Thoughts on the Oregon shooting

Here is what I see. We have had two school shootings by individuals who suffered from Autism, Sandy Hook and now the Oregon College. Both shooters lived with their Moms. One mother was a school guidance counselor the other one is a nurse. Both mothers, in spite of knowing their children had other mental problems beyond simple autism kept firearms and ammunition in a location accessible to their child. There is nothing to be done about the Sandy Hook case because in that instance the boy was nice enough to murder his mother first before taking some guns and going to the school to shoot kids.

However, in the case of Oregon, the mother is a nurse. She also has written many blogs going back a decade about her son having mental health issues and (on other websites) also that she and her son often go to the gun range and shoot together and how she has shopped for guns with her son and they live together and the house is full of readily accessible loaded weapons.

Then yesterday it came out that two years ago she told a co-worker that several times (i.e., at least twice) because her son sometimes refuses to take his prescribed medications and he grows much worse she has had to 'involuntarily commit him' to a mental health institution to get him stabilized.

Now at least 9 have been shot dead and another 9 wounded.

I see two already existent applicable Federal laws.

18 USC 371 Conspiracy = If two or more persons conspire either to commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose, and one or more of such persons do any act to effect the object of the conspiracy, each shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than five years, or both.

18 USC 922 (g) (4) - (g) It shall be unlawful for any person—
(4) who has been adjudicated as a mental defective or who has been committed to a mental institution;
to ship or transport in interstate or foreign commerce, or possess in or affecting commerce, any firearm or ammunition; or to receive any firearm or ammunition which has been shipped or transported in interstate or foreign commerce.

Penalty - (2) Whoever knowingly violates subsection (a)(6), (d), (g), (h), (i), (j), or (o) of section 922 shall be fined as provided in this title, imprisoned not more than 10 years, or both.
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So to my thinking, the mother, by her own admissions, written blogs, and verbal statements to coworkers about knowing of the prior involuntary committing for mental health reasons of her son, should be charged as a willing co-conspirator in the violation of the Federal gun laws, in that she allowed her son to possess both constructively (by being in the home around her admittedly loaded and readily accessible) firearms, and actual possession every time she allowed him to handle hers at the firing range.

That the mental health facility mentioned by the Mom failed to provide law enforcement databases with knowledge of the prior involuntary commitment for mental health reasons, where such failure permitted the man to walk into a gun store and buy weaponry, I consider to be a separate issue. One which is quite possibly (since the Federal Health Privacy laws were amended to permit such notification after the Virginia Tech School shootings) a good basis for a wrongful death law suit against said mental health facility.
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Oh man that is sad.

I agree, but could also wish others had paid attention. We get that all the time here, mainly case-workers being charged with negligence for failing to act, but hindsight is wonderfully clear compared to the developing situation at the time.
Good point, well made
A couple of years ago I was contacted by a female friend who was in jail on a felony drug charge and getting out. She wanted to come stay with me until she could get her feet under her (job, drivers license back, probation visits, etc.). Although a Federally licensed Firearms collector I (after consultation with an attorney) agreed. The process involved the removal of ALL firearms and ammunition from my home. Even my bullet proof vests had to leave the house because felons can't have body armor either. Was it a pain in the rear, and did it break my heart to have to put most things in a bonded storage facility? <There was an exception made of one handgun which was kept in bolted down, combination locked safe to which she was never given the combination to (and since it was hidden from view behind a fake wall she may have not even ever known the safe existed), which both my attorney and her probation office said was permissible. Absolutely. It didn't work out and the woman only stayed about 3 months, whatever. My stuff is back.

My point is, the second the Mom learned her son was coming out of the mental health facility she herself had him committed to, she had zero business keeping guns in her house if he was going to be living there. She made a voluntary choice to open the house to him once he reached adulthood. What she did not have a legal right to do was to allow him ready access to her loaded firearms or any ammunition. Even the recent US Supreme Ct. decision on firearms, while agreeing a non felon person has a right to possess them says except when otherwise specifically prohibited by Federal law. A law she willingly broke. If I can and did meet that standard, I can not excuse her refusal to meet the same standard.

I edited which is why it is out of sequence..
I heard that the information that was contain in the envelope he had given a classmate said that he was upset because he did not have a girlfriend.

Perhaps....we are seeing the power and importance of a loving relationship?
At least one Internet resource provides his user name on some Internet dating sites.
@ Ken...I fully agree and support. Sounds cruel, but the role of the family can't be under estimated. I believe there are many instances where parents and family know their children or family members are a risk for other members of society, but we protect them... by protecting them, we even motivate unwanted behaviour...
I see it as having been a very simple choice. Allow her disturbed (and previously committed for psychiatric reasons) son to continue to live with her, or, (as she wrote of doing in her blogs) keep fully loaded firearms stashed all over the apartment so she could grab one at once in the event of a hostile intruder. She opted to live in both contradictory worlds and in violation of Federal law provided him access to those weapons and said not one word to anyone when he began to acquire some of his own and store them around her home. Nine needless deaths and nine wounded folks who may not ever be right again as a direct result. She did not just enable the crime, she facilitated it. All she had to do was give up the guns and forbid him to have any in her place and nine needlessly dead folks would probably still be alive today.
You're totally making sense to me. I'm still struggling to comprehend the mothers role in this.
Ken,

I've read your blog about a dozen times and I still can't think of things to say heresigh

it's very tragic...I hope that's the last mass shooting we'll ever hearsigh
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Yeah Ken...this tells the tale of what some have to endure! "Covering the floor with plastic bags" part really drives the point home...if wishing could make it so,let there be a medical cure for mental illness...add it to the list with the other horrors such as cancer! And as for meds that the mentally ill must take...the pharmaceutical companies need to introduce an injectable form of these meds that are so cleverly avoided by patients and not taken! Then it would be "stick" for the day/nite ( given by someone other than the patient) and would be obvious that meds were being used! As things are right now..what an impossibly heavy burden mental illness can be! I would not condemn the parent/family that is forced to do what the woman in your story finally did...she tried to use the available resources only to have them fail her! There are degrees or levels of strength needed to cope in this world...dealing with this kind of thing pushes the limit!conversing
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