The States is different from Europe - the States (if we forget about the indigenous Indians there) was a new country/territory, it was created and built by many different nations. On the other hand Europe is not a new country that needs developing - Europe is a well functioning collection of states - each with their own characteristics, but also with shared values.
Because of political correctness and a kind of hatred for everything Christian/white, new-comers do not face any requirements they have to meet, nor consequences for not "blending" like you said. Instead of creating a "multicultural" society (which Europe in fact has always been with all different nations and their cultures) what we (or our beloved politicians) have created are parallel societies. Our values and our way of life and what generations have created are under threat, as for a society to function properly (unlike the States, European countries do have welfare system) its population has to share the values.
I had a problem with the verb "assimilate" because as far as I know it is the last stage in adopting the host's values, culture....I think it goes from "adapt", "integrate" to assimilate (not different from the original local population in any way)
Now I see what you meant. It is a good practice, well done France I think I rememeber the protests when the ban on religious symbols was introduced. A question: do they serve halal food in schools? I have read articles about children refusing to observe a minute of silence after the Charlie Hebdo killings, assimilated?
What about the ban on covering in public? I have read of the problems in Marseilles ((sorry for the spelling) - the police turn a blind eye because they want to avoid confrontation with angry, hostile Muslim men who immediately appear if the police what to detain a covered woman.
I have also read about no-go zones in Paris and other cities. Obviously, not enough is done on the integration (not saying that it is entirely the host country's fault, far from it.)
Not sure what you mean by assimilated - assimilation is a long, long process, just attending schools, at least to me, does not mean they are assimilated. If they do not want to behave the same as the local population, eat the same food, dress the same way - there is no adaptation let alone assimilation.
Tom you are getting a person from SLovenia: my son's friend is moving to London, he got a job as an IT person in a hospital. I have been telling my son to go too, but he doesn't want to, his GF doesn't want to move, so he is staying put.
True. If it was any other race or the more politically correct term: etnicity - the UN and everyone else would have raised a big fuss over it.
We can already be sure that when the original European population is not a considerable majority, there will be no values that we know now, there will be no democracy. Plus: look what is happeneing/has happened to minorities in ME, the Copts? the yazidis? the number of Christians? What has even happened to the world heritage that was not in line with what the majority in that part of the world feels.
ANd I do not mean the news - I mean what people talk about, what concerns them.
And I have never denied that atrocities were done in the name of Christianity - what is important though is that they are not done nowadays. What happened in the past cannot and should not be an excuse for today and it is too often used as such.
No, Christianity is evolving: the new testament replaced the old one, there are female priests....
THE REAL POINT is that in the western civilization the religion is separated from the state. People here are not as religious as in the muslim world. I am not relgious at all, my religious denomination is just on the paper because it was my parent's, so I am not defending any other religion. When you talk about only 1400 years...that is silly as nothing is moving ahead.
What I said was that no one kills in the name of god as opposed to killing in the name of alah.
a. There are different interpretations, I know that but what does everyone say about:
1. what to do with apostates 2. what to do with those that leave islam 3. which law is the real law: sharia or some men-made laws?
b. how come that there are such violent reactions to what offends Muslims (thats usually when you mention muhamed) and why do not all those that do not agree with the radicals keep silent?
It seems Merkel has changed her mind again - I just heard on TV that Germany demands that Hungary defend Schengen borders by following the Dublin agreement: immigrants/refugees need to be registered in the first country they arrive in. So, obviously Germany will start returning them to the neighboring countries. Well done Germany, first you open the pandora box and invite everyone to come, then you pass the buck to the others. Well done!
There is a confusion of terminology in different cultures, e.g.
- when Islam talks about "peace" it refers to the state you achieve when you completely submit to Alah. For us peace is something else. - Another example is "respect" - for Muslims this refers to the feeling that you have to automatically have towards e.g. parents, husband< a person of authority. To us respect is earned.
So when we say tolerance, god knows who means what, and when you see that non muslims in e.g. Pakistan are sentenced to death for desecrating Quran (even though that was just an unfounded rumour), then tolerance is very questionable. When Muslims burn the Bible...well, who cares. Take as an example that Bavarian school that asked the non muslims to change their behaviour only because the Muslims demanded it.
Throughout history, Jews and Christians had to pay a special tax to the Muslim authorities to be able to live in the muslim controled areas. IS is just reading what it says in Quran and taking it litterally.
The Bible also has violent verses, but they are in the Old Testament, which almost no one uses nowadays. the New Testament is about turning another cheek.In the Quran, on the other hand, the older, more friendly part is abrogated by the more violent later part. So the development of the two followed a different path.
I do not care about the books anyway, what I care about is the level of religiousness - and it is much much much higher in the Muslim world.
Again you are comparing what no longer is with what is going on and obviously, your won conclusion, will exist for a long long time.
The Christian world has moved on, progressed, the Muslim world has not, it seems that since 1930s (the Muslim Broherhood) it has moved backwards again.
The scientific research shows that the more religious you are, the less tolerant you are to others.
No, only one religion! People can say whatever they want about the Pope and the Christians in general without any fear, while talking about islam...a whole different matter.
Comparing what happened like 1000 years ago with what is going on now? Nowadays no one kills screaming: in the name of the God. What do we hear though, oh yes: allahu akbar
True. I would add that most of us are very wary of the completely different foreign culture that is being imported and is slowly but surely replacing ours.
Exactly. They want, they demand....and the demands just pile up. Think we better find a place to migrate....hm where on earth to? Maybe Australia, they seem to be the wisest...for now.
in Europe we do not know the difference between refugees and economic immigrants - all are treated the same, so people from poor but not war torn African countries can and do come in droves, too.
Yeah, if only the politicians were this efficient! They keep on saying that they had not expected this crisis - they never do, because they cannot see further than down their noses.
The asylum system should be abolished immediately, it is a complete joke.
The system was introduced during the Cold war to help people (mostly important public figures) threatened by the communist regime. The system was never meant to be used to allow mass immigration.
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The States is different from Europe - the States (if we forget about the indigenous Indians there) was a new country/territory, it was created and built by many different nations. On the other hand Europe is not a new country that needs developing - Europe is a well functioning collection of states - each with their own characteristics, but also with shared values.Because of political correctness and a kind of hatred for everything Christian/white, new-comers do not face any requirements they have to meet, nor consequences for not "blending" like you said. Instead of creating a "multicultural" society (which Europe in fact has always been with all different nations and their cultures) what we (or our beloved politicians) have created are parallel societies. Our values and our way of life and what generations have created are under threat, as for a society to function properly (unlike the States, European countries do have welfare system) its population has to share the values.