Landing on Moon: was that true?????? (947)
ClearlyStatedNorth Bay, Ontario Canada15 Threads 1 Polls 489 Postsmaryrachelle: I'm not mad,merely explaining.If you go and have a peek at a space suit you will see that those things are enormous.He easily could of smacked it.
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Abyss31: Check out the feather/hammer drop at some point.
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So many great examples of how it couldn't be faked. One of the best is the ANGLE that the moon buggy ejects dirt behind it. Slow motion cannot account for a differing angle. Weaker gravity does.
Funny thing is people are faced with so much fakery and trickery NOW with technology the way it is. Only so much you could do then.
I remembering arguing with some "kid" about the Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse. He was ranting about the fact that it LOOKED fake. That he "could tell". And yet... it happened too.
To be honest with ya, I didnt realize my comment was going to get so much attention ;-)
So many great examples of how it couldn't be faked. One of the best is the ANGLE that the moon buggy ejects dirt behind it. Slow motion cannot account for a differing angle. Weaker gravity does.
Funny thing is people are faced with so much fakery and trickery NOW with technology the way it is. Only so much you could do then.
I remembering arguing with some "kid" about the Tacoma Narrows bridge collapse. He was ranting about the fact that it LOOKED fake. That he "could tell". And yet... it happened too.
because really at the end of the day, this is not a topic that affects me in any shape or form, therefore holds no glue to me. So anyways...fake or not.....I truly truly do not care......I care about things that will make a difference to people's natural being, affect the process of life, the effects of a flag moving or a walk on the moon, does nothing to help me as an individual and doesn't help me - if others need my help. You understand.....I'm a student of psychology for godsakes !!
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Abyss31: Check out the feather/hammer drop at some point.
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So many great examples of how it couldn't be faked. One of the best is the ANGLE that the moon buggy ejects dirt behind it....
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So many great examples of how it couldn't be faked. One of the best is the ANGLE that the moon buggy ejects dirt behind it....
Anything can be faked. Especially anything visual.
If it had really happened there would be an American base on the moon now.
It was a propaganda ploy.
And both the US and the USSR were in on it.
In both countries the space-race was the poster-child for huge zillion-dollar boondoggles that transferred money from taxpayer pockets to the pockets of a select few industries (who then showed their appreciation to the politicians who supported their agenda.
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i would like to believe so
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The Apollo Moon landings All Six of them and back were totally Faked check out Jarrah White a young Australian Apollo doco maker Youtube : "Moon Faker"
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Frankinstien: I guess they used those Zyglon B crystals to keep the flies away ? . . . . . I've never been there ( Dachau ) but if you are ever in Washinton D C and go to the mall, take time to go to the Holacaust meuseum . I've always said I'de like to walk half the world through there .
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RayfromUSA: Anything can be faked. Especially anything visual.
If it had really happened there would be an American base on the moon now.
If it had really happened there would be an American base on the moon now.
Explain faking the angle.
Your following statement if/then is true because... you said it?
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RayfromUSA: Anything can be faked. Especially anything visual.
If it had really happened there would be an American base on the moon now.
It was a propaganda ploy.
And both the US and the USSR were in on it.
In both countries the space-race was the poster-child for huge zillion-dollar boondoggles that transferred money from taxpayer pockets to the pockets of a select few industries (who then showed their appreciation to the politicians who supported their agenda.
If it had really happened there would be an American base on the moon now.
It was a propaganda ploy.
And both the US and the USSR were in on it.
In both countries the space-race was the poster-child for huge zillion-dollar boondoggles that transferred money from taxpayer pockets to the pockets of a select few industries (who then showed their appreciation to the politicians who supported their agenda.
What can we experiment with on the moon that can't be done cheaply on the I.S.S? The only thing I can think of is to place a huge spinning parabolic dish mirror filled with mercury there to use as a "better" space telescope. But that is a gargantuan expense, besides, the next generation of space telescopes orbiting earth would perform nearly as good as a bigger, more expensive, telescope, constructed on the dark side of the moon.
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Some of the "debunked" photos were actually strawman artifacts anyway. In other words they were created intentionally to be contested and then "debunked". It's a way of taking attention away from other points that can't be debunked.
Robert Jay Lifton described the strawman tactic in his 25 rules of disinformation (paraphrased here)
"Use a straw man.
Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's position which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue and imply that it is an important point of your opponent's position, or select the weakest point of your opponent's position and exaggerate its importance and then, with great fanfare, destroy the point in a way which appears to debunk your opponent's entire position, (when in fact you are actually avoiding any discussion whatsoever of the real issues."
Robert Jay Lifton described the strawman tactic in his 25 rules of disinformation (paraphrased here)
"Use a straw man.
Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's position which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue and imply that it is an important point of your opponent's position, or select the weakest point of your opponent's position and exaggerate its importance and then, with great fanfare, destroy the point in a way which appears to debunk your opponent's entire position, (when in fact you are actually avoiding any discussion whatsoever of the real issues."
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RayfromUSA: Some of the "debunked" photos were actually strawman artifacts anyway. In other words they were created intentionally to be contested and then "debunked". It's a way of taking attention away from other points that can't be debunked.Robert Jay Lifton described the strawman tactic in his 25 rules of disinformation (paraphrased here)
"Use a straw man.
Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's position which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue and imply that it is an important point of your opponent's position, or select the weakest point of your opponent's position and exaggerate its importance and then, with great fanfare, destroy the point in a way which appears to debunk your opponent's entire position, (when in fact you are actually avoiding any discussion whatsoever of the real issues."
"Use a straw man.
Find or create a seeming element of your opponent's position which you can easily knock down to make yourself look good and the opponent to look bad. Either make up an issue and imply that it is an important point of your opponent's position, or select the weakest point of your opponent's position and exaggerate its importance and then, with great fanfare, destroy the point in a way which appears to debunk your opponent's entire position, (when in fact you are actually avoiding any discussion whatsoever of the real issues."
So,,,,, why again would we want to spend trillions to make a base on the moon?
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Ya know, if I weren't already involved with Goldfinger, I'd use this thread to mark off several peeps as possibly interesting. Pan has a mental list and checks it more than twice.
Lack of critical thinking and subscribing to conspiracy theories pretty much makes me say, "NEXT!"
Lack of critical thinking and subscribing to conspiracy theories pretty much makes me say, "NEXT!"
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NosleeptillStL:
What can we experiment with on the moon that can't be done cheaply on the I.S.S? The only thing I can think of is to place a huge spinning parabolic dish mirror filled with mercury there to use as a "better" space telescope. But that is a gargantuan expense, besides, the next generation of space telescopes orbiting earth would perform nearly as good as a bigger, more expensive, telescope, constructed on the dark side of the moon.
What can we experiment with on the moon that can't be done cheaply on the I.S.S? The only thing I can think of is to place a huge spinning parabolic dish mirror filled with mercury there to use as a "better" space telescope. But that is a gargantuan expense, besides, the next generation of space telescopes orbiting earth would perform nearly as good as a bigger, more expensive, telescope, constructed on the dark side of the moon.
We can't experiment at all on the moon. No manned craft has ever been there. And none is likely to go there any time soon. To really go there would require vessels with thick metal hulls, otherwise the Van Allen radiation belts would broil any astronaut crazy enough to try to cross them in a paper-thin aluminum spacecraft.
Why do you think doctors shield themselves with thick lead screens rather than risk catching even a few rads of residual radiation from a split second x-ray? Do you really think astronauts would be willing to spend something like 15 hours (both going and coming) being literally drenched in radiation moez powerful than x-rays?
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Well since you aren't going to explain faking the angle...
Care to provide a reference for the 15 hour exposure?
And that it is more powerful than x-rays?
Or do you figure just the non-thinking people should listen to you?
Care to provide a reference for the 15 hour exposure?
And that it is more powerful than x-rays?
Or do you figure just the non-thinking people should listen to you?
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RayfromUSA: We can't experiment at all on the moon. No manned craft has ever been there. And none is likely to go there any time soon. To really go there would require vessels with thick metal hulls, otherwise the Van Allen radiation belts would broil any astronaut crazy enough to try to cross them in a paper-thin aluminum spacecraft.
Why do you think doctors shield themselves with thick lead screens rather than risk catching even a few rads of residual radiation from a split second x-ray? Do you really think astronauts would be willing to spend something like 15 hours (both going and coming) being literally drenched in radiation moez powerful than x-rays?
Why do you think doctors shield themselves with thick lead screens rather than risk catching even a few rads of residual radiation from a split second x-ray? Do you really think astronauts would be willing to spend something like 15 hours (both going and coming) being literally drenched in radiation moez powerful than x-rays?
RayfromUSA: We can't experiment at all on the moon. No manned craft has ever been there. And none is likely to go there any time soon. To really go there would require vessels with thick metal hulls, otherwise the Van Allen radiation belts would broil any astronaut crazy enough to try to cross them in a paper-thin aluminum spacecraft.
Why do you think doctors shield themselves with thick lead screens rather than risk catching even a few rads of residual radiation from a split second x-ray? Do you really think astronauts would be willing to spend something like 15 hours (both going and coming) being literally drenched in radiation moez powerful than x-rays?
Why do you think doctors shield themselves with thick lead screens rather than risk catching even a few rads of residual radiation from a split second x-ray? Do you really think astronauts would be willing to spend something like 15 hours (both going and coming) being literally drenched in radiation moez powerful than x-rays?
The Van Allen belts are around the earth, not the moon. So are u saying astronauts are not up there right now in space suits shielding themselves from all kinds of cosmic radiation and neutrinos that are much more deadly than the Van Allen belts? Space walks occur because their suits shield them.
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I just logged in, haven't ready the thread, but I remember the big day clearly. Fakest think I had ever seen. I knew it was a studio recording,,,and I was only what..7 years old or so. 
I could put a suit on my dog Tucker and make a Moon landing that looks more real than that stuff did.
I could put a suit on my dog Tucker and make a Moon landing that looks more real than that stuff did.
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What I'd like to know is if NASA claimed to the news media that they lost the actual footage of the moon walk then how could Hollywood retore it? Something doesn't sound right.
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PandoraX: Ya know, if I weren't already involved with Goldfinger, I'd use this thread to mark off several peeps as possibly interesting. Pan has a mental list and checks it more than twice.
Lack of critical thinking and subscribing to conspiracy theories pretty much makes me say, "NEXT!"
Lack of critical thinking and subscribing to conspiracy theories pretty much makes me say, "NEXT!"
Those labeled "conspiracy nuts" are often not "subscribing" to any theory at all. Including and especially the "official" theories.
Of course there are some people who get off on weird tangents.
But blind faith in corrupt governments or media disinformation is about the craziest tangent of all.
Those in power do have their agendas, and they are in a position to profit by misleading people.
"Critical thinking" requires ALWAYS questioning the supposed official-truth at great length.
Blind faith in government or media sources is neither "critical" nor "thinking".
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Either way Ray, let's pretend NASA didn't know from prior missions, that there is lots of deadly things in space that humans couldn't survive without proper shielding. Wouldn't that mean that every astronaut was sent into a suicide mission? And you still didn't explain why there would "have" to be a moon base by now. I ask again, what for?
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