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jessejess47ogdensburg, New York USA35 Threads 1 Polls 3,886 PostsScubadiva: Of course there are some differences, but are they significant? I would even argue that a north-eastern American's lifestyle is closer to that of a western European than that between a north-easterner and say someone from Kentucky or Missouri, for example.
not sure about western Europes culture to ours here in the northeast....but it is very differant from the southern states indeed
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Conrad73: Ask the Scotsman why he brought up Waco in such a respectful manner!
Geez... I had to go back and find that post 
Well... he does have a point though in that you are not at all at liberty to live as you please in the US and you are really not at liberty to defend your property with weapons if the state or the federal government has an interest in you. You can try, but you won't survive it.------ This thread is Archived ------
jessejess47: not sure about western Europes culture to ours here in the northeast....but it is very differant from the southern states indeed
Well, I'm talking NYC/NJ/Philli. You guys up north there are "something else" anyway
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Scubadiva: Well, I'm talking NYC/NJ/Philli. You guys up north there are "something else" anyway
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jessejess47: not sure about western Europes culture to ours here in the northeast....but it is very differant from the southern states indeed
European cultures are very different as well...
For instance, though we share a border, Norwegian culture is quite different from say the Finnish...
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Olsojente: European cultures are very different as well...
For instance, though we share a border, Norwegian culture is quite different from say the Finnish...
I think if you would look at the States more in the sense of each state being a country as in Europe ,perhaps others would not be so fast to group us all the same.....each state can be vastly differant just as each country in Europe can be vastly differant....For instance, though we share a border, Norwegian culture is quite different from say the Finnish...
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In what cultures are the following ideals bad:
Freedom of speech, assembly, religion
Right to own and carry weapons for defense against individuals and states that seek to do you harm
You shouldnt be forced to let your house become a barracks for government troops
Freedom form unreasonable search and seizure
Right to due process, protection against double jeapordy (repeated trials for the same offense)
Right to speedy, fair, public trial and legal help.
Right to civil trial by jury
Protection from cruel and unusual punsihment and excessive bail.
There are other natural rights not written here.
Anything not specifically a federal function will be regulated by states or localities to give people more control over government.
Thats the bill of rights and it should be universal for all humanity. I say should but it is on the rest of the world to stand up for those rights against their respective tyrants. If I could aid such a people I would but I would not want a body like the UN or any countries military being used to push it one way or the other.
I think the values the founders had against large standing armies and treaties have been among the most damaging among the values we have abandoned, both in blood and money.
Freedom of speech, assembly, religion
Right to own and carry weapons for defense against individuals and states that seek to do you harm
You shouldnt be forced to let your house become a barracks for government troops
Freedom form unreasonable search and seizure
Right to due process, protection against double jeapordy (repeated trials for the same offense)
Right to speedy, fair, public trial and legal help.
Right to civil trial by jury
Protection from cruel and unusual punsihment and excessive bail.
There are other natural rights not written here.
Anything not specifically a federal function will be regulated by states or localities to give people more control over government.
Thats the bill of rights and it should be universal for all humanity. I say should but it is on the rest of the world to stand up for those rights against their respective tyrants. If I could aid such a people I would but I would not want a body like the UN or any countries military being used to push it one way or the other.
I think the values the founders had against large standing armies and treaties have been among the most damaging among the values we have abandoned, both in blood and money.
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jessejess47: I think if you would look at the States more in the sense of each state being a country as in Europe ,perhaps others would not be so fast to group us all the same.....each state can be vastly differant just as each country in Europe can be vastly differant....
There is certainly a difference between states, Oregon is very different to say Texas, but nothing like the difference between neighboughing countries let alone those further away in Europe, For a start there is each countries very different language, with languages within those countries, Spain has five different languages all different, the Uk has English, welsh, Gaelic, Cornish, then you have political stance from far left to far right, there are historical differences the west being predominantly Roman influenced, the south by Turkish/Greek, the East by a mixture form all over, China being the exception.
I have travelled through America from the north to south alone the east coast then back up through the central states, and believe me, the differences are minimal compared with a similar trip in Europe
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rizlared: There is certainly a difference between states, Oregon is very different to say Texas, but nothing like the difference between neighboughing countries let alone those further away in Europe, For a start there is each countries very different language, with languages within those countries, Spain has five different languages all different, the Uk has English, welsh, Gaelic, Cornish, then you have political stance from far left to far right, there are historical differences the west being predominantly Roman influenced, the south by Turkish/Greek, the East by a mixture form all over, China being the exception.
I have travelled through America from the north to south alone the east coast then back up through the central states, and believe me, the differences are minimal compared with a similar trip in Europe
I have travelled through America from the north to south alone the east coast then back up through the central states, and believe me, the differences are minimal compared with a similar trip in Europe
Of COURSE the countries in Europe are more different that each individual State in the US. I dont believe that was what was being said in the previous statement.
What was being said was that many countries in the world seem to group all citizens of the USA together as one entity, as Im sure you will agree, Riz - many believe there is one culture, one belief system - which of course simply is NOT true. This is easy to do, as it is under one Federal Umbrella, but the diversity is SIMILAR indeed to each individual Member State of the EU, language included in some cases as well as religion.
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Brewer: Whats not getting across is that clinton, bush, obama, carter,putin, brown, sarkozy, its all the same. Demicans and republicrats.
That's a point that a lot of Americans on here seem to have trouble with...
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rizlared: There is certainly a difference between states, Oregon is very different to say Texas, but nothing like the difference between neighboughing countries let alone those further away in Europe, For a start there is each countries very different language, with languages within those countries, Spain has five different languages all different, the Uk has English, welsh, Gaelic, Cornish, then you have political stance from far left to far right, there are historical differences the west being predominantly Roman influenced, the south by Turkish/Greek, the East by a mixture form all over, China being the exception.
I have travelled through America from the north to south alone the east coast then back up through the central states, and believe me, the differences are minimal compared with a similar trip in Europe
I have travelled through America from the north to south alone the east coast then back up through the central states, and believe me, the differences are minimal compared with a similar trip in Europe
Even small Norway has 3 different languages...
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Ambrose2007: That's a point that a lot of Americans on here seem to have trouble with... They're all ONE - different sides of the same coin. (With a notable exception here and there like Ron Paul.)
And that can be said about mankind as a whole regardless of nationality or race.
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"There is only one party and that's the corporate party. It has two wings, the republican and the democrat." Gore Vidal
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Scubadiva: "There is only one party and that's the corporate party. It has two wings, the republican and the democrat." Gore Vidal
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Olsojente: Even small Norway has 3 different languages...
Very true..
However, just talking about Native Americans, there are probably at least 20 different languages alone..
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Scubadiva: "There is only one party and that's the corporate party. It has two wings, the republican and the democrat." Gore Vidal
I want to clarify - I don't believe corporations per se are evil, but when you team them with government you get a nasty beast called "corporate fascism." A beast which our current president's in bed with as much as any other, unfortunately.
And that's the way it is because people here are okay with it (or ignorant of it). Otherwise, Ron Paul would be our current president.
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petalbabe: Of COURSE the countries in Europe are more different that each individual State in the US. I dont believe that was what was being said in the previous statement.
What was being said was that many countries in the world seem to group all citizens of the USA together as one entity, as Im sure you will agree, Riz - many believe there is one culture, one belief system - which of course simply is NOT true. This is easy to do, as it is under one Federal Umbrella, but the diversity is SIMILAR indeed to each individual Member State of the EU, language included in some cases as well as religion.
What was being said was that many countries in the world seem to group all citizens of the USA together as one entity, as Im sure you will agree, Riz - many believe there is one culture, one belief system - which of course simply is NOT true. This is easy to do, as it is under one Federal Umbrella, but the diversity is SIMILAR indeed to each individual Member State of the EU, language included in some cases as well as religion.
Okay, but I am confused, I have visited 34 states and worked in 8 in my life, and although each one had it's individuality, the basic premise by which the residents lived was the same, they all have a common language, thats a fact, they all follow the constitution thats also a fact, their culture may differ slightly state to state but nothing like the difference between say the UK and Greece or Belgium and Poland, if you take a photo of a small town in Ohio and another in say Oregon, you would be hard pressed to say which came from which, drive down any interstate and you could be in any one of 20 states, that is simply not true in Europe, each country has different houses, villages and towns, each country has different roads built in very different ways, motorways in Greece have bougainvillea planted in the central area on dual carriageways, but you don't see that in the UK.
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petalbabe: Very true..
However, just talking about Native Americans, there are probably at least 20 different languages alone..
However, just talking about Native Americans, there are probably at least 20 different languages alone..
But those languages are not the first language of that state, that is American English, the same goes for the Amish regions, they speak a form of German/Dutch but English is still the primary language.
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rizlared: Okay, but I am confused, I have visited 34 states and worked in 8 in my life, and although each one had it's individuality, the basic premise by which the residents lived was the same, they all have a common language, thats a fact, they all follow the constitution thats also a fact, their culture may differ slightly state to state but nothing like the difference between say the UK and Greece or Belgium and Poland, if you take a photo of a small town in Ohio and another in say Oregon, you would be hard pressed to say which came from which, drive down any interstate and you could be in any one of 20 states, that is simply not true in Europe, each country has different houses, villages and towns, each country has different roads built in very different ways, motorways in Greece have bougainvillea planted in the central area on dual carriageways, but you don't see that in the UK.
Thats simply not true, is it, Riz??! How can you say that a video/picture of an interstate scene in New York State could be confused with a section of interstate in Arizona/New Mexico, etc?
As regards bougainvillea planted in Greece on the dual carriageways, well, surely that comes down to CLIMATE, not culture? If both Greece and the UK were governed by the same climate, and both countries drove on the same side of the road, I dont think you would see a great deal of difference in the actual scene, really..
To use your example, plants similar to bougainvillea probably grow on the roads in Southern California, to be sure. I cannot think that they would grow in the extreme North West of the US! Its only the same thing as your example of Greece and the UK.
I understand what you are saying, Riz, totally
I think it is just somewhat irritating to some Americans that Europeans (just using them as an example!) have a TENDENCY to group all US Citizens together. If that were true, I would say that the struggles in some states to retain their individuality would be non-existent.
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rizlared: But those languages are not the first language of that state, that is American English, the same goes for the Amish regions, they speak a form of German/Dutch but English is still the primary language.
The Dutch actually refers to "Deutsch"(German).It is somewhat similar to some Swissgerman Dialects,for obvious reasons.
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