is there a GOD (463)
christian22: Yes there is a God, whether one believes like we christians do, or like athiest or agnostic, who dont.
Accept or deny it is our choice, but why miss the greatest source of love offered to us all. You can find out.
If you seek him honestly with a wanting to know if God is or not, you will find him:
Seek and you shall find.
We all owe it to ourselves ...just in the slightest chance we could be wrong..your eternal future destination rests on what you do..i wish you well
You sound more like a man in fear of not having eternity as opposed to a man who has faith.Accept or deny it is our choice, but why miss the greatest source of love offered to us all. You can find out.
If you seek him honestly with a wanting to know if God is or not, you will find him:
Seek and you shall find.
We all owe it to ourselves ...just in the slightest chance we could be wrong..your eternal future destination rests on what you do..i wish you well
I do not believe there is a "god"
SCatlyn: You mean these kind of attitudes?
Showing disrespect to someone else's beliefs and giving your own translation as fact?
Really, you believe if everyone had these attitudes, the world would be a much better place?
The quote from Timothy is taken out of context - both content & time period.
All I seem to hear on the national news is Tolerance, Tolerance, Tolerance.... so where is it?
I'm a Christian, and I made several posts to this thread, and was not disrespectful to anyone posting their opinions here, including either of you.
Showing disrespect to someone else's beliefs and giving your own translation as fact?
Really, you believe if everyone had these attitudes, the world would be a much better place?
The quote from Timothy is taken out of context - both content & time period.
All I seem to hear on the national news is Tolerance, Tolerance, Tolerance.... so where is it?
I'm a Christian, and I made several posts to this thread, and was not disrespectful to anyone posting their opinions here, including either of you.
I have right to my opinions just as you do.
SCatlyn: The quote itself is close to correct, but it's meaning is taken out of context of the passage it's in, and also the time period.
1 Timothy 2:11-12 - A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
If you take that the way the poster used it, and without the background that goes with it, wouldn't you would think Christian churches would have no women teachers or preachers?
Yet even here at C.S., there are 2 Christian women pastors that I personally know of... and sure there are more. Anyone ever hear of Joyce Meyers?(If not, just google the name)
Non-Christians are stating what they seem to believe are Christians' beliefs ...and that's their right, I would imagine, in a forum post.
What I dislike about their posts is the total lack of respect for other member's beliefs.
Is what I quoted in my previous post- "If everybody had your attitude to life the world would be a much better place...btw its how l see the world too." and what that post was in reference to - really the way to make the world a much better place - in your opinion... or anyone elses?P.S.If you want to know more about the meaning the verses, which I don't think you do, but figured you just might ask , I don't have the time, but you can research it in an online "concordance" (a list of words used in a body of work, with their immediate contexts)
1 Timothy 2:11-12 - A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.
If you take that the way the poster used it, and without the background that goes with it, wouldn't you would think Christian churches would have no women teachers or preachers?
Yet even here at C.S., there are 2 Christian women pastors that I personally know of... and sure there are more. Anyone ever hear of Joyce Meyers?(If not, just google the name)
Non-Christians are stating what they seem to believe are Christians' beliefs ...and that's their right, I would imagine, in a forum post.
What I dislike about their posts is the total lack of respect for other member's beliefs.
Is what I quoted in my previous post- "If everybody had your attitude to life the world would be a much better place...btw its how l see the world too." and what that post was in reference to - really the way to make the world a much better place - in your opinion... or anyone elses?P.S.If you want to know more about the meaning the verses, which I don't think you do, but figured you just might ask , I don't have the time, but you can research it in an online "concordance" (a list of words used in a body of work, with their immediate contexts)
I am very good friends with a female church preacher, with a similar name. l dont go to church but she never has once tried to push me in any direction. I had my sons funeral in her church. It was very low key as he was not religous but we had a church service out of respect for family and friends so they could say goodbye in thier own way. When my boyfriend of 4 years died suddenly, his family did not want a church service so we just had a gathering for him which she came to just as my friend. So just because l dont have the same views as you or others l do not show disrespect. We are all equal in my eyes be it man , woman, christian or non christian.
Faithe: I am very good friends with a female church preacher, with a similar name. l dont go to church but she never has once tried to push me in any direction. I had my sons funeral in her church. It was very low key as he was not religous but we had a church service out of respect for family and friends so they could say goodbye in thier own way. When my boyfriend of 4 years died suddenly, his family did not want a church service so we just had a gathering for him which she came to just as my friend. So just because l dont have the same views as you or others l do not show disrespect. We are all equal in my eyes be it man , woman, christian or non christian.
It wasn't having a different belief that I was referring to. If it that was the case, I would have felt many more were disrespectful - however, I did not.This comment & the person's you quoted at the time are the posts I felt were disrespectful-
Faithe: Now l understand why the bible doesnt make any sense to me...they have already ripped those pages out....
time4fun4u: You sound more like a man in fear of not having eternity as opposed to a man who has faith.
I suppose it may sound that way, but it's not. I know this person very well - he was not always a Christian, and he's been through more than anyone will ever know. It's been knowing God cares that has helped him the most.RDM59: ... a bit more work in the faith department required here I think.
No, he's just trying to be as unoffensive to those who don't believe the same, yet still voice his opinion. This is a very kind, caring, gentle man.bodleing: I suspect if the poll was conducted in the uk only, the results would be quite different.
Religion is on a downward spiral here.
Definitely, as well as here. It doesn't prove anything about whether there's a God or not(and I know tomcatwarner was just kidding around when he made that statement "Hmmm looks like there is a God...). A poll either direction shows people's opinions, not proof of those opinions. Religion is on a downward spiral here.
My point about the polls was that they give a more accurate depiction of the percentages, than reading comments on a forum. People are often attacked if giving an unpopular opinion, so don't post, but do vote.
amahlala: I do not believe there is a "god"
Even though I have a different belief, I respect this poster & her own views;esp. b/c she didn't attack others when posting.
(Nothing wrong with questioning another's opinion, or asking them for proof - being disrespectful, though, is a different story.)
Some people say there is no god other say there is.
Why can't people just agree to disagree until proved otherwise.
Why can't people just agree to disagree until proved otherwise.
SCatlyn: No, he's just trying to be as unoffensive to those who don't believe the same, yet still voice his opinion. This is a very kind, caring, gentle man.
I'm sure he is a kind and gentle man and is quite capable of coping with my minor comment. Come on, lighten up please.
I've seen a few comments which infer to me that it is the fear of not ensuring a heavenly afterlife that drives the religious following during this earthly one. If so, is being a good person and helping others etc just a self serving process
( witnessed and recorded by the almighty of course) to ensure an entry ticket to heaven and therefore the good deed is not really done without any personal benefit in mind ?
I got turned back at St Peters in Rome because I was wearing a t-shirt on an extremely hot day...
I wonder
ifn I were to wear what God gave me... I should have rocked up in my birthday suit...
Ah, but then I would have been arrested as a mad Aussie..
Can't win !!!
I wonder
ifn I were to wear what God gave me... I should have rocked up in my birthday suit...
Ah, but then I would have been arrested as a mad Aussie..
Can't win !!!
Merriweather: I got turned back at St Peters in Rome because I was wearing a t-shirt on an extremely hot day...
I wonder
ifn I were to wear what God gave me... I should have rocked up in my birthday suit...
Ah, but then I would have been arrested as a mad Aussie..
Can't win !!!
I wonder
ifn I were to wear what God gave me... I should have rocked up in my birthday suit...
Ah, but then I would have been arrested as a mad Aussie..
Can't win !!!
I wouldnt turn you away in your birthday suit.tallman51: "" Is There A God ? ""
Of course !..............and I love you all !!
Of course !..............and I love you all !!
This is my last time answering this question !
Now go in peace !
time4fun4u: I wouldnt turn you away in your birthday suit.
Doesn't it depend on which birthday it is ? ....
RDM59: Doesn't it depend on which birthday it is ? ....
Ah RDM... you are but in trouble here...
so Ifn I say its my 40th birthday, well that's alright then.. but ifn I say its my 80th birthday... you'd turn me away...
PFFFTTTTTT great friend you turned out to be... !!!!!
Merriweather: Ah RDM... you are but in trouble here...
so Ifn I say its my 40th birthday, well that's alright then.. but ifn I say its my 80th birthday... you'd turn me away...PFFFTTTTTT great friend you turned out to be... !!!!!
so Ifn I say its my 40th birthday, well that's alright then.. but ifn I say its my 80th birthday... you'd turn me away...PFFFTTTTTT great friend you turned out to be... !!!!!
Aucht hud yer wheesht wumun .....
International Womans Day is over now downunder ....
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Only kidding possum, you will always be gorgeous ....
RDM59: Aucht hud yer wheesht wumun .....
International Womans Day is over now downunder ....
Only kidding possum, you will always be gorgeous ....
International Womans Day is over now downunder ....
Only kidding possum, you will always be gorgeous ....
Hahahah RDM... I just love this photo... and its great to have a laugh...
You ought to ask Steve... he said I am a great skippy, but he could never find the 'off button'
Post this pic with regards from me on his fb wall...
Bless him, I am well sorry that he has been banned from here..
cynicalorange: Or too much of the mushrooms?
I'm more inclined to believe in evolution, which has been proved, than something based on a book written by mankind.
I'm more inclined to believe in evolution, which has been proved, than something based on a book written by mankind.
Of course God exists! Where do you think love came from? A big bang? I've never seen an explosion cause love, have you? 
Not to mention all of the life on Earth, including the magnificent sea world.
But the hearts of those HE chooses to close so they can not believe, then they shall not ever believe, even if an Angel were to descend from Heaven to stand before them...
Not to mention all of the life on Earth, including the magnificent sea world.
But the hearts of those HE chooses to close so they can not believe, then they shall not ever believe, even if an Angel were to descend from Heaven to stand before them...
Dr_Hfuhruhurr: The whole believing in a God thing is ridiculous. But that's just my opinion.
Thats why there is no light in your eyes....Yahweh Ha Kadosh is alive but not where there is no light.
SCatlyn: You certainly have a right to your opinion - but it's not what I've experienced in my own church - no one is living high off the hog using what "is dumped into the plate". Money is used for the expenses of running the church, the pastor is not wealthy(not even close), and if there's ever extra, it's used for things such as the May 3, May 8, and last May's deadly tornadoes & hail storms, and other community projects, including a food pantry.
(Would appreciate not being stereotyped.)
(Would appreciate not being stereotyped.)
Those old farts in Rome seem to be living real damn good.
For those that believe yes, for those that do not, no, quite simple. Religion is a personal and subjective topic, to which I say, to each their own.
For those that believe yes, for those that do not, no, quite simple. Religion is a personal and subjective topic, to which I say, to each their own.
RDM59: I'm sure he is a kind and gentle man and is quite capable of coping with my minor comment. Come on, lighten up please.
I've seen a few comments which infer to me that it is the fear of not ensuring a heavenly afterlife that drives the religious following during this earthly one. If so, is being a good person and helping others etc just a self serving process
( witnessed and recorded by the almighty of course) to ensure an entry ticket to heaven and therefore the good deed is not really done without any personal benefit in mind ?
I think I lightened up when I asked tomcatwarner about that cute cat he had posted yesterday... I've seen a few comments which infer to me that it is the fear of not ensuring a heavenly afterlife that drives the religious following during this earthly one. If so, is being a good person and helping others etc just a self serving process
( witnessed and recorded by the almighty of course) to ensure an entry ticket to heaven and therefore the good deed is not really done without any personal benefit in mind ?
- I really do think it's cute.And yes, the poster is capable - but I've also seen someone take another's minor comment & twist it into more. Knowing the background(see prev.post), I really didn't want to see that happen. (I believe the friends of a certain atheist poster who was going through a rough time recently, felt the same way about their friend.)
Understand how you would get that impression. It's easy to see from some of the posts, though I think most posted that aspect of their belief w/good intentions & not meaning to infer that, though maybe some did. They believe not everyone will go to heaven, and try to warn others so others, too will go to heaven.(Some, I guess, do it better than others. MikeHD is very good at it-he's been busy w/another thread, though.) It's a fine line to state your beliefs, try to help others see b/c you care about their future, yet not appear to be "forcing" those beliefs.
You have to look at it from the believer's viewpoint - whatever faith it may be - if you want to understand why they say what they do. To be able to understand why one says & does what they do, doesn't mean you'll agree with it - but showing understanding & respect on both sides, regardless of your beliefs - would go a long way in "lightening" things up on these types of threads.
A true Christian helps others for several reasons. Of course, one is they have compassion for the people they're helping. But there can be times when a (Christian)person has been asked to help in some kind of outreach, or teach a class, etc., and feel unqualified or too tired to do so - h/e, if they feel God wants them to do so, then they'll do it & ask for God's help. If they don't feel "led" to do so, that is, they don't feel it is God's will for them, they'll say No, they have prayed about it, and feel it isn't God's will for them at this time.
It's about obeying the will of God(which includes serving your fellow human being), who has your best interest at heart, loves you, will help you through the deepest valleys of this life, and an afterlife where there is no war, hate, sickness, death, pain, or saying goodbye to loved ones.
The reason Christians feel compelled to share their faith is b/c they want the same for others, yet they are treading on eggshells, esp. these days, when they do so.
*Please keep in mind - these are Christian beliefs. I realize many don't believe in them. I'm not posting this to prove these beliefs, or to answer questions such as "how does a person know God's will?" - only posting to state what those beliefs are to answer the question asked
Couple of personal opinions-
I believe there are a lot of so-called "Christians", many w/great influence, who were only after money, power, recognition - who have a lot to answer for not only for crimes they may have committed, but most especially for the terrible light they've caused to be cast on sincere Christians & the Christian faith.
If everybody, regardless of the kind of life they lived, went to heaven, it would be earth -with all it's misery, killing, stealing, hatred.... (IMO-prob.exclusively)
SCatlyn: If everybody, regardless of the kind of life they lived, went to heaven, it would be earth -with all it's misery, killing, stealing, hatred.... (IMO-prob.exclusively)
And I know many churches, in every big city in the U.S. do charitable work. Even the gov't. recognizes churches contribute/are a part of many community services, and doesn't tax church income. I would expect many who were displaced by Hurricane Katrina, would have a lot of good to say about many Christian churches.
I recognize that most churches contribute and perform many community services (I worked for Salvation Army for many years); however; I feel that churches should pay taxes on the income that they receive and also property taxes on the building(s) that they hold.
Although I am sure that many would disagree with me; I feel if a religious organization is part of a community it should pay taxes in that community; as the organization depends on many of the same services that other business and private property owners use, such as fire, police and city hall. JMO.
I recognize that most churches contribute and perform many community services (I worked for Salvation Army for many years); however; I feel that churches should pay taxes on the income that they receive and also property taxes on the building(s) that they hold.
Although I am sure that many would disagree with me; I feel if a religious organization is part of a community it should pay taxes in that community; as the organization depends on many of the same services that other business and private property owners use, such as fire, police and city hall. JMO.
amahlala: And I know many churches, in every big city in the U.S. do charitable work. Even the gov't. recognizes churches contribute/are a part of many community services, and doesn't tax church income. I would expect many who were displaced by Hurricane Katrina, would have a lot of good to say about many Christian churches.
I recognize that most churches contribute and perform many community services (I worked for Salvation Army for many years); however; I feel that churches should pay taxes on the income that they receive and also property taxes on the building(s) that they hold.
Although I am sure that many would disagree with me; I feel if a religious organization is part of a community it should pay taxes in that community; as the organization depends on many of the same services that other business and private property owners use, such as fire, police and city hall. JMO.
I suppose I would agree when it comes to large churches. But the churches I've been a part of would just end up being forced to cut any community services they provide, which is why I believe the gov't has left them tax exempt. I recognize that most churches contribute and perform many community services (I worked for Salvation Army for many years); however; I feel that churches should pay taxes on the income that they receive and also property taxes on the building(s) that they hold.
Although I am sure that many would disagree with me; I feel if a religious organization is part of a community it should pay taxes in that community; as the organization depends on many of the same services that other business and private property owners use, such as fire, police and city hall. JMO.
By the way, the Salvation Army is a great organization - appreciate your work there!
SCatlyn: I suppose I would agree when it comes to large churches. But the churches I've been a part of would just end up being forced to cut any community services they provide, which is why I believe the gov't has left them tax exempt.
By the way, the Salvation Army is a great organization - appreciate your work there!
By the way, the Salvation Army is a great organization - appreciate your work there!
Thanks SC! And I see your point about the smaller churches.
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Is ETERNITY worth gambling on, when a simple step towards accepting Christ as your personal Lord and Savior in faith is all it takes to change that eternal destination?
What a complete load of tripe,nothing of what you say can be proven, a belief of anything is not fact of anything.I have a disabled sister who belives in fairy's and guess what she has never seen one.Do you belive for one second that if this god was for real we would not be having this debate because he would of come forward to prove to his non believers that he is for real ay what an ego he must have way too big to keep it quite for over 2000 years dont you think.I am not interested in what you believe to be true, just dont try to push it onto anyone who has not been brainwashed into believing in fairy tales. Peace and good health to you