restrictions
placed on access to Everest. As it stands, around $50,000
will get anyone who is reasonably fit onto a summit bid,
hence the recent increase in fatalities.
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It really is a risk/reward scenario......
I reckon if that was my loved one on the mountain, I wouldn't want others to risk their lives to rescue them. I would imagine if I died trying to climb Everest, I would be happy to stay there.
I reckon if that was my loved one on the mountain, I wouldn't want others to risk their lives to rescue them. I would imagine if I died trying to climb Everest, I would be happy to stay there.
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Juneau: A team of mountaineers are planning to retrieve the bodies of climbers who have lost their lives on Mount Everest. It is thought as many as 150 bodies are still on the mountainside, beyond the reach of recovery because of treacherous climbing conditions (in the so-called "death zone" - above 8,000m).
Do you agree that they should try and retrieve these people (and risk their own lives) or do you think that these climbers should be left to rest where they died?
Do you agree that they should try and retrieve these people (and risk their own lives) or do you think that these climbers should be left to rest where they died?
They earned the right to be there with their lives...leave em be
Clean up the garbage definitely but also try and bring some accountability to those who left it. If it can be determined whose it is (identification) then their portion of the bill should be presented for the clean up.
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bodleing: A risk that can only be determined by the climbers themselves.
Personally I would like to see much stricter restrictions
placed on access to Everest. As it stands, around $50,000
will get anyone who is reasonably fit onto a summit bid,
hence the recent increase in fatalities.
Personally I would like to see much stricter restrictions
placed on access to Everest. As it stands, around $50,000
will get anyone who is reasonably fit onto a summit bid,
hence the recent increase in fatalities.
Yes, I agree with you about the tighter restrictions. Basically, it seems that if you are wealthy, you can be taken up Everest! That is crazy! It's not only the physcial strength and endurance that you would need, but also huge amounts of experience, and the mental capacity to undertake such a massive and serious expedition.
The article that I read about this just mentioned that a team of mountaineers was going to undertake the retrieval of the bodies. I don't know who they are, but I would think it would be a worthwhile training opportunity for the Forces to do this?
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A group of climbers is planning to retrieve the bodies of some of the mountaineers who have died on the world’s highest mountain.
The Extreme Everest Expedition 2010 hopes to bring some of the frozen bodies from the higher reaches of Everest, where they have lain – some of them for years. The team also hopes to clear two tons of rubbish from the ‘death zone’ above 8,000m, some of it dating from the earliest sorties up the mountain.
The 31 members will be led by Namgyal Sherpa in the first attempt at clearing debris from such a high altitude, where the human body can only exist for short periods due to the oxygen-sparse atmosphere and extreme climatic conditions.
The amount of waste on the mountain has increased since the popularity of ascents increased, with up to 500 people successfully summiting each year, many on commercially led expeditions.
A statement by the Extreme Everest Expedition organisers said: “No one has successfully been able to manage this pile of waste materials left above the height of 8,000m, although some attempts have been made to manage this waste in past years.”
But it is the recovery of dead mountaineers that will attract most attention. The operation will concentrate on the route above the South Col, and hopes to recover the remains of five climbers, including a Swiss mountaineer who died in 2008 on the mountain. The team hopes to cremate the body – with the family’s permission – below base camp.
Fifteen people died on Everest in one single climbing season in 1996 – the deadliest in the mountain’s history. The death of David Sharp in 2006, reportedly passed by several climbers in his final hours, sparked a huge debate on mountain ethics.
George Mallory, right, and Andrew 'Sandy' Irvine. Their bodies are still on EverestIt is estimated about 150 climbers’ bodies may lie on the mountain, including that of George Mallory, who died along with his climbing partner Sandy Irvine in 1924. Mallory’s body was found by an expedition set up specifically to find the pair in 1999, and his body was reburied at the site it was found on the north face of the mountain.
The Extreme Everest Expedition 2010 is due to start on 25 April and is expected to last 40 days.
From The BMC Website
The Extreme Everest Expedition 2010 hopes to bring some of the frozen bodies from the higher reaches of Everest, where they have lain – some of them for years. The team also hopes to clear two tons of rubbish from the ‘death zone’ above 8,000m, some of it dating from the earliest sorties up the mountain.
The 31 members will be led by Namgyal Sherpa in the first attempt at clearing debris from such a high altitude, where the human body can only exist for short periods due to the oxygen-sparse atmosphere and extreme climatic conditions.
The amount of waste on the mountain has increased since the popularity of ascents increased, with up to 500 people successfully summiting each year, many on commercially led expeditions.
A statement by the Extreme Everest Expedition organisers said: “No one has successfully been able to manage this pile of waste materials left above the height of 8,000m, although some attempts have been made to manage this waste in past years.”
But it is the recovery of dead mountaineers that will attract most attention. The operation will concentrate on the route above the South Col, and hopes to recover the remains of five climbers, including a Swiss mountaineer who died in 2008 on the mountain. The team hopes to cremate the body – with the family’s permission – below base camp.
Fifteen people died on Everest in one single climbing season in 1996 – the deadliest in the mountain’s history. The death of David Sharp in 2006, reportedly passed by several climbers in his final hours, sparked a huge debate on mountain ethics.
George Mallory, right, and Andrew 'Sandy' Irvine. Their bodies are still on EverestIt is estimated about 150 climbers’ bodies may lie on the mountain, including that of George Mallory, who died along with his climbing partner Sandy Irvine in 1924. Mallory’s body was found by an expedition set up specifically to find the pair in 1999, and his body was reburied at the site it was found on the north face of the mountain.
The Extreme Everest Expedition 2010 is due to start on 25 April and is expected to last 40 days.
From The BMC Website
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vinny1967: It really is a risk/reward scenario......
I reckon if that was my loved one on the mountain, I wouldn't want others to risk their lives to rescue them. I would imagine if I died trying to climb Everest, I would be happy to stay there.
I reckon if that was my loved one on the mountain, I wouldn't want others to risk their lives to rescue them. I would imagine if I died trying to climb Everest, I would be happy to stay there.
Yes, I know exactly what you mean. It's a difficult poll to answer...even for me! In my climbing days I used to say that I would rather fall off one of my beloved mountains, than to die of an illness! I would have died doing something I loved to do!
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Juneau: A team of mountaineers are planning to retrieve the bodies of climbers who have lost their lives on Mount Everest. It is thought as many as 150 bodies are still on the mountainside, beyond the reach of recovery because of treacherous climbing conditions (in the so-called "death zone" - above 8,000m).
Do you agree that they should try and retrieve these people (and risk their own lives) or do you think that these climbers should be left to rest where they died?
Do you agree that they should try and retrieve these people (and risk their own lives) or do you think that these climbers should be left to rest where they died?
Climbing of Mt Everest should be banned . Those who climb shows no respect to it . Everest has become a wastebin.
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bollywood: Climbing of Mt Everest should be banned . Those who climb shows no respect to it . Everest has become a wastebin.
I doubt that will happen, the Nepalese need the revenue.
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Well, these folks new the risks and I guess they would want to be left in the place that they obviously loved being...besides, why deprive the local wildlife of their fast food takeaway...sorry that was bad humour...but true
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Ralphy2407: Well, these folks new the risks and I guess they would want to be left in the place that they obviously loved being...besides, why deprive the local wildlife of their fast food takeaway...sorry that was bad humour...but true
Local wildlife!!!
Above 8000m???
I dont think so.
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bodleing: I doubt that will happen, the Nepalese need the revenue.
A sad but true fact.....I think most of the folk who died on the Mountain would if able to say that they would as climbers just be left on the mountain as they would not like to see anyone die in the attempt to get them down.....And what a place for a climber to spend his last
Slightly of course with this question ....Was Mallory on his way or down when he died ...Did he make it to the top
I'd live to think he did...
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bodleing: Local wildlife!!!
Above 8000m???
I dont think so.
Above 8000m???
I dont think so.
Hi Boddy
yeah sure local wildlife, how about Yeti's
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patmac: A sad but true fact.....I think most of the folk who died on the Mountain would if able to say that they would as climbers just be left on the mountain as they would not like to see anyone die in the attempt to get them down.....And what a place for a climber to spend his last
Slightly of course with this question ....Was Mallory on his way or down when he died ...Did he make it to the top
I'd live to think he did...
OOOPS didgit troubleSlightly of course with this question ....Was Mallory on his way or down when he died ...Did he make it to the top
I'd live to think he did...
I'd love to say he did it
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Juneau: A team of mountaineers are planning to retrieve the bodies of climbers who have lost their lives on Mount Everest. It is thought as many as 150 bodies are still on the mountainside, beyond the reach of recovery because of treacherous climbing conditions (in the so-called "death zone" - above 8,000m).
Do you agree that they should try and retrieve these people (and risk their own lives) or do you think that these climbers should be left to rest where they died?
Do you agree that they should try and retrieve these people (and risk their own lives) or do you think that these climbers should be left to rest where they died?
how sad, i really think they should be honoured and have a proper buriel like everyone else, retrieving them wouldnt be as dangerous as retrieving bodies admist a war..100% yes and the guys who will go get them should be praised also.
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Juneau: A team of mountaineers are planning to retrieve the bodies of climbers who have lost their lives on Mount Everest. It is thought as many as 150 bodies are still on the mountainside, beyond the reach of recovery because of treacherous climbing conditions (in the so-called "death zone" - above 8,000m).
Do you agree that they should try and retrieve these people (and risk their own lives) or do you think that these climbers should be left to rest where they died?
Do you agree that they should try and retrieve these people (and risk their own lives) or do you think that these climbers should be left to rest where they died?
also,if successful i could see a movie come out of this
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bozzyy: also,if successful i could see a movie come out of this
Have you seen Touching the Void?
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Ralphy2407: Well, these folks new the risks and I guess they would want to be left in the place that they obviously loved being...besides, why deprive the local wildlife of their fast food takeaway...sorry that was bad humour...but true
Would there be any local wildlife above 26,000 feet??
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bozzyy: how sad, i really think they should be honoured and have a proper buriel like everyone else, retrieving them wouldnt be as dangerous as retrieving bodies admist a war..100% yes and the guys who will go get them should be praised also.
why is putting ones bones in the ground in a specific place more of an honor than leaving them interred where they ended by their own choice
i mean they knew it was possible and they were willing to risk it
so they were following their hearts and died fulfilled
so how is it sad? it is happy and glorious
the best way to honour them is to honour their choice
not put their bones somewhere because some selfish family member wants them placed in the ground
moving around bones is ridiculous-the spirit is long gone and has no need of being 'honoured'
all that maneuvering is about those that remain and fulfilling their 'needs' as i think one who died following their joy is at peace and has no such need to fulfill such societal perceptions as a burial
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bodleing: Local wildlife!!!
Above 8000m???
I dont think so.
Above 8000m???
I dont think so.
Sorry,,, just read your post!
That's what I thought! We are talking about the "death zone" ie. above 26,000 feet. There wouldn't be ANY wildlife up there. This poll was originally meant to be a discussion about the retrieval of those who have died in the death zone of Everest, not really so much about the rubbish. I was just interested to see what people's opinions were. We all know about the massive problem with all the rubbish that people leave behind after expeditions, but the retrieval of the dead is the issue that I was hoping people would comment on, as it has never been done before.
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bodleing: Have you seen Touching the Void?
Yes, an amazing film!
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mindfful: why is putting ones bones in the ground in a specific place more of an honor than leaving them interred where they ended by their own choice
i mean they knew it was possible and they were willing to risk it
so they were following their hearts and died fulfilled
so how is it sad? it is happy and glorious
the best way to honour them is to honour their choice
not put their bones somewhere because some selfish family member wants them placed in the groundmoving around bones is ridiculous-the spirit is long gone and has no need of being 'honoured'
all that maneuvering is about those that remain and fulfilling their 'needs' as i think one who died following their joy is at peace and has no such need to fulfill such societal perceptions as a burial
i mean they knew it was possible and they were willing to risk it
so they were following their hearts and died fulfilled
so how is it sad? it is happy and glorious
the best way to honour them is to honour their choice
not put their bones somewhere because some selfish family member wants them placed in the groundmoving around bones is ridiculous-the spirit is long gone and has no need of being 'honoured'
all that maneuvering is about those that remain and fulfilling their 'needs' as i think one who died following their joy is at peace and has no such need to fulfill such societal perceptions as a burial
You make a very valid point. I think they are going to organize the removal of the bodies (if indeed it is possible!) as there are supposed to be 150 corpses in that relatively small area of Everest.
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Juneau: Yes, an amazing film!
It's one of those rare films that is as good, if not better
than the book. Having said that, I find it excruciatingly
painful to watch...you just feel for that man.
He spent years being vilified by the climbing community for
what he did, but of course, he had no choice.
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bodleing: It's one of those rare films that is as good, if not better
than the book. Having said that, I find it excruciatingly
painful to watch...you just feel for that man.
He spent years being vilified by the climbing community for
what he did, but of course, he had no choice.
than the book. Having said that, I find it excruciatingly
painful to watch...you just feel for that man.
He spent years being vilified by the climbing community for
what he did, but of course, he had no choice.
Why was he vilified? As you say, he had no choice about cutting the rope! This is the type of decision that all climbers have to think carefully about before getting into the sport in the first place!
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Juneau: Why was he vilified? As you say, he had no choice about cutting the rope! This is the type of decision that all climbers have to think carefully about before getting into the sport in the first place!
I remember it clearly. At the time details were sketchy,
reports came through of what he had done. My first thoughts
were, you just dont do that, you dont cut the rope and you
dont abandon a fellow climber. All kind of rumours were
being banded about, he took a lot of stick for quite some
time. I think the book, then finally the film (particularly
the way the film was put together, in quite a unique way,)
explained all. They were obviously both survivors, with a
strong will to live.
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patmac: A sad but true fact.....I think most of the folk who died on the Mountain would if able to say that they would as climbers just be left on the mountain as they would not like to see anyone die in the attempt to get them down.....And what a place for a climber to spend his last
Slightly of course with this question ....Was Mallory on his way or down when he died ...Did he make it to the top
I'd live to think he did...
Slightly of course with this question ....Was Mallory on his way or down when he died ...Did he make it to the top
I'd live to think he did...
Was Mallory's body ever recovered from the mountain?
No one has considered bringing up remains from sunken ships, e.g. the Titanic. This is no different.
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Analie: Was Mallory's body ever recovered from the mountain?
No one has considered bringing up remains from sunken ships, e.g. the Titanic. This is no different.
No one has considered bringing up remains from sunken ships, e.g. the Titanic. This is no different.
If you read my post one page one, you will find the answer to that.
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patmac: A sad but true fact.....I think most of the folk who died on the Mountain would if able to say that they would as climbers just be left on the mountain as they would not like to see anyone die in the attempt to get them down.....And what a place for a climber to spend his last
Slightly of course with this question ....Was Mallory on his way or down when he died ...Did he make it to the top
I'd live to think he did...
Slightly of course with this question ....Was Mallory on his way or down when he died ...Did he make it to the top
I'd live to think he did...
I don't think there has ever been any way to prove whether Mallory made it to the summit or not.
"In 1999 a research expedition found the remains of George Mallory, a British explorer and mountaineer, who disappeared with ropemate Andrew Irvine in 1924. Experts have long debated whether it was possible that the pair had actually reached the summit before perishing. The find did not provide conclusive evidence. A service was performed for Mallory and his body left where it was"
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Cleaning up Everest (of bodies!)(Vote Below)
Do you agree that they should try and retrieve these people (and risk their own lives) or do you think that these climbers should be left to rest where they died?