Doing Hard Time (48)
tainogirlTrincity,West Indies,, Trinidad and Tobago215 Threads 2 Polls 3,777 PostsDoing Hard Time. No I'm not refering to how it feels for some of us here at CS still trying to make a 'connection.' I was watching this documentary on cable and it said that America has one of(if not the largest) amount of people in Prison. The documentary then went on to show various types of Prison systems and what struck me was the amount of over crowding at many of these institutions. Are there really that many people committing crimes? Now I don't know but it would seem to me that locking up some minor offenders with a bunch of violent and vicious men in overcrowded situations isn't going to offer much chance for rehabilitation. I think its dangerous both for the prisoners and the guards who have to look after them. An awful lot of young guys are in prison, when they are sent to go live with these older seasoned criminals does it make them better or bitter. And then when this pent up anger is then released back onto the streets what does that spell for the rest of law abiding society? I've seen it here too, the criminals getting younger and younger, you see a lot of the girls surging ahead educationally while a lot of the boys are falling behind. A disturbing trend. What do you think?
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my son is a prison guard and i always worried until now about his safety, he just got promoted and transferred to max security prison. these are the bad ones that are on lock down 23 out of 24 hrs a day. they try to keep the real bad ones away from the lessor offenders, but with the return rate you know they are learning from the older ones, it is some to overcrowding but this has been the case for many many years. we need more places like the one in Arizona that don't coddle the prisoners, where else do you go where you have three square meals a day, free medical, colored tv. the kids off the street may not have ever had that so it is a better life for them.. get out repeat and get taken care of again. learn a trade get an education, (which 90% don't ever use) and find it easier to go back to prison. it is a sad situation but it is there.
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caspatch: my son is a prison guard and i always worried until now about his safety, he just got promoted and transferred to max security prison. these are the bad ones that are on lock down 23 out of 24 hrs a day. they try to keep the real bad ones away from the lessor offenders, but with the return rate you know they are learning from the older ones, it is some to overcrowding but this has been the case for many many years. we need more places like the one in Arizona that don't coddle the prisoners, where else do you go where you have three square meals a day, free medical, colored tv. the kids off the street may not have ever had that so it is a better life for them.. get out repeat and get taken care of again. learn a trade get an education, (which 90% don't ever use) and find it easier to go back to prison. it is a sad situation but it is there.
Now fantasize with me a minute and just imagine if all those in lock down were actually busy being contributing members of society. If you're a guy in prison all day with very little to do, surrounded by all that testosterone - well that's just a cocktail mix for disaster.
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tainogirl: Now fantasize with me a minute and just imagine if all those in lock down were actually busy being contributing members of society. If you're a guy in prison all day with very little to do, surrounded by all that testosterone - well that's just a cocktail mix for disaster.
And once on the outside all that pent up anger will often be released in some form.
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Veritaas: And once on the outside all that pent up anger will often be released in some form.
Oh there's plenty anger on the outside too. How much of the 4.3 billion that RBS got from your taxes has just been paid in bonuses!
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Godsgift: Heaven forbid that you ever get stopped for speeding? let he who is without sin and all that!
Here in the U.S. - they don't send ya to prison for speeding.
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Veritaas: So any person who committed a crime you would execute? Would you zap a person who stole a box or oreos from Walmart? Would you execute a person for stealing millions of dollars?
Betcha would see a drop in the crime rate!
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tainogirl: Doing Hard Time. No I'm not refering to how it feels for some of us here at CS still trying to make a 'connection.' I was watching this documentary on cable and it said that America has one of(if not the largest) amount of people in Prison. The documentary then went on to show various types of Prison systems and what struck me was the amount of over crowding at many of these institutions. Are there really that many people committing crimes? Now I don't know but it would seem to me that locking up some minor offenders with a bunch of violent and vicious men in overcrowded situations isn't going to offer much chance for rehabilitation. I think its dangerous both for the prisoners and the guards who have to look after them. An awful lot of young guys are in prison, when they are sent to go live with these older seasoned criminals does it make them better or bitter. And then when this pent up anger is then released back onto the streets what does that spell for the rest of law abiding society? I've seen it here too, the criminals getting younger and younger, you see a lot of the girls surging ahead educationally while a lot of the boys are falling behind. A disturbing trend. What do you think?
I think this is what happens when you incarcerate people for profit, which requires immoral and absurd laws ("War on Drugs" the main culprit) in order to furnish enough "criminals" to underwrite the private prisons and powerful prison guard unions.
Unless you're severely mentally handicapped, it's fairly easy to grasp that our system is not even remotely about making our society safe, but rather is about maintaining a "prison-industrial complex."
In California, then governor-candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger promised to rein in the prison system and powerful guards union, but then - apparently - was bought out, and quietly let his promises die.
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tainogirl: Doing Hard Time. No I'm not refering to how it feels for some of us here at CS still trying to make a 'connection.' I was watching this documentary on cable and it said that America has one of(if not the largest) amount of people in Prison. The documentary then went on to show various types of Prison systems and what struck me was the amount of over crowding at many of these institutions. Are there really that many people committing crimes? Now I don't know but it would seem to me that locking up some minor offenders with a bunch of violent and vicious men in overcrowded situations isn't going to offer much chance for rehabilitation. I think its dangerous both for the prisoners and the guards who have to look after them. An awful lot of young guys are in prison, when they are sent to go live with these older seasoned criminals does it make them better or bitter. And then when this pent up anger is then released back onto the streets what does that spell for the rest of law abiding society? I've seen it here too, the criminals getting younger and younger, you see a lot of the girls surging ahead educationally while a lot of the boys are falling behind. A disturbing trend. What do you think?
Prisons here have been overcrowded for a long time, and we have long known the problems of our prison system. The segregation of some types of criminals would be nice. Juvenile offenders, for example, have their own facility.
Honestly though, it is sad, but sometimes the younger offenders are as hardened as the older ones. I have seen it more than once, and I think it is partly that some of the younger offenders aren't mature enough to really examine on the consequences of their actions, and that makes them potentially very dangerous. while some of the older ones really just don't care.
The best thing to do is to live ones life in a way that will keep them out of prison here. The prison system is not only overcrowded, it is very expensive. So law abiding taxpayers would love to see fewer people going there. Best way? Behave in a lawful manner.
The prison population gets mixed sympathy here as it is a huge drain on tax dollars, and inmates receive services , healthcare for example, that many of us who pay for their stay cannot afford..... just a few thoughts.........
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Veritaas: So any person who committed a crime you would execute? Would you zap a person who stole a box or oreos from Walmart? Would you execute a person for stealing millions of dollars?
you mean like the American tax system and other gov't money hounds?
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Prison is not a place for rehab. In most cases it gives less serious offenders ideas for worse crimes by associating with more hardened criminals. A lot of these guys are not smart enough to earn an honest living while others should never be allowed to see the light of day. At the same time, a lot of law enforcement people, lawyers, politicians and the like should also be locked up.
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Ambrose2007: I think this is what happens when you incarcerate people for profit, which requires immoral and absurd laws ("War on Drugs" the main culprit) in order to furnish enough "criminals" to underwrite the private prisons and powerful prison guard unions.
Unless you're severely mentally handicapped, it's fairly easy to grasp that our system is not even remotely about making our society safe, but rather is about maintaining a "prison-industrial complex."
In California, then governor-candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger promised to rein in the prison system and powerful guards union, but then - apparently - was bought out, and quietly let his promises die.
Unless you're severely mentally handicapped, it's fairly easy to grasp that our system is not even remotely about making our society safe, but rather is about maintaining a "prison-industrial complex."
In California, then governor-candidate Arnold Schwarzenegger promised to rein in the prison system and powerful guards union, but then - apparently - was bought out, and quietly let his promises die.
my son is a federal guard and they are under staffed. no union can buck the feds, so by gov't cut back they endanger the guards, they try to cover one another but are in yard unarmed, except for riot sticks which is like hunting an elephant with a fly swatter when you have 1to 200 inmates out for recreation. they try to keep the gangs separated but it does not always work. would you risk your life?
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Doing hard time is a tricky subject..
There are so many variables
Firstly not all the prisons are govt... the are private.
Lockdown can happen because there are not enough guards on duty.
lockdown happens frequently
The length of time the person spends in jail is time that is wasted on keeping up with the new technology that occurs in everyday life... and prevents keeping up and education
so the prisoners do the best they can... they know that when their time is up they will not be able to be rehabilitated completely, so they just opt for repeat crime to go back to the mates that they make in jail and that then becomes their learned behaviour.
Very little opportunities are provided for education whilst doing time... and in Vic. there is rehab period provided at the end of their time and the length of time is not proportional to the amount of time spent inside,,, but at least its something..
It also depends on how much family support they are afforded... and can you blame the family and friends if they dont support too much.... the whole day is spent travelling to the jail, waiting for the prisone to be checked, and many times after a long wait... for whatever reason lockdown happens... and its just been a waste of time for the visitors...
Bunching a whole heap of offenders together is primitive... some are mentally disturbed... some are just plain mean.. some are just in because of a night of drugs and happended to do something bad... tooooo many variables.... but the percentage of mentally ill.. is huge...
Bunching a whole heaps of indigenous together is bad too...
The truth is... there should be a better way... I am all for not jails... but rehab centres for everyone... where education, counselling and constant mentorship is the key...
JMO
There are so many variables
Firstly not all the prisons are govt... the are private.
Lockdown can happen because there are not enough guards on duty.
lockdown happens frequently
The length of time the person spends in jail is time that is wasted on keeping up with the new technology that occurs in everyday life... and prevents keeping up and education
so the prisoners do the best they can... they know that when their time is up they will not be able to be rehabilitated completely, so they just opt for repeat crime to go back to the mates that they make in jail and that then becomes their learned behaviour.
Very little opportunities are provided for education whilst doing time... and in Vic. there is rehab period provided at the end of their time and the length of time is not proportional to the amount of time spent inside,,, but at least its something..
It also depends on how much family support they are afforded... and can you blame the family and friends if they dont support too much.... the whole day is spent travelling to the jail, waiting for the prisone to be checked, and many times after a long wait... for whatever reason lockdown happens... and its just been a waste of time for the visitors...
Bunching a whole heap of offenders together is primitive... some are mentally disturbed... some are just plain mean.. some are just in because of a night of drugs and happended to do something bad... tooooo many variables.... but the percentage of mentally ill.. is huge...
Bunching a whole heaps of indigenous together is bad too...
The truth is... there should be a better way... I am all for not jails... but rehab centres for everyone... where education, counselling and constant mentorship is the key...
JMO
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I like the idea of helping people when they're kids so they grow up to be allright. It seems like there are too many people in our society who were completely ignored or abused as kids. There was some TV show about kids in England who got thrown out of school, so people opened a special schol for them before they grow up to be a menace. That sounds like a great idea to me.
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Number one... I think all prisons should be self sufficient. Prisoners should work for a wage that allows them to purchase their meals, accomodation, health care, etc. If you're willing to put in some overtime you can afford to buy privledges...watching TV, working out in the gym...
If you're not willing to work than you get the minimum...crap food and stay in your cell 24 /7 with no extras. The more you work and contribute the better your standard of living.
A bit like the outside world...maybe if these guys got used to earning a living it might carry through to when they get released.
If you're not willing to work than you get the minimum...crap food and stay in your cell 24 /7 with no extras. The more you work and contribute the better your standard of living.
A bit like the outside world...maybe if these guys got used to earning a living it might carry through to when they get released.
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I for one am all for the drug laws in our country, but I'm against the penalties as they presently are. Our prisons and local jails are full of minor drug and non violent offenders that outside programs would certainly be more effective in rehabilitating than locking them up with the nasty boys/girls and would drastically ease our overcrowding. Programs for this catagory of non violent offenders should use jail as a deterent not as a penalty. Don't follow the program, then it's off to jail/prison....In some parts of the country one might be written a ticket for getting caught with a little bag of marijuana while another areas they take you to jail (Ohio=ticket...Florida=Jail)
The bottom line and total solution is actually very simple. Don't break the law and you won't have to worry about going to jail/prison. Whether you believe the law(s) are just or not, rarely do law abiding citizens go to jail..
The bottom line and total solution is actually very simple. Don't break the law and you won't have to worry about going to jail/prison. Whether you believe the law(s) are just or not, rarely do law abiding citizens go to jail..
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tainogirl: Now I don't know but it would seem to me that locking up some minor offenders with a bunch of violent and vicious men in overcrowded situations isn't going to offer much chance for rehabilitation. I think its dangerous both for the prisoners and the guards who have to look after them. An awful lot of young guys are in prison, when they are sent to go live with these older seasoned criminals does it make them better or bitter.
It makes them better criminals.
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Ocee35: It makes them better criminals.
Hi Ocee
So you agree that rehabilitation and education is the key?? with support from counsellors and a mentorship program..?
cheers
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Merriweather: Hi Ocee
So you agree that rehabilitation and education is the key?? with support from counsellors and a mentorship program..?
cheers
So you agree that rehabilitation and education is the key?? with support from counsellors and a mentorship program..?
cheers
Hi Merri.
Yes. I'd like to see a greater focus on rehabilitation.
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