is there a GOD (463)
eumundibabesunshine coast, Queensland Australia30 Threads 486 PostsDr_Hfuhruhurr: The whole believing in a God thing is ridiculous. But that's just my opinion.
I AGREE...HE,S ONLY IN PEOPLE,S HEADS
RDM59: The universe sure it spectacular, no doubt about that. There are zillions of other suns rising over zillions + planets each day. What makes us so special ? And one day the universe will die and it will all be gone, our planet will be too hot for us in about 1 billion years time, so what was the point ? Is it your appreciation of mother nature perhaps and your ability to love that is so easily summed up by the use of the word God to explain it away ?
Not sure who to quote here, so I'll quote you-lolThis is just a question I've always been curious as to how others would answer it.
Where did the materials/matter come from that the universe are made from? And can you prove that answer?
Part of the point I'm trying to make is, just b/c a person can't prove to another person that there is a God, you say it can't be.
But I'd also be very interested to see the various answers to the above question. Or these similar questions - How did we have a beginning? Where did anything begin & from what?
RDM59: No I still don't understand R. I think I do understand that to you he represents nature and the concept of love but is he tangible ? Is he your creator, your saviour ? Will you transcend up to his heavenly house ? What about those sort of questions.
Heaven is a state of mind and you either have it in your heart or you don't. There is no beginning. There is no ending. Only now. Love you Ardie--you're my fave..It's twilight and I'm tired. You the best, bud. I don't know how to explain it any more, except I love and value you--"Bheir Me Oh", my good friend. (it's a Scottish ballad about loyal friendship) Good Night
SCatlyn: Not sure who to quote here, so I'll quote you-lol
This is just a question I've always been curious as to how others would answer it.
Where did the materials/matter come from that the universe are made from? And can you prove that answer?
Part of the point I'm trying to make is, just b/c a person can't prove to another person that there is a God, you say it can't be.
But I'd also be very interested to see the various answers to the above question. Or these similar questions - How did we have a beginning? Where did anything begin & from what?
This is just a question I've always been curious as to how others would answer it.
Where did the materials/matter come from that the universe are made from? And can you prove that answer?
Part of the point I'm trying to make is, just b/c a person can't prove to another person that there is a God, you say it can't be.
But I'd also be very interested to see the various answers to the above question. Or these similar questions - How did we have a beginning? Where did anything begin & from what?
Matter is a form of energy and visa versa so the question can be put, where did all the energy come from to create all the matter in the universe. The old Big Bang theory states that it came from a singularity where time was also created so there was no pre-big bang state. One new theory is that the energy came from the collision of two other pre-existing bubble universes. But then there is the question of how these other universes were started. All just theory of course, just like your theory of there being a divine creator of it all. Nothing is proved as yet but science will keep on questioning it.
there is a God and also a devil. the devil was 1 of Gods discpiles until he wanted to be the head boss.the bible was witten way before time.he is what made everything in our lives,he watchings over everything we do.his angels do the same thing.with out God we would nt be here.he made the world,stars and the sky.just read ur bible.the bible even has the past,presant and furtune in it ,if u read it right.if u pray because something is nt right.dnt he answer u with what he wants u to have has a reply to ur prays?bonjoives song'living on a pray'.we need to do that everyday day and night for us to keep on living what God has giving us to work with,to live with and how to live.he forgives us for all our wrongs we do each and everyday.he died for our sins long time ago. just keep the faith,praying and belive in God.he does good work when he wants it all done at in his time.
Godkonws all,sees all.so pray and thank him for live,food and health and a roof over ur head.and if u have kids,thank him for them.the kids are the furtune.Godbless u all,God be with u all the time.we dnt have much time left here on this planet for we are almost ready to go to maybe world war 3 soon.the world is dieing.he will come soon to find his servants and everyone that dnt worship him,belive in him and follows he commandtionwill nt be saved from the buring pit down below the earth core.pls belive he is out ther.we will see soon.only Gods servants down here will see him face to face and belive in him even more then.so be good.belive in God.
Godkonws all,sees all.so pray and thank him for live,food and health and a roof over ur head.and if u have kids,thank him for them.the kids are the furtune.Godbless u all,God be with u all the time.we dnt have much time left here on this planet for we are almost ready to go to maybe world war 3 soon.the world is dieing.he will come soon to find his servants and everyone that dnt worship him,belive in him and follows he commandtionwill nt be saved from the buring pit down below the earth core.pls belive he is out ther.we will see soon.only Gods servants down here will see him face to face and belive in him even more then.so be good.belive in God.SCatlyn: Not sure who to quote here, so I'll quote you-lol
This is just a question I've always been curious as to how others would answer it.
Where did the materials/matter come from that the universe are made from? And can you prove that answer?
Part of the point I'm trying to make is, just b/c a person can't prove to another person that there is a God, you say it can't be.
But I'd also be very interested to see the various answers to the above question. Or these similar questions - How did we have a beginning? Where did anything begin & from what?
This is just a question I've always been curious as to how others would answer it.
Where did the materials/matter come from that the universe are made from? And can you prove that answer?
Part of the point I'm trying to make is, just b/c a person can't prove to another person that there is a God, you say it can't be.
But I'd also be very interested to see the various answers to the above question. Or these similar questions - How did we have a beginning? Where did anything begin & from what?
Suppose there was no beginning and that the elements that create life have always existed, continually spawning each other in an infinite way. And so, there will also be no end.
But because we have a difficult, if not impossible time comprehending the concept of anything infinite we look for other more finite examples.
I am surprised people never seem to think of that, it makes sense to me an so, therefore must be true?
Right?
That was sarcasm by the way, the last part anyway.
GOD exist on your own terms...in your own way. No one knows a definite answer of yes or no...
That's why the question is, "Do YOU believe in GOD?"
That's why the question is, "Do YOU believe in GOD?"
RDM59: Matter is a form of energy and visa versa so the question can be put, where did all the energy come from to create all the matter in the universe. The old Big Bang theory states that it came from a singularity where time was also created so there was no pre-big bang state. One new theory is that the energy came from the collision of two other pre-existing bubble universes. But then there is the question of how these other universes were started. All just theory of course, just like your theory of there being a divine creator of it all. Nothing is proved as yet but science will keep on questioning it.
Yes, that's what I mean(the part I put in bold. And you state the terms better than I know how.) Thanks for the reply.Thier is no proof either way whether God does or does not exist, it comes down to you either believe or dont.
Or on a lighter note we could a social experiment started by aliens and thier just sitting back watching and studying us....just joking people...lol.
Or on a lighter note we could a social experiment started by aliens and thier just sitting back watching and studying us....just joking people...lol.
marathonmanjh: Suppose there was no beginning and that the elements that create life have always existed, continually spawning each other in an infinite way. And so, there will also be no end.
But because we have a difficult, if not impossible time comprehending the concept of anything infinite we look for other more finite examples.
I am surprised people never seem to think of that, it makes sense to me an so, therefore must be true?
Right?
That was sarcasm by the way, the last part anyway.
But because we have a difficult, if not impossible time comprehending the concept of anything infinite we look for other more finite examples.
I am surprised people never seem to think of that, it makes sense to me an so, therefore must be true?
Right?
That was sarcasm by the way, the last part anyway.
So are you saying that our stars will never burn out and die ?
Stars are of course are still being born from stellar dust clouds but eventually the dispersal of matter will be too great for them to keep reforming. Eventually they will all be gone and only photons will remain drifting in the void that is left. This is the destiny of the universe according to science and the laws of physics.
RDM59: So are you saying that our stars will never burn out and die ?
Stars are of course are still being born from stellar dust clouds but eventually the dispersal of matter will be too great for them to keep reforming. Eventually they will all be gone and only photons will remain drifting in the void that is left. This is the destiny of the universe according to science and the laws of physics.
Stars are of course are still being born from stellar dust clouds but eventually the dispersal of matter will be too great for them to keep reforming. Eventually they will all be gone and only photons will remain drifting in the void that is left. This is the destiny of the universe according to science and the laws of physics.
No, not at all, I am talking about things for which we have very little understanding or no understanding of at all. Dark matter as one example. I think it is this lack of understanding which leads so many people to look for answers elsewhere, Deity's and the like.
Faithe: Thier is no proof either way whether God does or does not exist, it comes down to you either believe or dont.
Or on a lighter note we could a social experiment started by aliens and thier just sitting back watching and studying us....just joking people...lol.
Or on a lighter note we could a social experiment started by aliens and thier just sitting back watching and studying us....just joking people...lol.
I don't laugh at this one anymore. Perhaps not a social experiment but perhaps the seed of humanity arrived on the planet by chance, courtesy of a comet. It might help explain how our brains are so vastly more advanced to that of any other animal on the planet.
swade777: There most certainly is a GOD, and regardless if people want to believe it or not, every living soul will face that God either in judgement for eternal damnation, or acceptance into His Eternal Kingdom because of their willful faith in trusting Him and His Only Begotten Son (The Lord Jesus Christ - Who is GOD in the flesh).
Is ETERNITY worth gambling on, when a simple step towards accepting Christ as your personal Lord and Savior in faith is all it takes to change that eternal destination?
Is ETERNITY worth gambling on, when a simple step towards accepting Christ as your personal Lord and Savior in faith is all it takes to change that eternal destination?
awesome
it's pretty simple, isn't it marathonmanjh: Suppose there was no beginning and that the elements that create life have always existed, continually spawning each other in an infinite way. And so, there will also be no end.
But because we have a difficult, if not impossible time comprehending the concept of anything infinite we look for other more finite examples.
I am surprised people never seem to think of that, it makes sense to me an so, therefore must be true?
Right?
That was sarcasm by the way, the last part anyway.
True, about our minds being able/unable to comprehend. It is completely un-comprehendable that "the elements that create life" have always existed... Where did those elements come from? How did they just exist? How did they get there? The very existence of anything seems impossible, b/c it had to begin somewhere, yet where did that somewhere come from & when did it begin(& if I continue I'll get dizzy), but we know without a doubt things exist, of course, b/c here we are(yet we wouldn't believe it if it was told to us if we couldn't see our own existence- which of course, is another impossible situation-existing, but not seeing our existence, therefore not believing in existence-lol) But because we have a difficult, if not impossible time comprehending the concept of anything infinite we look for other more finite examples.
I am surprised people never seem to think of that, it makes sense to me an so, therefore must be true?
Right?
That was sarcasm by the way, the last part anyway.
What you stated, though, is also what I mean about belief in God - when people say there can't be one, b/c it doesn't make sense, can't be proven, it's impossible, etc., neither can the fact that things somehow began, or always were, or whatever the answer too big for me to understand is. Therefore, to me, it's not a legitimate argument against the existence of God.
I can't prove that God exists, the same as another individual is unable to prove that God does not exist.
marathonmanjh: No, not at all, I am talking about things for which we have very little understanding or no understanding of at all. Dark matter as one example. I think it is this lack of understanding which leads so many people to look for answers elsewhere, Deity's and the like.
Yes dark matter, dark energy etc, it's all exciting stuff. The incredible advancement in science technology and quantum theory is rapidly unravelling the plot don't you think ? It's in our human nature to seek answers, and long may that continue scientifically.
mlp133: just a poll
Human beings need something or someone they can believe in, can turn to with their problems and struggles. Some call it God, or Allah, or Yaweh, or simply a higher power. Some choose to believe only in themselves. None are right. None are wrong. This type of belief is a very personal one and we should respect the rights of all to their own belief system.
The opening passages of the Book of Genesis consecutively contain two creation stories. In the first story God progressively creates the different features of the world over a series of six days, resting on the seventh day.[Gen. 1:1–2:3] Creation is performed by divine incantation: on the first day God says, "Let there be light!" and light appears. On the second day God creates an expanse (firmament) to separate the waters above (the sky) from those below (the ocean/abyssos). On the third day God commands the waters below to recede and make dry land appear, and fills the earth with vegetation. God then puts lights in the sky to separate day from night to mark the seasons. On the fifth day, God creates sea creatures and birds of every kind and commands them to procreate. On the sixth day, God creates land creatures of every kind. Man and woman are created last, after the entire world is prepared for them; they are created in the image of God, and are given dominion and care over all other created things. God rests on the seventh and final day of creation as Sabbath, which he marks as holy.
In the second story the creation of man follows the creation of the heavens and earth, but occurs before the creation of plants and animals.[Gen. 2:4–2:25] God takes dirt (adamah, ochre) from the ground to form a man and breathes life into him. God prepares a garden in the East of Eden and puts the man there, then fills it with trees bearing fruit for him to eat. The man is invited to eat the fruit of any tree but one: the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God commands the man not to eat of that one tree "for when you eat of it you will surely die."[Gen. 2:17] Birds and animals are then created as man's companions and helpers, and God presents them to the man. The first man gives names to each one, but finds none of them to be "like him." So God puts the first man into a deep sleep and removes something from man's side, and uses it to make the first woman. "For this reason," the text reads, "a man will leave his father and mother for his wife, and they shall be joined as one flesh."
In the second story the creation of man follows the creation of the heavens and earth, but occurs before the creation of plants and animals.[Gen. 2:4–2:25] God takes dirt (adamah, ochre) from the ground to form a man and breathes life into him. God prepares a garden in the East of Eden and puts the man there, then fills it with trees bearing fruit for him to eat. The man is invited to eat the fruit of any tree but one: the tree of the knowledge of good and evil. God commands the man not to eat of that one tree "for when you eat of it you will surely die."[Gen. 2:17] Birds and animals are then created as man's companions and helpers, and God presents them to the man. The first man gives names to each one, but finds none of them to be "like him." So God puts the first man into a deep sleep and removes something from man's side, and uses it to make the first woman. "For this reason," the text reads, "a man will leave his father and mother for his wife, and they shall be joined as one flesh."
MizKyGal: awesome it's pretty simple, isn't it
I think it is. Both awesome & simple it's pretty simple, isn't it
Yes there is a and only 1 Allah
RDM59: I don't laugh at this one anymore. Perhaps not a social experiment but perhaps the seed of humanity arrived on the planet by chance, courtesy of a comet. It might help explain how our brains are so vastly more advanced to that of any other animal on the planet.
Well l actually agree. I cant say whether or not l believe in God, thier are just to many unanswered questions for me. But the possability of starting off as one of many seeds/cells that arrived on earth as the result of a comet/meteor or another accidental means is more believable. From thier on its all about evolution which has and can be proven.
SCatlyn: I think it is. Both awesome & simple
May I ask, is it this clear cut simple concept that appeals to you ?
The one of "do good and be rewarded" versus "do bad and be punished".
RDM59: Yes dark matter, dark energy etc, it's all exciting stuff. The incredible advancement in science technology and quantum theory is rapidly unravelling the plot don't you think ? It's in our human nature to seek answers, and long may that continue scientifically.
I think it is exaggerated to say that the plot is getting unraveled. We are just coming up with more embracing models that bring up more problems: uncertainty about the very existence of mass within the super-simmetry theories, non-existence of dark matter in gravity field models... intractable mathematical problems in super string and brane theories, etc, etc. WE are just trying to adjust our life (or our destructive trends) with those models useful in practice for certain things but never unraveling anything in depth at all. JMO.
SCatlyn: True, about our minds being able/unable to comprehend. It is completely un-comprehendable that "the elements that create life" have always existed... Where did those elements come from? How did they just exist? How did they get there? The very existence of anything seems impossible, b/c it had to begin somewhere, yet where did that somewhere come from & when did it begin(& if I continue I'll get dizzy), but we know without a doubt things exist, of course, b/c here we are(yet we wouldn't believe it if it was told to us if we couldn't see our own existence- which of course, is another impossible situation-existing, but not seeing our existence, therefore not believing in existence-lol)
What you stated, though, is also what I mean about belief in God - when people say there can't be one, b/c it doesn't make sense, can't be proven, it's impossible, etc., neither can the fact that things somehow began, or always were, or whatever the answer too big for me to understand is. Therefore, to me, it's not a legitimate argument against the existence of God.
I can't prove that God exists, the same as another individual is unable to prove that God does not exist.
What you stated, though, is also what I mean about belief in God - when people say there can't be one, b/c it doesn't make sense, can't be proven, it's impossible, etc., neither can the fact that things somehow began, or always were, or whatever the answer too big for me to understand is. Therefore, to me, it's not a legitimate argument against the existence of God.
I can't prove that God exists, the same as another individual is unable to prove that God does not exist.
Science can't take you right back to the moment of the Big Bang and give an explanation for it's happening but it can take you very close. To just a few milliseconds after and then the various stages of the transformation of energy into matter, the formation of atoms etc.
bodleing: Of which there is overwhelming proof.
While I don't see overwhelming proof at all, just theories, that's not really what I want to ask about.Basically, the same question I posed before - these things that evolved - what did they evolve from? Where did the energy/matter come from/begin for things to then evolve from?
My reason for the question is 2-fold-
1.to see interesting answers(theories)
2.to try & point out that they can't be answered(thereby putting those questions in the same category as some of the questions posed about God that can't be answered- it doesn't mean they don't exist, just b/c it seems impossible to believe they do)
Antjo39: I think it is exaggerated to say that the plot is getting unraveled. We are just coming up with more embracing models that bring up more problems: uncertainty about the very existence of mass within the super-simmetry theories, non-existence of dark matter in gravity field models... intractable mathematical problems in super string and brane theories, etc, etc.
WE are just trying to adjust our life (or our destructive trends) with those models useful in practice for certain things but never unraveling anything in depth at all. JMO.
WE are just trying to adjust our life (or our destructive trends) with those models useful in practice for certain things but never unraveling anything in depth at all. JMO.
The can of worms is just starting to open I agree and there is a very very long way to go, perhaps during the existence of humanity we will never get the answers but they must be there. The ball has started rolling in the right direction, that's the main thing IMO.
I am atheist but all that stuff of the Big Bang is pure speculation. There are not mathematical models proving all that stuff just some empirical indirect evidence. Big Bang is an explanatory hypothesis, accepted because it is useful.
if you have a child and he does something bad, would not you punish him/her. in the eyes of god we are his children and if we do bad things in life. he will punish us. god does not force us to know him he gave us a free will to do as we want.it is simple all he want's is for us to believe in him. it is really up to us.
RDM59: The can of worms is just starting to open I agree and there is a very very long way to go, perhaps during the existence of humanity we will never get the answers but they must be there. The ball has started rolling in the right direction, that's the main thing IMO.
Whatever way those theories are certainly a lot more exciting and mind-boggling than studying Saint Augustine and Ignatius..
Antjo39: I am atheist but all that stuff of the Big Bang is pure speculation. There are not mathematical models proving all that stuff just some empirical indirect evidence. Big Bang is an explanatory hypothesis, accepted because it is useful.
Agree on that also, that it is just a theory but it is a very strong one considering that the universe is expanding in all directions. Reversing that motion over time brings it all back to a single point.
stringman: if you have a child and he does something bad, would not you punish him/her. in the eyes of god we are his children and if we do bad things in life. he will punish us. god does not force us to know him he gave us a free will to do as we want.it is simple all he want's is for us to believe in him. it is really up to us.
I always wonder how people know so much about what God thinks, says, wishes, plans and so on. Do they talk to him? if they do without having any apparent spiritual power, then by the logic of that statement I could also claim to have talked to him many times and say that he has told me that he is so fake in reality but so real in some minds..
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