is there a GOD (463)
This article is about the Biblical story. For other uses, see Tower of Babel (disambiguation).
The Tower of Babel by Pieter Bruegel the Elder (1563).
Engraving The Confusion of Tongues by Gustave Doré (1865).The Tower of Babel (Hebrew: ???? ???? Migdal Bavel Arabic: ??? ????? Burj Babil), according to the Book of Genesis, was an enormous tower built in the plain of Shinar (Hebrew: ?????).
According to the biblical account, a united humanity of the generations following the Great Flood, speaking a single language and migrating from the east, came to the land of Shinar, where they resolved to build a city with a tower "with its top in the heavens...lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the Earth." God came down to see what they did and said: "They are one people and have one language, and nothing will be withholden from them which they purpose to do." So God said, "Come, let us go down and confound their speech." And so God scattered them upon the face of the Earth, and confused their languages, and they left off building the city, which was called Babel "because God there confounded the language of all the Earth."(Genesis
The Tower of Babel by Pieter Bruegel the Elder (1563).
Engraving The Confusion of Tongues by Gustave Doré (1865).The Tower of Babel (Hebrew: ???? ???? Migdal Bavel Arabic: ??? ????? Burj Babil), according to the Book of Genesis, was an enormous tower built in the plain of Shinar (Hebrew: ?????).
According to the biblical account, a united humanity of the generations following the Great Flood, speaking a single language and migrating from the east, came to the land of Shinar, where they resolved to build a city with a tower "with its top in the heavens...lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the Earth." God came down to see what they did and said: "They are one people and have one language, and nothing will be withholden from them which they purpose to do." So God said, "Come, let us go down and confound their speech." And so God scattered them upon the face of the Earth, and confused their languages, and they left off building the city, which was called Babel "because God there confounded the language of all the Earth."(Genesis
cynicalorange: It's the same as asking if Godzilla exists. Both are characters from a major bit of fiction, with no proof of either ever existing.
Godzilla doesn't exist?
bodleing: Shouldn't you be giving some references for all this copy and paste?
Prob. so... just as there should be proof that the theory of evolution is actual proof of evolution.I believe it's fair to ask for proof to all posts - though there are things that no one can explain. But every time someone who believes in God posts, they are told to prove it. The same should go for those who post their belief in other things - such as: belief that evolution, big bang, etc. is how everything started, exists & "evolved".
(All I know about evolution is that the belief says simple things evolve & adapt over some vast amount of years... and the man evolved from some form of monkey, chimp, ape- I haven't had a need to study, so not sure of the correct term. The other thing I know about the theory of evolution, is that Charles Darwin himself, said it was only a theory.)
I do have a question for those who believe in evolution. Are the group of animals- apes, gorillas, monkeys, etc. that still exist, in the process of, and one day will evolve into humans as well?
reneldo: And if you were to quote a scientist I bet he'd be an atheist! Should I question the reliability of his work because he has an axe to grind against God? Guilt by association is easy to make. But you can't prove that Dr. Meyer's work or Lee Stobel's is questionable just because of their religious persuasion anymore than I can claim that other scientists are twisting the facts because they are evolutionists. What you must do is look at the vidence.
Do any scientist (atheists included) deny that DNA contains the blueprint for the whole human body? Do they deny it ocntains the information for the brain, which is, the most complex machine there is? No! They don't deny these things. They may draw different conclusions about what the information means, bt they don't deny these facts in themselves. It is up to you to draw your own conclusion from the evidence.
Since you are an atheist, or agnostic, I don't know, I suppose I must think you are lying when you claim this or that, but I am not that petty. I don't play the gilt by association card; I deal with the evidence.
Do any scientist (atheists included) deny that DNA contains the blueprint for the whole human body? Do they deny it ocntains the information for the brain, which is, the most complex machine there is? No! They don't deny these things. They may draw different conclusions about what the information means, bt they don't deny these facts in themselves. It is up to you to draw your own conclusion from the evidence.
Since you are an atheist, or agnostic, I don't know, I suppose I must think you are lying when you claim this or that, but I am not that petty. I don't play the gilt by association card; I deal with the evidence.
Your posts simply deal in opinion, they contain no evidence whatsoever. You have just cut and pasted other people's opinions some of whom have repeatedly changed their position.
Remember Scientists write papers in which they publish their data. If their work is not repeatable or if their data is not reliable their work is dismissed. If you read a scientific paper you would see endless references to many other pieces of Scientific work. The faith persuation or political background of a research scientist has no influence on their published papers.
Sunnydaze14: with a grunt? then maybe an elongated grunt?
In my opinion, no. I believe in God... therefore my opinion of no.But language is complicated, and I would like to see some theories or facts on how language began, if anyone cares to give an opinion.
SCatlyn: Can anyone explain how anything ever came to be? Where did it start and how? Whatever it started from, how did that thing itself start? Sounds like a wild story.... just like Godzilla... only nobody can deny it, even though they can't explain it.
It would be nice to hear answers from those who don't believe in God - to show PROOF of their particular beliefs as well. It shouldn't be all one-sided. Some have said the theory of evolution proves it... but the proof you say exists needs to be posted. Otherwise, how do we know there is such proof? If it exists, and you know about it, it shouldn't be hard to post it here.
It would be nice to hear answers from those who don't believe in God - to show PROOF of their particular beliefs as well. It shouldn't be all one-sided. Some have said the theory of evolution proves it... but the proof you say exists needs to be posted. Otherwise, how do we know there is such proof? If it exists, and you know about it, it shouldn't be hard to post it here.
i have no beliefs just explanations for how life came to be (though not complete)
reneldo: Some humans can speak many languages. I know a girl who speaks 8 languages. What's so amusing about a multilingual creator?
Why would he/her/it dole out different languages?
If a 'creator' gave us language, why are there so many?
It would seem to me that the very diversity of language disproves your suggestion entirely.
Amazing revelations about DNA
As scientists began to decode the human DNA molecule, they found something quite unexpected—an exquisite 'language' composed of some 3 billion genetic letters. "One of the most extraordinary discoveries of the twentieth century," says Dr. Stephen Meyer, director of the Center for Science and Culture at the Discovery Institute in Seattle, Wash., "was that DNA actually stores information—the detailed instructions for assembling proteins—in the form of a four-character digital code" (quoted by Lee Strobel, The Case for a Creator, 2004, p. 224). quote]
The genetic code is not a true code; it is more of a cypher. DNA is a sequence of four different bases (denoted A, C, G, and T) along a backbone. When DNA gets translated to protein, triplets of bases (codons) get converted sequentially to the amino acids that make up the protein, with some codons acting as a "stop" marker. The mapping from codon to amino acid is arbitrary (not completely arbitrary, but close enough for purposes of argument). However, that one mapping step -- from 64 possible codons to 20 amino acids and a stop signal -- is the only arbitrariness in the genetic code. The protein itself is a physical object whose function is determined by its physical properties.
Furthermore, DNA gets used for more than making proteins. Much DNA is transcribed directly to functional RNA. Other DNA acts to regulate genetic processes. The physical properties of the DNA and RNA, not any arbitrary meanings, determine how they act.
An essential property of language is that any word can refer to any object. That is not true in genetics. The genetic code which maps codons to proteins could be changed, but doing so would change the meaning of all sequences that code for proteins, and it could not create arbitrary new meanings for all DNA sequences. Genetics is not true language.
The word frequencies of all natural languages follow a power law (Zipf's Law). DNA does not follow this pattern (Tsonis et al. 1997).
Language, although symbolic, is still material. For a word to have meaning, the link between the word and its meaning has to be recorded somewhere, usually in people's brains, books, and/or computer memories. Without this material manifestation, language cannot work.
As scientists began to decode the human DNA molecule, they found something quite unexpected—an exquisite 'language' composed of some 3 billion genetic letters. "One of the most extraordinary discoveries of the twentieth century," says Dr. Stephen Meyer, director of the Center for Science and Culture at the Discovery Institute in Seattle, Wash., "was that DNA actually stores information—the detailed instructions for assembling proteins—in the form of a four-character digital code" (quoted by Lee Strobel, The Case for a Creator, 2004, p. 224). quote]
The genetic code is not a true code; it is more of a cypher. DNA is a sequence of four different bases (denoted A, C, G, and T) along a backbone. When DNA gets translated to protein, triplets of bases (codons) get converted sequentially to the amino acids that make up the protein, with some codons acting as a "stop" marker. The mapping from codon to amino acid is arbitrary (not completely arbitrary, but close enough for purposes of argument). However, that one mapping step -- from 64 possible codons to 20 amino acids and a stop signal -- is the only arbitrariness in the genetic code. The protein itself is a physical object whose function is determined by its physical properties.
Furthermore, DNA gets used for more than making proteins. Much DNA is transcribed directly to functional RNA. Other DNA acts to regulate genetic processes. The physical properties of the DNA and RNA, not any arbitrary meanings, determine how they act.
An essential property of language is that any word can refer to any object. That is not true in genetics. The genetic code which maps codons to proteins could be changed, but doing so would change the meaning of all sequences that code for proteins, and it could not create arbitrary new meanings for all DNA sequences. Genetics is not true language.
The word frequencies of all natural languages follow a power law (Zipf's Law). DNA does not follow this pattern (Tsonis et al. 1997).
Language, although symbolic, is still material. For a word to have meaning, the link between the word and its meaning has to be recorded somewhere, usually in people's brains, books, and/or computer memories. Without this material manifestation, language cannot work.
This article is about the Biblical story. For other uses, see Tower of Babel (disambiguation).
The Tower of Babel by Pieter Bruegel the Elder (1563).
Engraving The Confusion of Tongues by Gustave Doré (1865).The Tower of Babel (Hebrew: ???? ???? Migdal Bavel Arabic: ??? ????? Burj Babil), according to the Book of Genesis, was an enormous tower built in the plain of Shinar (Hebrew: ?????).
According to the biblical account, a united humanity of the generations following the Great Flood, speaking a single language and migrating from the east, came to the land of Shinar, where they resolved to build a city with a tower "with its top in the heavens...lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the Earth." God came down to see what they did and said: "They are one people and have one language, and nothing will be withholden from them which they purpose to do." So God said, "Come, let us go down and confound their speech." And so God scattered them upon the face of the Earth, and confused their languages, and they left off building the city, which was called Babel "because God there confounded the language of all the Earth."(Genesis
The Tower of Babel by Pieter Bruegel the Elder (1563).
Engraving The Confusion of Tongues by Gustave Doré (1865).The Tower of Babel (Hebrew: ???? ???? Migdal Bavel Arabic: ??? ????? Burj Babil), according to the Book of Genesis, was an enormous tower built in the plain of Shinar (Hebrew: ?????).
According to the biblical account, a united humanity of the generations following the Great Flood, speaking a single language and migrating from the east, came to the land of Shinar, where they resolved to build a city with a tower "with its top in the heavens...lest we be scattered abroad upon the face of the Earth." God came down to see what they did and said: "They are one people and have one language, and nothing will be withholden from them which they purpose to do." So God said, "Come, let us go down and confound their speech." And so God scattered them upon the face of the Earth, and confused their languages, and they left off building the city, which was called Babel "because God there confounded the language of all the Earth."(Genesis
theoldestdear: A) The DNA evidence compiled in the '90s so richly and accurately met the many predictions of common descent with modification that biological scientists like Behe and Denton (whom you quote) no longer found it possible to persist with their opposition to common descent.
B) Denton in particular committed a complete about-turn once the full molecular evidence was in. His position transformed from "Evolution is impossible", to "Evolution is an inevitable and perfectly designed result of God's plan". Michael Denton's 1985 book, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis, inspired Phillip Johnson to create the modern ID movement in the early '90s. Denton's later (2002) book, Nature's Destiny, abandoned his earlier argument and basically conceded the whole story of evolution, arguing instead that the way the universe was designed made evolution inevitable - although interestingly, apparently he never once mentioned his earlier book in his later book.
B) Denton in particular committed a complete about-turn once the full molecular evidence was in. His position transformed from "Evolution is impossible", to "Evolution is an inevitable and perfectly designed result of God's plan". Michael Denton's 1985 book, Evolution: A Theory in Crisis, inspired Phillip Johnson to create the modern ID movement in the early '90s. Denton's later (2002) book, Nature's Destiny, abandoned his earlier argument and basically conceded the whole story of evolution, arguing instead that the way the universe was designed made evolution inevitable - although interestingly, apparently he never once mentioned his earlier book in his later book.
Attacking people doesn't disprove their evidence, evidence you will not deal with. Do you agree or disagree that DNA conatains all the information necessary to create a human being? Is it true that a complete human being begins with a single cell? If so, isn't it also true that programmins information is necessary for each set of proteins and other organisms to know their role in the process? Isn't it true that signals are transferred from on department to the other, and it is read and understood so that chemical reactions can take place in the body? I could go on, but all this invovles specific instuctions in the process. You have not answered me about the origin of such information. Chance?
bodleing: Why would he/her/it dole out different languages?
If a 'creator' gave us language, why are there so many?
It would seem to me that the very diversity of language disproves your suggestion entirely.
If a 'creator' gave us language, why are there so many?
It would seem to me that the very diversity of language disproves your suggestion entirely.
A wife's doesn't know why her husband wanted children from other women, so she concludes that her husband didn't exist; you don't know why God made many langages so you conclude that he doesn't exist. Wow, what reasoning! Because you don't understand someone's reasons for their actions, that proves they do not exist.
I don't know how you can look up at the stars at night and not believe their is a God; so I guess you don't exist either??????? What reasoning, yeah...So, if there was only one language, then you would believe in God?
reneldo: Attacking people doesn't disprove their evidence, evidence you will not deal with.
post the evidence and not the opinion and then i will deal with it
reneldo: A wife's doesn't know why her husband wanted children from other women, so she concludes that her husband didn't exist; you don't know why God made many langages so you conclude that he doesn't exist. Wow, what reasoning! Because you don't understand someone's reasons for their actions, that proves they do not exist. I don't know how you can look up at the stars at night and not believe their is a God; so I guess you don't exist either??????? What reasoning, yeah...
So, if there was only one language, then you would believe in God?
So, if there was only one language, then you would believe in God?
Where did I say I didn't believe there is a god?
theoldestdear: post the evidence and not the opinion and then i will deal with it
Cells are largely made of proteins, so new proteins are constantly needed to maintain cells, to make new cells, and to facilitate chemical reactions within cells. The instructions needed for producing proteins are contained in the DNA (deoxyribonucleic acid) molecules.
DNA molecules reside in the cell nucleus. In addition to carrying instructions necessary for the production of proteins, DNA stores and transmits genetic information from one generation of cells to the next. The shape of DNA molecules resembles a twisted rope ladder (termed a “double helix”). Each of the two strands in the DNA ladder consists of a vast number of smaller parts called nucleotides, which exist in one of four types: adenine (A), guanine (G), cytosine (C), and thymine (T). With this DNA “alphabet,” a pair of letters—either A with T or G with C—form one rung in the double-helix ladder. The ladder contains thousands of genes, the basic units of heredity.
A gene holds the information needed to build a protein. The sequence of letters in the gene forms a coded message, or blueprint, that tells what kind of protein should be built. Hence, the DNA, with all its subunits, is the master molecule of life. Without its coded instructions, diverse proteins could not exist—thus no life.
This in itself is meaningful information. Only minds produce meaningful information. Letters do not form words by chance.
OMG 
Do I need to prove again on CS that God does Exist? B right back! 
Do I need to prove again on CS that God does Exist? B right back! bodleing: Where did I say I didn't believe there is a god?
ohhh? sorry i misunderstood ur post...
reneldo: Do you agree or disagree that DNA conatains all the information necessary to create a human being?
disagree - Nature and nurture - You can possess the information in your DNA for a characteristic but not have the resources to make it
Is it true that a complete human being begins with a single cell? YES it is called a Zygote
If so, isn't it also true that programmins information is necessary for each set of proteins and other organisms to know their role in the process?
I do not really understand this question but there is no "programme" and molecules within living systems do not "know" anything. They move around both in and outside of cells randomly
Isn't it true that signals are transferred from on department to the other, and it is read and understood so that chemical reactions can take place in the body?
YES but such "messages" are molecules that move either by mass flow or diffusion. "Communication" occurs through molecules which collide and have complementary shapes
I could go on, but all this invovles specific instuctions in the process.
No it does not
You have not answered me about the origin of such information. Chance?
Yes, why not
disagree - Nature and nurture - You can possess the information in your DNA for a characteristic but not have the resources to make it
Is it true that a complete human being begins with a single cell? YES it is called a Zygote
If so, isn't it also true that programmins information is necessary for each set of proteins and other organisms to know their role in the process?
I do not really understand this question but there is no "programme" and molecules within living systems do not "know" anything. They move around both in and outside of cells randomly
Isn't it true that signals are transferred from on department to the other, and it is read and understood so that chemical reactions can take place in the body?
YES but such "messages" are molecules that move either by mass flow or diffusion. "Communication" occurs through molecules which collide and have complementary shapes
I could go on, but all this invovles specific instuctions in the process.
No it does not
You have not answered me about the origin of such information. Chance?
Yes, why not
OK, He does exist. See for yourself. Watch this short clip form Animal House through to its end. 
galrads: OK, He does exist. See for yourself. Watch this short clip form Animal House through to its end.
galrads: OK, He does exist. See for yourself. Watch this short clip form Animal House through to its end.
that wud convince even that hardest skeptic
Since the blueprint for building a protein is stored in the nucleus of the cell and the actual site for building proteins is outside the nucleus, help is needed to get the coded blueprint from the nucleus to the “building site.” RNA (ribonucleic acid) molecules provide this help. RNA molecules are chemically similar to those of DNA, and several forms of RNA are needed to do the job. Take a closer look at these extremely complex processes for making our vital proteins with the help of RNA.
Work starts in the cell’s nucleus, where a section of the DNA ladder unzips. This allows RNA letters to link to the exposed DNA letters of one of the DNA strands. An enzyme moves along the RNA letters to join them into a strand. Thus DNA letters are transcribed into RNA letters, forming what you might call a DNA dialect. The newly formed chain of RNA peels away, and the DNA ladder zips up again.
After further modification, this particular type of message-carrying RNA is ready. It moves out of the nucleus and heads for the protein-production site, where the RNA letters are decoded. Each set of three RNA letters forms a “word” that calls for one specific amino acid. Another form of RNA looks for that amino acid, grabs it with the help of an enzyme, and tows it to the “construction site.” As the RNA sentence is being read and translated, a growing chain of amino acids is produced. This chain curls and folds into a unique shape, leading to one kind of protein. And there may well be over 50,000 kinds in our body.
Even this process of protein folding is significant. In 1996, scientists around the world, “armed with their best computer programs, competed to solve one of the most complex problems in biology: how a single protein, made from a long string of amino acids, folds itself into the intricate shape that determines the role it plays in life. . . . The result, succinctly put, was this: the computers lost and the proteins won. . . . Scientists have estimated that for an average-sized protein, made from 100 amino acids, solving the folding problem by trying every possibility would take 1027 (a billion billion billion) years.”—The New York Times.
YOu can deny it all you want, but its soooo true.
Work starts in the cell’s nucleus, where a section of the DNA ladder unzips. This allows RNA letters to link to the exposed DNA letters of one of the DNA strands. An enzyme moves along the RNA letters to join them into a strand. Thus DNA letters are transcribed into RNA letters, forming what you might call a DNA dialect. The newly formed chain of RNA peels away, and the DNA ladder zips up again.
After further modification, this particular type of message-carrying RNA is ready. It moves out of the nucleus and heads for the protein-production site, where the RNA letters are decoded. Each set of three RNA letters forms a “word” that calls for one specific amino acid. Another form of RNA looks for that amino acid, grabs it with the help of an enzyme, and tows it to the “construction site.” As the RNA sentence is being read and translated, a growing chain of amino acids is produced. This chain curls and folds into a unique shape, leading to one kind of protein. And there may well be over 50,000 kinds in our body.
Even this process of protein folding is significant. In 1996, scientists around the world, “armed with their best computer programs, competed to solve one of the most complex problems in biology: how a single protein, made from a long string of amino acids, folds itself into the intricate shape that determines the role it plays in life. . . . The result, succinctly put, was this: the computers lost and the proteins won. . . . Scientists have estimated that for an average-sized protein, made from 100 amino acids, solving the folding problem by trying every possibility would take 1027 (a billion billion billion) years.”—The New York Times.
YOu can deny it all you want, but its soooo true.
reneldo: Since the blueprint for building a protein is stored in the nucleus of the cell and the actual site for building proteins is outside the nucleus, help is needed to get the coded blueprint from the nucleus to the “building site.” RNA (ribonucleic acid) molecules provide this help. RNA molecules are chemically similar to those of DNA, and several forms of RNA are needed to do the job. Take a closer look at these extremely complex processes for making our vital proteins with the help of RNA.
Work starts in the cell’s nucleus, where a section of the DNA ladder unzips. This allows RNA letters to link to the exposed DNA letters of one of the DNA strands. An enzyme moves along the RNA letters to join them into a strand. Thus DNA letters are transcribed into RNA letters, forming what you might call a DNA dialect. The newly formed chain of RNA peels away, and the DNA ladder zips up again.
After further modification, this particular type of message-carrying RNA is ready. It moves out of the nucleus and heads for the protein-production site, where the RNA letters are decoded. Each set of three RNA letters forms a “word” that calls for one specific amino acid. Another form of RNA looks for that amino acid, grabs it with the help of an enzyme, and tows it to the “construction site.” As the RNA sentence is being read and translated, a growing chain of amino acids is produced. This chain curls and folds into a unique shape, leading to one kind of protein. And there may well be over 50,000 kinds in our body.
Even this process of protein folding is significant. In 1996, scientists around the world, “armed with their best computer programs, competed to solve one of the most complex problems in biology: how a single protein, made from a long string of amino acids, folds itself into the intricate shape that determines the role it plays in life. . . . The result, succinctly put, was this: the computers lost and the proteins won. . . . Scientists have estimated that for an average-sized protein, made from 100 amino acids, solving the folding problem by trying every possibility would take 1027 (a billion billion billion) years.”—The New York Times.
YOu can deny it all you want, but its soooo true.
Work starts in the cell’s nucleus, where a section of the DNA ladder unzips. This allows RNA letters to link to the exposed DNA letters of one of the DNA strands. An enzyme moves along the RNA letters to join them into a strand. Thus DNA letters are transcribed into RNA letters, forming what you might call a DNA dialect. The newly formed chain of RNA peels away, and the DNA ladder zips up again.
After further modification, this particular type of message-carrying RNA is ready. It moves out of the nucleus and heads for the protein-production site, where the RNA letters are decoded. Each set of three RNA letters forms a “word” that calls for one specific amino acid. Another form of RNA looks for that amino acid, grabs it with the help of an enzyme, and tows it to the “construction site.” As the RNA sentence is being read and translated, a growing chain of amino acids is produced. This chain curls and folds into a unique shape, leading to one kind of protein. And there may well be over 50,000 kinds in our body.
Even this process of protein folding is significant. In 1996, scientists around the world, “armed with their best computer programs, competed to solve one of the most complex problems in biology: how a single protein, made from a long string of amino acids, folds itself into the intricate shape that determines the role it plays in life. . . . The result, succinctly put, was this: the computers lost and the proteins won. . . . Scientists have estimated that for an average-sized protein, made from 100 amino acids, solving the folding problem by trying every possibility would take 1027 (a billion billion billion) years.”—The New York Times.
YOu can deny it all you want, but its soooo true.
What is so true?
reneldo: In 1996, scientists around the world, “armed with their best computer programs, competed to solve one of the most complex problems in biology: how a single protein, made from a long string of amino acids, folds itself into the intricate shape that determines the role it plays in life. . . . The result, succinctly put, was this: the computers lost and the proteins won. . . . Scientists have estimated that for an average-sized protein, made from 100 amino acids, solving the folding problem by trying every possibility would take 1027 (a billion billion billion) years.”—The New York Times.
YOu can deny it all you want, but its soooo true.
YOu can deny it all you want, but its soooo true.
it is always worthwhile reading the whole article
theoldestdear: it is always worthwhile reading the whole articlehttp://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html?res=9407E6DA103BF936A15750C0A961958260&pagewanted=all
You are the one who told me to read the whole article, here is what it says:
In a living cell, the folding process is helped along by auxiliary molecules called chaperones. But scientists have shown that in a test tube, an unfolded protein can spontaneously knot up into the proper shape, entirely on its own. Thus many believe that all the information for folding is contained in the amino acid sequence, and they are determined to ferret it out.
And you disagreed that it doesn't contain complex, specific information? Wonder who put that information there? Informationn is a product of the mind. Can you define information please? The article also says:
Scientists have estimated that for an average-sized protein, made from 100 amino acids, solving the folding problem by trying every possibility would take 1027 (a billion billion billion) years.
Isn't that a bit too long for the evolutionary model? No problem when we see its made that way by God. He took the shortcut. ha hahaha
Oblivious to this argument, very long proteins, consisting of thousands of amino acids, fold up by themselves in minutes; shorter ones, with tens or hundreds of amino acids, fold in a second or less.
A second? Traverse through those possible ocmbinations in a second? No way! But, all things are possible with God. What did the mathmetician conclude? " nature might be somehow more powerful than a digital computer."
Metaphorically, the process is like a marble rolling through a hilly landscape, randomly trying various paths until it comes to rest at the bottom. In a similar way, a protein tries out many different arrangements until it settles into a stable form. But what is simple for proteins is difficult for scientists. Predicting how a chain of amino acids will fold overwhelms the most powerful computers
Wow, who should I believe? That random chance and narual selection found a way for a protein to try so many combinations in seconds? Or that God created the protein to do a specific job and it doesn't without having to try needless amounts of combination. Go figure...
swade777: There most certainly is a GOD, and regardless if people want to believe it or not, every living soul will face that God either in judgement for eternal damnation, or acceptance into His Eternal Kingdom because of their willful faith in trusting Him and His Only Begotten Son (The Lord Jesus Christ - Who is GOD in the flesh).
Is ETERNITY worth gambling on, when a simple step towards accepting Christ as your personal Lord and Savior in faith is all it takes to change that eternal destination?
Is ETERNITY worth gambling on, when a simple step towards accepting Christ as your personal Lord and Savior in faith is all it takes to change that eternal destination?
Amen... Salvation is personal and I choose to follow Jesus!!
Nina2000: Amen... Salvation is personal and I choose to follow Jesus!!
AMEN and AMEN...btw, did i say AMEN?
PART I
swade777;
There most certainly is a GOD, and regardless if people want to believe it or not, every living soul will face that God either in judgement for eternal damnation, or acceptance into His Eternal Kingdom because of their willful faith in trusting Him and His Only Begotten Son (The Lord Jesus Christ - Who is GOD in the flesh).
Is ETERNITY worth gambling on, when a simple step towards accepting Christ as your personal Lord and Savior in faith is all it takes to change that eternal destination?
mip133;SAID:you got it right.
THE ANSWER TO YOU:
YOU BOTH;mip133 and swade777; YOU GOT IT WRONG!AND SO WRONG!
THERE IS GOD AND HE IS ONLY ETERNAL,AND HELL IS NOT ETERNAL THAT DEVILS LOVE SO TO BE!!!FOR GOD IS LOVE AND NOT THE HATE FOREVER!
The answer to you :YOU BOTH GOT IT WRONG ,THERE IS GOD BUT YOU UNDERSTOOD SO WRONG WITH ETERNAL DAMNATION YOU SAID,AND ACCEPTANCE INTO HIS ETERNAL KINGDOM BY BELIEVING ONLY,MEAN:( WITHOUT OBEYING HIS LAW,)BUT HOPE TO BE SAVED BY GRACE ALONE WITHOUT LAW,AND THAT GOD WAS IN THE FLESH.
1.GOD IS LOVE, GOD IS ONLY WHO IS ETERNAL,AND SO HELL IS NOT ETERNAL,BUT A LIMITED TIME AND NOT FOREVER,LIKE THIS IMPERFECT WORLD IS FOR A LIMITED TIME,AND NOT ETERNAL.SO WHEN JESUS COME, THIS IMPERFECT WORLD WILL END.
AND SO WHEN LAW OF GOD IS BROUGHT IN HELL TO SAVE ALL MEN,THEN HELL WILL NOT EXIST ANY MORE,FOR HELL IS NOT ETERNAL!
BECAUSE GOD IS LOVE AND NOT THE HATE FOREVER.
THEREFORE JOHN BAPTIST WITNESSED TOO:WHEN SAID:BEHOLD LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKE AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD.
AND SO JESUS ALSO SAID:WHEN I AM LIFTED ON CROSS, I WILL DRAW ALL MEN TO MYSELF.
SO JESUS CAME TO SAVE ALL MEN AND THINGS THAT SINED AND NOT AS YOU SAY;TO SAVE ONLY BELIEVERS AND OTHERS TO SEND IN HELL FOREVER.
2.THERE IS NO SALVATION WITHOUT THE LAW OF GOD THAT PROTESTANT CHRISTIANS AND OTHERS BELIEVE TO BE SAVED WITH GRACE ONLY WITHOUT LAW.AND SO THEY DISOBEY THE LAW.AND SO JESUS SAID I CAME NOT TO ABOLISH THE LAW NOR TO DESTROY BUT TO FULFILLED.
SO GRACE IS IN THE LAW AND WITHOUT LAW IS NO GRACE WHATSOEVER,AND SO NO SALVATION.FOR ALL THINGS ARE CREATED FROM THE LAW.THEREFORE WITHOUT LAW;YOU HAVE NO GOD AND NO LOVE FOR YOUR NEIGHBOURS :FOR THE LAW SAID:LOVE GOD WITH ALL HEART,SPIRIT,STRENGTH AND MIND:AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOURS AS YOUR SELF! AND SO YOU DON,T LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOURS AS YOUR SELF;AS CHRISTIANS YOU ARE!!!BUT LOVE THEM TO BE IN HELL ETERNALLY OR FOREVER,BECAUSE THEY WHO DON,T BELIEVE AS YOU BELIEVE,YOU THINK ARE GOING IN HELL FOREVER!SO YOU ARE WRONG!!!SO WRONG!!!
FOR JESUS SAID:LOVE YOUR ENEMIES AND DO GOOD TO THEM THAT HATE YOU.FOR IF THEY ARE GOING IN HELL FOREVER AS YOU SAY:THEN JESUS WORDS WOULD BE WRONG,WHEN HE SAID;LOVE YOUR ENEMIES...!
WHY HE SAID SO???
BECAUSE GOD IS LOVE, AND YOUR ENEMIES ONE DAY WILL BE SAVED FROM SIN AND HELL,AND SO THEY WILL BE YOUR TRUE FRIENDS AND NEIGHBOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THATS WHY JESUS SAID;LOVE YOUR ENEMIES!!!
FOR THEY ARE NOT FOREVER ENEMIES,BUT YOUR BROTHERS THAT GOD CREATED SAME AS YOU ARE CREATED.AND SO THIS IS PROOF THAT HELL IS NOT FOREVER,NOR THOSE ENEMIES OF YOU,WHO BELIEVE NOT AS YOU BELIEVE,THEY ARE NOT GOING IN HELL FOREVER,THEY ARE YOUR NEIGHBOURS THAT YOU NEED TO LOVE,AS JESUS SAID SO TO LOVE YOUR ENEMIES!SO THATS WHY JOHN BAPTIST SAID;BEHOLD LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKE AWAY SINS OF THE WORLD.so is not only believers that are going to be saved,but all the world;those who sined!!!
swade777;
There most certainly is a GOD, and regardless if people want to believe it or not, every living soul will face that God either in judgement for eternal damnation, or acceptance into His Eternal Kingdom because of their willful faith in trusting Him and His Only Begotten Son (The Lord Jesus Christ - Who is GOD in the flesh).
Is ETERNITY worth gambling on, when a simple step towards accepting Christ as your personal Lord and Savior in faith is all it takes to change that eternal destination?
mip133;SAID:you got it right.
THE ANSWER TO YOU:
YOU BOTH;mip133 and swade777; YOU GOT IT WRONG!AND SO WRONG!
THERE IS GOD AND HE IS ONLY ETERNAL,AND HELL IS NOT ETERNAL THAT DEVILS LOVE SO TO BE!!!FOR GOD IS LOVE AND NOT THE HATE FOREVER!
The answer to you :YOU BOTH GOT IT WRONG ,THERE IS GOD BUT YOU UNDERSTOOD SO WRONG WITH ETERNAL DAMNATION YOU SAID,AND ACCEPTANCE INTO HIS ETERNAL KINGDOM BY BELIEVING ONLY,MEAN:( WITHOUT OBEYING HIS LAW,)BUT HOPE TO BE SAVED BY GRACE ALONE WITHOUT LAW,AND THAT GOD WAS IN THE FLESH.
1.GOD IS LOVE, GOD IS ONLY WHO IS ETERNAL,AND SO HELL IS NOT ETERNAL,BUT A LIMITED TIME AND NOT FOREVER,LIKE THIS IMPERFECT WORLD IS FOR A LIMITED TIME,AND NOT ETERNAL.SO WHEN JESUS COME, THIS IMPERFECT WORLD WILL END.
AND SO WHEN LAW OF GOD IS BROUGHT IN HELL TO SAVE ALL MEN,THEN HELL WILL NOT EXIST ANY MORE,FOR HELL IS NOT ETERNAL!
BECAUSE GOD IS LOVE AND NOT THE HATE FOREVER.
THEREFORE JOHN BAPTIST WITNESSED TOO:WHEN SAID:BEHOLD LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKE AWAY THE SINS OF THE WORLD.
AND SO JESUS ALSO SAID:WHEN I AM LIFTED ON CROSS, I WILL DRAW ALL MEN TO MYSELF.
SO JESUS CAME TO SAVE ALL MEN AND THINGS THAT SINED AND NOT AS YOU SAY;TO SAVE ONLY BELIEVERS AND OTHERS TO SEND IN HELL FOREVER.
2.THERE IS NO SALVATION WITHOUT THE LAW OF GOD THAT PROTESTANT CHRISTIANS AND OTHERS BELIEVE TO BE SAVED WITH GRACE ONLY WITHOUT LAW.AND SO THEY DISOBEY THE LAW.AND SO JESUS SAID I CAME NOT TO ABOLISH THE LAW NOR TO DESTROY BUT TO FULFILLED.
SO GRACE IS IN THE LAW AND WITHOUT LAW IS NO GRACE WHATSOEVER,AND SO NO SALVATION.FOR ALL THINGS ARE CREATED FROM THE LAW.THEREFORE WITHOUT LAW;YOU HAVE NO GOD AND NO LOVE FOR YOUR NEIGHBOURS :FOR THE LAW SAID:LOVE GOD WITH ALL HEART,SPIRIT,STRENGTH AND MIND:AND LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOURS AS YOUR SELF! AND SO YOU DON,T LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOURS AS YOUR SELF;AS CHRISTIANS YOU ARE!!!BUT LOVE THEM TO BE IN HELL ETERNALLY OR FOREVER,BECAUSE THEY WHO DON,T BELIEVE AS YOU BELIEVE,YOU THINK ARE GOING IN HELL FOREVER!SO YOU ARE WRONG!!!SO WRONG!!!
FOR JESUS SAID:LOVE YOUR ENEMIES AND DO GOOD TO THEM THAT HATE YOU.FOR IF THEY ARE GOING IN HELL FOREVER AS YOU SAY:THEN JESUS WORDS WOULD BE WRONG,WHEN HE SAID;LOVE YOUR ENEMIES...!
WHY HE SAID SO???
BECAUSE GOD IS LOVE, AND YOUR ENEMIES ONE DAY WILL BE SAVED FROM SIN AND HELL,AND SO THEY WILL BE YOUR TRUE FRIENDS AND NEIGHBOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
THATS WHY JESUS SAID;LOVE YOUR ENEMIES!!!
FOR THEY ARE NOT FOREVER ENEMIES,BUT YOUR BROTHERS THAT GOD CREATED SAME AS YOU ARE CREATED.AND SO THIS IS PROOF THAT HELL IS NOT FOREVER,NOR THOSE ENEMIES OF YOU,WHO BELIEVE NOT AS YOU BELIEVE,THEY ARE NOT GOING IN HELL FOREVER,THEY ARE YOUR NEIGHBOURS THAT YOU NEED TO LOVE,AS JESUS SAID SO TO LOVE YOUR ENEMIES!SO THATS WHY JOHN BAPTIST SAID;BEHOLD LAMB OF GOD WHO TAKE AWAY SINS OF THE WORLD.so is not only believers that are going to be saved,but all the world;those who sined!!!
PART II
3.AND GOD WAS IN THE FLESH, YOU SAID;YOU ARE SO SO SO.....WRONG!!!
GOD IS SPIRIT AND NEVER IS THE FLESH,FLESH IS SINFUL AND EVIL,BUT SPIRIT IS TRUTH IN MAN.AND SO GOD CAME NOT TO BE FLESH OF SIN,BUT IS JESUS THE SON OF GOD WHO CAME IN FLESH ;THROUGH VIRGIN MARY,THAT HE TO DESTROY THE WORKS OF FLESH,THE WORKS OF SIN AND EVIL,AND SO TO CLEAN THE FLESH FROM SIN AND MAKE HOLY AS IS THE SPIRIT HOLY IN MAN.SO GOD NEVER IS FLESH OF SIN IN MAN,BUT GOD WAS IN SPIRIT OF JESUS,AND JESUS WAS AS SON OF GOD, THAT CAME IN THE FLESH:NOT TO BE SINFUL FLESH,BUT TO BE SEEN IN FLESH,BECAUSE HE IS INVISIBLE AS SPIRIT,SO HE CAME IN FLESH AND HIS FLESH IS HOLY BUT FLESH OF MAN IS SINFUL AND EVIL.so it said:in your bible;too,was The word of God:Jesus,that came in the flesh,and not GOD ,GOD IS SPIRIT AND NEVER WAS IN FLESH OF SIN OF MAN.
SO NOW YOU GOT IT RIGHT!!! THAT ALL YOU SAID WAS WRONG, AND YOU GOT IT WRONG!!!BUT NOW FROM THIS I SAID: YOU GOT IT RIGHT AND TRUE .
NICE DAY!!!
3.AND GOD WAS IN THE FLESH, YOU SAID;YOU ARE SO SO SO.....WRONG!!!
GOD IS SPIRIT AND NEVER IS THE FLESH,FLESH IS SINFUL AND EVIL,BUT SPIRIT IS TRUTH IN MAN.AND SO GOD CAME NOT TO BE FLESH OF SIN,BUT IS JESUS THE SON OF GOD WHO CAME IN FLESH ;THROUGH VIRGIN MARY,THAT HE TO DESTROY THE WORKS OF FLESH,THE WORKS OF SIN AND EVIL,AND SO TO CLEAN THE FLESH FROM SIN AND MAKE HOLY AS IS THE SPIRIT HOLY IN MAN.SO GOD NEVER IS FLESH OF SIN IN MAN,BUT GOD WAS IN SPIRIT OF JESUS,AND JESUS WAS AS SON OF GOD, THAT CAME IN THE FLESH:NOT TO BE SINFUL FLESH,BUT TO BE SEEN IN FLESH,BECAUSE HE IS INVISIBLE AS SPIRIT,SO HE CAME IN FLESH AND HIS FLESH IS HOLY BUT FLESH OF MAN IS SINFUL AND EVIL.so it said:in your bible;too,was The word of God:Jesus,that came in the flesh,and not GOD ,GOD IS SPIRIT AND NEVER WAS IN FLESH OF SIN OF MAN.
SO NOW YOU GOT IT RIGHT!!! THAT ALL YOU SAID WAS WRONG, AND YOU GOT IT WRONG!!!BUT NOW FROM THIS I SAID: YOU GOT IT RIGHT AND TRUE .
NICE DAY!!!
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What I mean is, how did language - 1 language - the very 1st spoken word - begin?
with a grunt? then maybe an elongated grunt?