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Apr 17, 2011 10:39 AM CST How to beat your wife
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
solitare: Excellent! Delighted that you said that; of course the very same is true of Christianity with all its various 'denominations' going from one form of extremism to another, but sadly, most 'Christians can't/ won't see it until something happens that causes the Media to either condemn or praise it...
Many of the 'Bible extremists' are really no different from the Taliban's interpretations of Islam while the mainstream condems its own like the Taliban. We all, in a very general way are but mirrors of each other and sadly most of us will never actually get to meet or get to actually know each other, thanks in large part to the Media and the ways in which they portray us to each other.
The Media does what it can to keep people apart and put up more divisions that only encourage various amounts of hostilities; hasn't anyone learned this yet!
Hallo Christina!!


Hi Solitarewave

Well said as well.
I now Know that putting us apart is part of geopolitics, but I think that each person is able to challenge their mind. Even more in the present era where everything is accessible. Challenge their minds at least for the basic things, such as this one. Islam is not a religion of terror, terrorism, as you also put it, is not exclusive of those who practice Islam. We should start from there in order to have a better influence in our leaders. If we don't have that much of influence, we want to be at least closer, as guardians.
As Darwin puts it, we do have our natural selective devices, we don't need the media to panic and confuse us on using them.
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Apr 17, 2011 10:40 AM CST How to beat your wife
GingerBe
GingerBeGingerBeDonegal, Ireland2 Threads 3,106 Posts
Sade88: Yeah I am not sure if I liked that. I certainly did not post this thread to insult a culture or a religion, they are who they are, and it is just the way it is, but we should be aware of it, and before making a decision emotionally, we should consider these facts. That was the point of the thread.
I know that nobody's told you, but most of us are old enough, (many over 50), and informed enough, to make up our own minds as to whom we date and why..........wine
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Apr 17, 2011 10:46 AM CST How to beat your wife
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
TrueBlue1986: I agree. We shouldn't be uniform in this world. So my part of the world here in Europe, should have European culture, not Islamic culture.


As dominant, of course! And no, I don't agree on the introduction of Sharia in any form or proportion in Europe. But let me be muslim in Europe, as long as I don't interfere with the established rules. I'm not sure it's that difficult. You kill your daughter due disobedience, religion, you go to jail in a trial established for any European citizen who commits the same crime.
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Apr 17, 2011 10:49 AM CST How to beat your wife
solitare
solitaresolitareBariloche, Rio Negro Argentina40 Threads 4,041 Posts
cristina: Hi Solitare

Well said as well.
I now Know that putting us apart is part of geopolitics, but I think that each person is able to challenge their mind. Even more in the present era where everything is accessible. Challenge their minds at least for the basic things, such as this one. Islam is not a religion of terror, terrorism, as you also put it, is not exclusive of those who practice Islam. We should start from there in order to have a better influence in our leaders. If we don't have that much of influence, we want to be at least closer, as guardians.
As Darwin puts it, we do have our natural selective devices, we don't need the media to panic and confuse us on using them.




Evolution...devolution...revolution...Darwin never in his wildest dreams had any idea for the evolution of Bozosapiens...laugh
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Apr 17, 2011 10:52 AM CST How to beat your wife
Frankinstien
FrankinstienFrankinstienSan Juan, Puerto Rico1 Threads 1,521 Posts
Sade88: Yeah I am not sure if I liked that. I certainly did not post this thread to insult a culture or a religion, they are who they are, and it is just the way it is, but we should be aware of it, and before making a decision emotionally, we should consider these facts. That was the point of the thread.
Don't let them rattel you Sade, I think most people here are apprecative of your advise . They also know the difference between informed knowedge and advise as apposed to stereotyping ( well most do anyway ). I'm glad you got the message out and I don't belive in shooting him or her for it. Stick around and enjoy the funney farm here . . . cswelcome . . . . and I hope yo find someone who will treat you with the respect you deserve . . . . . .teddybear
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Apr 17, 2011 10:53 AM CST How to beat your wife
Conorco: I don't understand what all the fuss is about, these guys are discussing wife beating in a humane way, what the heck is wrong with that?
troll sick crazy
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Apr 17, 2011 11:01 AM CST How to beat your wife
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
solitare: Evolution...devolution...revolution...Darwin never in his wildest dreams had any idea for the evolution of Bozosapiens...


Nah, the world does not resume itself to Bozosapienism. It did evolve, so.laugh

Gotta have that book finished by 2012.
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Apr 17, 2011 11:07 AM CST How to beat your wife
TrueBlue1986
TrueBlue1986TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
cristina: As dominant, of course! And no, I don't agree on the introduction of Sharia in any form or proportion in Europe. But let me be muslim in Europe, as long as I don't interfere with the established rules. I'm not sure it's that difficult. You kill your daughter due disobedience, religion, you go to jail in a trial established for any European citizen who commits the same crime.


I'm glad you see things that way. Everyone non-European culture is subordinate to European cultrue whilst in European lands.
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Apr 17, 2011 11:20 AM CST How to beat your wife
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
TrueBlue1986: I'm glad you see things that way. Everyone non-European culture is subordinate to European cultrue whilst in European lands.


Subordinate is quite a strong word here.
You can have your own culture as long as it doesn't interfere with the laws. Laws are primarily the cause of friction. People hang around with whom ever they like, identify with. There are a lot of weirdos in our own culture. We were not all educated in the same way, especially in liberal sociaties. We are not all tolerant even in the most tolerant societies. Although each country has its own energy (not immobile), we ultimately become what we want to...if we have a choice.
If you beat your wife in Europe, there is no culture that should prevail to the penalization of that crime.
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Apr 17, 2011 11:28 AM CST How to beat your wife
Wow_Factor
Wow_FactorWow_FactorLondon, Greater London, England UK45 Threads 3,698 Posts
Sade88: Hi, this is a video for those of you who live in west and consider starting a relationship with men from the Middle East, no matter what level of education they have, this is how they have been brought up, and they won't change, yeas trust me on that. I thought this may be eye opening. You probably watched or heard about the movie " not without my daughter " that was based on a true story, and it is happening everyday. So please think twice

Wife Beating in Islam - No more than 10 blows!


Did anyone notice the last five seconds of the above clip. "He should not beat her like an animal or a child - slapping them right and left."

So not only do they advocate physical punishment on wives, but also equate the punishment of a child with the punishment of an animal. Why are these people so effing violent.
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Apr 17, 2011 11:31 AM CST How to beat your wife
jac379
jac379jac379pontyclun, South Glamorgan, Wales UK25 Threads 3 Polls 12,293 Posts
Wow_Factor: Did anyone notice the last five seconds of the above clip. "He should not beat her like an animal or a child - slapping them right and left."

So not only do they advocate physical punishment on wives, but also equate the punishment of a child with the punishment of an animal. Why are these people so effing violent.


Which people?

I only saw one person talking in the clip.
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Apr 17, 2011 11:51 AM CST How to beat your wife
TrueBlue1986
TrueBlue1986TrueBlue1986Sale, South Manchester, Cheshire, England UK1,322 Posts
cristina: The end of multiculturalism? Which part of multiculturalism affects your daily life?


The sphere of influence multiculturalism includes;

Every job interview.
Every piece of bureaucracy.
Social housing.
Education.
Benefits.
Media.
Birth rates.
Political correctness.
Social/Community relations.
Cultural "awareness" doctrines.
Consumer rights.

I'm sure I could go on.
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Apr 17, 2011 11:56 AM CST How to beat your wife
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
cristina: And in the NL, not before the 80's was it criminalizes-law wise- to beat a woman.


They'e only just catching up here in Spain ... Only in the last couple of years have the laws been stopped being leanient towards men abusers and "systems of protection for women" put in place ... as well as "training" for the police force to implement the new guidelines etc ...
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Apr 17, 2011 12:07 PM CST How to beat your wife
solitare
solitaresolitareBariloche, Rio Negro Argentina40 Threads 4,041 Posts
TrueBlue1986: Your civil liberties are safeguarded in law as long as you remain the majority. Learn from Europe, if Islam takes to America as it has done to Europe you will one day become the minority. Democracy and law will then act against your interests and your culture.






Unfortunately, any form of democracy does not and cannot by definition allow for any one culture to remain dominant but does encourage the demise of one...
The homogeneous Europeans of England, as with the rest of Europe as a whole still far outnumber both the converted and migrant population that have come into the European zone/ countries. The noxious form of democracy that would allow the majority to suffer the loss of their historic and cultural heritage must then change...evolve into something that will guarantee our common heritage. If History has taught us anything about cultural survival it was during 11th century Spain's Crusade to liberate its land from the Moors and come to 'an arrangement' that was of mutual satisfaction to both peoples. Valencia became the first truly integrated European city in Europe between Muslims and Christians, as did Salamanca and others. Baring the human predisposition for greed and power by a few Monarchs, it could have and would have remained as a good example in how to integrate and yet leave European culture, dominance and heritage intact, to the mutual guarantees of people's rights and obligations under the peace that was agreed to. Perhaps, now, more than ever, that situation should should be more closely examined and the ideas of both ecumenical and ecclesiastic courts be re thought to deal with all religious matters with perhaps 'legal advisers' from both Rome and Mecca...
Both Muslims and Christians as a general rule have great respect for Law, be it civil or Religious; in most Muslim countries it is the leaders that do not and we are seeing the civil disturbances as a general result of their rule and secular minded despotism in basically ignoring their peoples and their Koran. Their peoples are sick of it and want change, now, not later, down the road sometime. We cannot find fault in their aspirations to progress out of dictatorial rule.
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Apr 17, 2011 12:15 PM CST How to beat your wife
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
Conorco: I'm not joking at all, I don't condone violence of any kind but maybe the muslim system is more practical and favorable to women than ours in that they recognize that some men will beat their wife's and legislate to control the level of that beating. If a man breaks their laws maybe (i don't know) they enforce the penalty for breaking the law.

If as it seems they adhere to the Koran then they probably do punish men or men who do beat their wife's do it by the book i.e a humane beating (maybe the word beating is not appropriate maybe its akin to how kids are chastised). How many western women still beat their kids and feel justified in doing so?

On the other hand the west outlaws it completely yet it still goes, again I don't know but I imagine when it does go on its a full blooded assault and i'd say very few cases end up in court.

So if I was a woman living with a wife beater i'd prefer to be a muslim or that he was.


Might you be a little confused Conor?

Yes domestic violence still exists in the West. There are laws to chastise domestic violence from BOTH men AND women in the West. And yes if the victim goes ahead and puts in an official complaint it WILL go to court. It is simply illigal to assault someone.

Now in some countries, it is legal for MEN to assault WOMEN "a little bit" within certain guidelines ...

And you are saying that at least the physical damage is minimised thanks to those "welcome guidelines". Bearing in mind that those "allowed beatings" can be administered for a simple "desobidience" like going to visit a sister when she was told she wasn't allowed to ...

You are also saying that since violence occurs in the west anyway why not have those "beating guidelines" in place to contain it? Yeah?

How about this then ...
Since armed robbery still goes on in the west, even though it's illigal, why don't they (the law) put in place "robbing guidelines" that allow "a little bit of robbing" then the robbers won't feel compelled to shoot their victims to elliminate witnesses dunno
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Apr 17, 2011 12:17 PM CST How to beat your wife
EagleWoman
EagleWomanEagleWomanMalaga, Andalusia Spain22 Threads 4,719 Posts
blarneykite: How to beat your wife? Regularly and with a big stick Rather amazingly in excess of 60% of domestic violence incidents are started by WOMEN


Where?
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Apr 17, 2011 12:21 PM CST How to beat your wife
Sade88
Sade88Sade88s, Quebec Canada6 Threads 207 Posts
GingerBe: I know that nobody's told you, but most of us are old enough, (many over 50), and informed enough, to make up our own minds as to whom we date and why..........
Wow that is a very smart respond to a thread that is meant to give people information. You are a noble.
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Apr 17, 2011 12:23 PM CST How to beat your wife
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
TrueBlue1986: The sphere of influence multiculturalism includes;

Every job interview.
Every piece of bureaucracy.
Social housing.
Education.
Benefits.
Media.
Birth rates.
Political correctness.
Social/Community relations.
Cultural "awareness" doctrines.
Consumer rights.

I'm sure I could go on.


Is there any significant "formal act" benefiting the condition of being muslim in your disadvantage?
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Apr 17, 2011 12:24 PM CST How to beat your wife
Conorco
ConorcoConorcoMaynooth, Kildare Ireland646 Posts
EagleWoman: Might you be a little confused Conor?

Yes domestic violence still exists in the West. There are laws to chastise domestic violence from BOTH men AND women in the West. And yes if the victim goes ahead and puts in an official complaint it WILL go to court. It is simply illigal to assault someone.

Now in some countries, it is legal for MEN to assault WOMEN "a little bit" within certain guidelines ...

And you are saying that at least the physical damage is minimised thanks to those "welcome guidelines". Bearing in mind that those "allowed beatings" can be administered for a simple "desobidience" like going to visit a sister when she was told she wasn't allowed to ...

You are also saying that since violence occurs in the west anyway why not have those "beating guidelines" in place to contain it? Yeah?

How about this then ...
Since armed robbery still goes on in the west, even though it's illigal, why don't they (the law) put in place "robbing guidelines" that allow "a little bit of robbing" then the robbers won't feel compelled to shoot their victims to elliminate witnesses


Hold your horsies there, I neither said nor implied any such thing, I was merely contrasting the two systems and concluded that if I was a woman vulnerable to a beating I'd prefer to be a Muslim female than a western one. While its against the law in the west that law is rarely upheld and so is irrelevant at least in Muslim countries if they are a s devout as we're led to believe then as a woman you stand a better chance.

I don't know what its like in Spain but you rarely hear of men or women being charged with battery here and we all know it goes on, so the fact of it being against the law is neither here nor there. If I'm to have a beating I'll have the humane beating anyday.
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Apr 17, 2011 12:25 PM CST How to beat your wife
cristina
cristinacristinaLisbon, North Holland Netherlands286 Threads 10 Polls 17,243 Posts
EagleWoman: They'e only just catching up here in Spain ... Only in the last couple of years have the laws been stopped being leanient towards men abusers and "systems of protection for women" put in place ... as well as "training" for the police force to implement the new guidelines etc ...


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