Too soon to talk about the future? Forget the fight, find peace and common ground?

Brits have a deserved reputation for being whinging poms, and I’m beginning to think we’ll never recover from the division of Brexit. Oh, give us a real crisis, and we’re great, none better, but boy, can we whinge the rest of the time.

Americans, on the whole, are much more positive about life, and getting on with whatever it throws at them.

I was watching an interview with Donald Trump tonight and I was taken aback a couple of times by things he said.

This has been the dirtiest knock-down drag-out fight political battle ever fought so I think I was expecting more of the same. Not at all. DT sounded calm and purposeful and even said the Clintons were 'good people'.

What?? No one involved in Brexit has said anything close to rational about opponents YET, and it was ages ago!

Made me wonder. All the anger will be passing soon, the democratic bid will be forgotten, what do Americans want, hope, for their future? Whether they voted or not.

Whatever you thought, the same democratic system which has produced every previous president produced this result and that does mean people want change.

What changes do you want? And - what was good, and should be kept in place?

Not just America will be great - how, what will change?
Not just America should have stayed on the democratic path - why, what do you really want to see kept?

This could be the quietest blog ever written rolling on the floor laughing but my blog, my rules.

(1) The election has been fought and it is OVER, no rehashing! (okay, edited comment, that changed a bit. Comment will be retained if it makes a valid point leading to discussion

(2) NO SIDESWIPES, INSULTS, JEERS OR GLOATS. scold if there is any hatred or contempt in any comment, warning you right now, it will be deleted,

Teach us by example. The UK needs to learn how to work together over Brexit. blues
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Biff, not convinced that's any benefit to us "ordinary" people, it's still "them" that gets to vote, imagine a petition calling for only politicians not educated in public schools to be elected, image the commons or especially the lords vote on that laugh we don't to choose who to vote for, the elites give us there choice of candidate, the one they've bought & paid for in many instances it seems to me mumbling
That was what got me about Swiss politics - people matter. You can have your say.

You may not get your way, but at least you've had a chance to talk it out applause
Z, no, that's the whole point. It is entirely localized, everyone can be their own politician if they care enough about something.

Okay so you want only politicians 'of the people' - can you get 100 people to sign that petition (actually not sure what the minimum requirement is, so this is purely theoretical) because if there are enough people who care about it, it is obviously an issue.

It is entered into the system as an issue worthy of a vote, published, and, eventually, voted on by everyone directly affected - and the further the debate has spread, the more people are directly affected, so it can spread from canton to canton.

If not many people care and there aren't many "no" votes, that's it, it becomes law. In your district only those with a regular education can stand for office.

Ask Cal about noise-making laws. There are a LOT of those!
Biff, we're slightly at crossed purposes here, I was referring to the UK system where if you get enough names on a petition it gets debated in parliament, but though the Swiss system sounds interesting I'd never go there, too many rules & regulations laugh
Z, We are ok here, its bureaucratic and sometimes old fashioned but we are free at least, I am happy too as our gas bottles have been upgraded to fashionable and less heavy, the price per tank has dropped from €17 to €13.10 here, so it means I can afford the extra 10c per coffee when I go to the big city!.

It may well be the case we have to accept refugees from this community, so be prepared.
Z, yeah well the UK system is a little - um - undemocratic. When the Green Party can get more votes than the LibDems and win one seat while the Libdems win I forget how many it was - well, that is NOT the will of the people laugh

The one satisfying thing about a referendum is that every vote counts.
Map, you know what fascinates me, you (and Z) living in a country which hadn't actually got a government in power, last time I looked. Ongoing elections, unless the 3rd round provided a majority. And yet life is calm and peaceful by your account

almost as though - no, hear me out here - as though things are better without a majority government in power? wow laugh
We have a strange mixup-matchum version of a government since the last election as well

People rebelled against party politics which means neither one of the bigger parties got a majority

and even the two main parties together didn't have enough without the help of smaller parties and independents.

It'll be interesting to see how it works out
Molly, does sound as if a major dent has been put into party politics, at the very least?

Very interesting. I'm beginning to think this coalition and power-sharing stuff could have a key for us.
No we have a government of sorts now, all be it a minority one, still the same one that made criticising politicians or the police on media illegal mumbling what's the first thin they want to do now they're back in power, ban altered (funny) pictures or vids of politicians very mad I feel a campaign coming on laugh
One comment to those (Map and I think Z) who suggest UK is run by public-school haw-haws - the current PM and the leader of the Labour party are both grammar school pupils. dunno

I can't say I am too upset by politicians being bright enough at the age of 11 to win a place in an education system that has only one bias, the brain you bring to the table.

I'm not saying either of them are a sparkling advertisment for the non-public-school politician, because this is a strictly neutral blog rolling on the floor laughing
Map, so you're catching up, we've only had those lightweight gas bottles 13 years laugh
Eleg

Still reeling over Trump's win...moping

But I see now he has accepted Obama care and asked for tolerance...the end of unrest and disrespect...and no wall...confused

What the Donald has done is underhanded...if Americans wanted division...he has simply plied the crowd with rhetoric...no intentions of following through with his fear based mongering...perhaps we will see a back lash of Republicans questioning his leadership or perhaps Clinton did not spend enough time speaking about foreign affairs regarding trade...protectionism seems to be favored...

However, I cannot see how America will embrace higher costs of living if factory jobs, manufacturing jobs and others are once again being produced in America...

Reality check please...Sanders may have been a better bet...wine
Biff, that's right, but one only got in after the public school boy dropped out at the last minute & the other is public enemy number one according to a poll yesterday laugh
Biff, We have a Govt now after a year of issues, no one cares as the economy is good.
Grammar school sounds so much posher than public school, but it is the opposite, isn't it? laugh
Lou, hi!

what's done is done, no going back.

I think most Americans would pay a bit more to buy local if it got sections of the local economy jumpstarted again? I think most of us would. Saving a buck but cutting our long-term noses, so to speak, but instead of putting money into promoting the real benefits of keeping money in-house, so to speak, we go for the cheap and often shoddy option.

I do know I look at supermarket prices of farm-produced goods and I wonder why the supermarkets cut the prices lower and lower, strangling the farmers at the start of the chain. We're being offered more than we need at a bargain price - 2 bags of potatoes for the price of 1, for example - and will waste most of the advantage. I'd truly rather pay a fair price and buy a little less. Well, I do, I buy organic anyway. But the marketing, the mind-set, is worryingly wrong.
Biff, the prices won't be a bit more, they will go up hugely

It's not just the prices of fruit and veg

What about things like mobile phones which are made in China for half nothing, if the manufacture of those goes locally, it will push up the prices hugely.

Then they will want more wages to pay for the price of everything that has gone up in price, which will be practically everything.
And those people who want pay rises will also include the people working in the manufacturing plants, so then the prices go up again..and so on.
Molly, ONLY in the UK could a public school be posher than a private one rolling on the floor laughing

As I understand it (and I wasn't educated here) schooling is free, but you could sit an entrance exam for a free grammar school and get in if you were bright enough.

Then there were fee-paying private schools, some with and some without entrance exams, who could choose who to take as pupils

and the 'public' schools which by law are open to all - well, to anyone who can pay the fees

Did I get that right?
I honestly don't know laugh

We don't have the same system here.

All I know, is I always think the opposite of what it sounds like and I believe I am right then laugh
Molly, China isn't in the EU? confused

The UK market is a multi-billion euro one, EU suppliers are not saying hey, that's sad, I shall produce less now because I have lost a big customer.

I work for a German-owned corporation which is no way about to give up a multimillion pound income.

My previous corporate employers were bought by a Dutch-owned corporation for the lucrative UK market. Ditto.

We buy and sell all round the world, not just in the EU. That won't change. We will lose some trade concessions but you do know, right, that we are working on hammering out more asap? We will most certainly still be trading with the EU.

Don't be negative. Things won't be rosier but they won't be as bleak as you are believing. Things will change but they were going to change in other ways.


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Biff, I was answering your answer to Lou which was about the US economy, rather than the UK one.

I have no idea how the UK one will work out.

But I do think short term at least, the combined changes of policy both in the UK and the US could have huge reverberations around the whole world.

I am not going to get depressed about it or anything laugh , as there is absolutely nothing I can do, but I do think it will happen.
doh my bad

Still, parts of my argument still stand. Fact remains that when anyone has a monopoly, prices rise to silly levels. In healthy competition, suddenly prices drop to reasonable - the manufacturer still makes a living, just not a giant profit, and the buyer is not being gouged.

Unbalanced competition is the killer, and yes levelling the playing field by implying import duties is going to push prices up on the super-cheap.

End of the day, what people really need, they will buy. If enough of them refuse to pay unfair prices and source it elsewhere in the world, local suppliers suffer and will trim their prices as far as they can to stay in the market.

And yes, prices are going to go up. But a lot of what we spend our money on isn't really essential! Well, me anyway. I spent 3 years living on the smell of an oil rag and you would not believe how little you really, really need.
I'd say living on the smell of that oil rag will stand to you well in the winter of discontent which is to follow laugh
I'm sure it will.

Fingers tightly crossed that all the doom and gloom was wasted energy and brilliant futures lie ahead for us all. grin

Mewwy Chwistmas and God bless us evewy one.
There is no doom and gloom, its just false perceptions, mass hysteria and bovine TB, be happy and grateful you are alive, have a home, a warm place to sleep and pets that adore you.

Smiling is infectious, so look at yourselves in the mirror and smile, you will notice your reflection smiling back at you, drink a coffee or tea, smoke if you smoke, let that which is out of your control remain there, you are in charge of your own destiny, plan and incept anything that will improve your life, love and health.


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Please rush me some of your kitty litter topping, I want to try it on the omelette I am about to make because I am now starving laugh
Hi Biff, Molly, you mean the Swiss tunnel that was 2.2 billion over budget........???? Last time they let the people choose. If it was all gov't controlled it would have been 5.5b over budget.......definitely a new campaign to run on....
Biff,

about your Blogthumbs up thumbs up thumbs up and specially,because you don't behave like most people,that make the decision based on the brainwashing media and because living in a box,can not change their mind into reality.......you saw the fact and you modified your opinioncheers
Seri,

NOBODY can command Trump and that is the very positive in him self and opposite to Clinton,he is able to make change in him self and his opinions,depending on the situation and what the situation are needing from him.....that is the brilliance in a Businessman and the big difference from establishment people and people on boxes.
Sands, sometimes you have to wonder why anyone bothers with budgets at all. Although I did do some work for a guy involved in giant billion-pound projects in Africa (I edited his press-releases) and he had a pretty good scheme, all contracting parties had their budgets agreed, their deadlines set - and bonuses paid for every day completed ahead of schedule. A couple of the press releases were on finishing work on time and within (final) budget. Although the scale of bonuses did boggle the mind a bit it was still considered cheaper than the more familiar running wayyyyyyy over on time and money rolling on the floor laughing
Biff,

I have never really think about being rational,I have always kept my self as somebody in reality and in the middle of opposites,,but when you are coming up with it,I start to feel,that I'm leaning in the rational direction too....and when I talk about,that when you stay neutral,you can see the facts,that is also in the direction of rational.....but still,if you are rational,you follow everything by using logic and even you don't talk about changing your opinion,it can affect your view of the situation.
Hmmm....I think I almost talk to my self now or thinking loud laugh
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