Shedman01 Forum Posts (1,029)

Prove to me....

I know what it is Krimsa. But thank you for posting the link, maybe it will help others understand why it doesn't offend me.

Prove to me....

I am not sorry that I do not see my request as an argument from ignorance as you do and several others have, I just don't know how else to explain that it is not an argument at all. :shrug: and again if they see it as an argument of any sort they do not have to post in it, which again is the beauty of individualism.


There have been a few that have shared their thoughts on the matter and that data has increased the over all data I have collected over the years and added weight to the hypothesis given. So it has been beneficial to me which is all it was meant to be.

Sure I hope those who have shared that beneficial evidence with me thus far found it at least interesting to themselves, but again that is for them to determine. :shrug:

Your view on this threads validity has no bearing on the benefit it has provided to me, so I just don't understand why it is something that is so important to establish? Yet I have tried to explain my method and what it is doing for me in spite of the claims being made that it is invalid or ignorant, which by the way may be seen by some people as others calling me ignorant in a round about way, and so they may take offense to that causing defensive posturing... But anyway...

The question then becomes... Invalid or ignorant to who? What does it matter to me if others find my request as invalid or ignorant? Why should I alter what has been, and remains to be, valid and functional to me, based on what someone else says is invalid or ignorant to them? It has given me a little of what I hoped it would. The very fact that it has provided me with some evidence that it asked for validates it, and grants it a level of functionality that to me raises it above ignorance. I sure would not wish those who responded to think they were ignorant for doing so because what they gave me was worth something to me. :shrug: So I ask you this... Where is the argument in that?

Prove to me....

No worries they don't have to post anything on the matter if they don't wish to. That's the beauty of individualism.

Prove to me....

In most cases I can fully agree with you. But as we all well know finding a singularly accepted term for "God" is impossible to do, it is in-debatable as there is no duality in the subject because there is no singular definition. It is instead an individually assigned definition that is arrived at through an individuals perceived understanding of the world around them in how it relates to the subject of "God".

However, by allowing people to view the term as they themselves understand it you are able to collect general evidence that is usable in multiple definitions given to a single subject.

That is why this kind of search works best when the subject matter itself is left to the individual understanding of the term.

Each person who believes "God" does not exist can then present evidence that they use to support their belief or if they do believe "God" does exist they can present evidence that has made them doubt that belief before.

Through collecting those individual evidences it is possible to find build evidence that counters multiple portions of multiple beliefs without having to post countless hypothesise for each definition that can be applied to "God".

Prove to me....

Oh yeah I saw that... my excitement made me post unclearly, sorry...

I meant that for a debate you need to have a clearly defined subject. By not having a clearly defined subject the only debate left is to the definition of the subject.

I left no call for defining the subject because I gave no definition at all to the subject it was left to a responders own understanding of the term used.

That leaves no call for debate but rather singular interpritation of the term given to the responder choosing to respond. Hence no room for a debate.

Prove to me....

WHEW!

I am glad you are able to confirm that my original posting leaves no room for a debate to occur!!

I have been trying and trying to go over and over it to see how in the world it could be misconstrued as a platform for a debate and just could not see how it was possible for people to see it that way instead of what I had tried so hard to make it, which is solely and singularly a point of reference for people to offer me their knowledge on the proposed subject.

So I very much appreciate this affirmation as it will now save me time in trying to figure out how my post had been so misleading. Now I know it was not misleading at all. Thank You!

Prove to me....

I appreciate your posting very much, it made me go back over my original and the follow ups I made and helped me realize I had not clarified one of the ways in which evidence supporting the hypothesis can be identified. So first of all thank you for getting me to go back over my postings! very much appreciate it.

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Second to address your posting more specifically, in my original posting I tried to avoid a war and further down on the very first page I posted that I did not care if a person believes in or doesn't believe in...





I am sorry I just don't understand how it could be said I started another religious war.

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The other clarification that may help to identify evidence for some folks is simply this.

If you are a believer in God, whatever you define God as, have you ever had moments of doubt in your belief that your definition of God exists? If so what caused those moments of doubt? These could in fact be considered as possible evidence to support the threads hypothesis. I would love to hear them IF and ONLY if you are comfortable sharing them.

To be sure of my clear intent, I am not interested in what got you over your doubt, only in what caused it in the first place, if you wish to share how you got over it please feel free to but it simply does not matter to me so you can save your time if you wish by just posting what made you doubt the God you believe in exists/or existed...if you conquered that doubt...

Hopefully that is clear enough and understandable so some others may offer their thoughts that they might not have considered applicable to my thread.

Take care all,

Prove to me....

This is the last time I will acknowledge the issue that some are simply not letting go of, and one last time I will try, and in yet one more way, to help folks understand that this is not a debate. Trying to prove me right or wrong is a waste of your time. You are basing your arguments on an assumed hypothesis folks, you do not even know if it is my belief or not. I am here in search of truth, not right or wrong.

I am not debating if "God" does, or does not, exist. Quite frankly I don't care if you think he does, or doesn't, or any of that. I have stated an assumed hypothesis and am searching for evidence of its truth. This is the key. I am not searching for right and wrong, I am searching for truth. There is a very big difference in that.

This assumed hypothesis has been defined further in this thread to be "God, as in 'a supreme being who created all things lovingly' does not exist". This assumption is made to seek evidence that refutes this claim. YES, this means it is assumed the defined God does exist for the sake of the search for evidence.

So again...
I am not here to argue on EITHER side of the does or does not debate, because I do not care one way or the other, what I care about here, and the only thing I care about here is the evidence that supports the assumed hypothesis presented.

Arguments made against proper "debate" mean nothing to my pursuit of truth because I do not need to have a belief one way or the other, I do not need to be right or wrong, I need no debate because I am not presenting my beliefs, and I am not presenting a debate. ok?

I have posted the guides of scientific method which I am following. If you are looking for debate, argument, or to prove your self right or wrong, or to prove me right or wrong, you will find I am not going to give you any of those things because they are not what is being presented Meaning I simply don't pay attention to them because they do not matter to me.

I post this only to try and save people the time they are spending in trying to prove right or wrong or one side or another in this thread. I simply don't care what is viewed as right and wrong or by who in this thread. I just don't, my beliefs are suspended for this search of evidence.

If you wish to prove people wrong, or prove yourself right, it would be very kind of you to make your own thread for that, but if you simply have no respect for my request to stop doing such things there is nothing I can do but keep wasting my time skipping over postings made that are based on right and wrong and in pursuit of "winning" only.

See while all these pointless arguments have been made... some posters have managed to leave their desire/need "to be right or to prove others wrong" out of this thread. There have been some very interesting posts, so it is worth it to me to spend time finding them, and if the pointless stuff keeps making a mess, you can bet I will find those good posts in the mess, and I will thank them for it, I will offer my thoughts of it, and keep scrolling through to find the next legitimate post to the thread purpose.

Please understand... I am not here to "win" an argument, I am not here to "lose" an argument, I do not care if your right or wrong or if I am or anyone else is in this thread. I am here to find evidence of truth as it pertains to the assumed hypothesis given. Simple as that, it really is.

I think I have made myself very clear. I appreciate those who have tried to help me make this point to some, but lets stop wasting our time doing so now and focus on just finding the postings that support the assumed hypothesis. But truly thanks for the efforts expended I wish you had not had to waste your time doing so.

Take care all, Still hoping for more evidence.

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RE: if u were a flower...

waters you and sets you in the sun where your true beauty can show...


stop that wilting nonsense you goof

RE: What do you do...

doin good, hope you can say the same.

RE: What do you do...

and in all honesty and seriousness.. he should D, make sure he knows how you feel too though k... don't just tell us tell him too...

RE: What do you do...

Well spoken!

Dana sweety your to tender hearted... tell the fool to shut up, sit down, and listen or next time he needs an ear you'll be busy trimming nose hairs...HIS...

Sorry D just trying to get a smile from ya...
Hiya Monty


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RE: question to ponder!!

omg PAIN

RE: question to ponder!!

pants on




Sleep well Pretz

RE: question to ponder!!

RE: Feeling a little sad tonight.

RE: bang or pass

Does this count as a double bang...



Besides I thought it might help you sleep... was alllll done for you

BANG

RE: bang or pass

RE: bang or pass

HAY and you said your days nehind the "shed" were gone... BANG...

RE: Feeling a little sad tonight.

RE: Feeling a little sad tonight.

you want to take me out behind the shed??? oh.. oops my bad sorry I misunderstood..

You could try what has worked for me in the past getting to sleep...but it might make tomorrow a bit blurry...

Try to do a cartwheel down a tall staircase!! the third time your head goes THUMP you sleep like a baby unless some jerk stuff smelling salts under your nose...

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And I waited for the world to be cloaked in the darkness of my slumber for the peaceful feeling of rest was upon me and I knew my life had succeeded with the plan laid out for it. Rest welcomed me, and I it.


Just something that was inspired to me as I wrote the other stuff, figured I better share it, hope it is of some comfort for you Jan.

RE: Feeling a little sad tonight.

Ohh sureeee try to send you a nice flower only to find out your don't like us young strapping men from far away... Hmmphh...





ok... ok... I exaggerated I know...you don't want wilted plastic plants that mothers gave to men who used to be young, are now strapped for cash, and living who knows where...

You have to admit the tirade sounded better when it was exaggerated...


and thoughts to your friend
Have been in the same spot with my Brother long long ago more then once. Hang in there, you never truly know what the future holds until it is now and becomes then.

Sending my best thoughts,
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RE: Feeling a little sad tonight.

I'm very glad

RE: Feeling a little sad tonight.

Desmond and HJF are gunna run away together and get married in Vegas then move to Australia where they plan to start a :Men are happier" camp for abused men...

what? it was a rumor I heard..

*did it even crack a tiny smile for you?

RE: The Blessing

RE: Did Somebody On CS Help You Just When You Needed It

What an excelent thread Snuggs! Indeed even in my very short time here there have been several inspiring individuals who have given me a smile. What better gift can someone ask for especially from a stranger?! I have thanked them all individually and would only say, if I have said thank you to you before then count this as an extra one for each time I did.

for the ladies ...
and a
for the guys.

A very welcoming group of folks on these forums.

Again great thread Snuggs, thanks for posting it!


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RE: For a non-religion based forum, why?

Hiya Dazzle, the only thing I can offer on the topic of this thread, in regard to myself only of course, is I am not much into discussing some of the other threads that frequent the top list.

I also don't like the argumentative tendencies that religion and politics seem to draw out, but I try to at least keep my postings as understanding of others and understandable for others as I can, as a way to try and keep arguments from erupting. again...

There are times though that it can be enjoyable conversation and it does show some tendencies beyond the "topic" of the people who reply to them. Like others said above, it isn't really what is being said, as much as how it is said, that gets noticed the most, especially on a dating site.

So I guess it could be helpful for at least that aspect of getting to know some folks even if you never actually participate in the threads in question.

Anyway just thought I would offer my thoughts for you too.


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RE: OK Guys.....if you reeeaaally had to chose one or the other... which would you chose

I have given this further thought and have to say I have no choice with the given parameters, but to stick to my first answer of #1

Reasons that made this my conclusive answer are that I Love my children very dearly, nothing, and I mean nothing, will ever change that. For me this allows disrespect to occur even though Love is present. The reason is that there are a few things my kids do that I hold absolutely no respect for, there were also many times raising them that they did not respect me, yet their Love remained.

These are enough for me to keep my belief that Love can actually exists without respect and also that respect can indeed be earned / reacquired through respectful response and compromise.

Again though this is making assumptions that have not been clarified in regards to a couple of things... 1) the level of disrespect, and 2) whether or not that disrespect is changeable.

If either of the unclarified factors are defined in what I consider to drastic a term, I would then have to go with option #2 when given no alternative to remaining single, though remaining single would indeed be preferred.

Just thought since this came back to the top I would add my extended thought on it for you.


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RE: Be sure to miss me..............lol

Will be easy to miss you, not fun but easy... because your very pleasant to have around!!! Hope things work out and hopefully you will be able to poke around a little at least like you mentioned above. If not take care and come back when you can!!


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Prove to me....

Thanks for sharing that thought!

One evidence I have seen used against this evidence for a supreme being comes to my mind, and that is one that is also used to support the existence of infinity, that evidence is water.

I do not mention the following to argue your point made, I truly don't, I very much respect that you hold that evidence as your base and can easily agree with the premise of it.

The unchanging molecular composition of water more specifically. No matter what is done to it in any known natural way its basic structure/composition remains unchanged, perfectly stable, hence it remains the exact same molecule of water it has 'always' been.

This offers an evidence that more then one thing is capable of existing in such a way as to remain perfectly stable which is what is required by modern understandings to support the possibility of having always existed in a singular form and also the possibility of remaining in a singular form of existence eternally.

I merely used your point to offer the above as one more example of evidence to support the none-supremacy of the defined God being used in the thread thus far, which becomes an evidence of proving the non-existence of an entity, God, with that same definition.

Thank you very much for the posting and time given to make it, I very much appreciate it!


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