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Shell225: when I deposited $50 into a bank account run by the Christian Blind Mission I knew that I was purchasing enough rice to feed a family for a month...
I reckon I made a HUGE difference to the family who received that bag of rice after the Tsunami.
If you are starving, and in need of medical care - I think that the funds (albeit less than those originally pledged) that buy you a meal, give your child a needle, or pay for a cataract operation so that you can see - make a tremendous difference.
To say that giving to those less fortunate doesnt change anything, is wrong, and a cop out.
There are groups now that use the donations to purchase the recipient a lively hood, they may buy them a cow - the milk will feed the recipients family, and the bit left over becomes income producing; alternatively they may but a sewing machine, so that the recipient can produce and income for their family.
I go back to my comment - give a man a fish feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you have fed him for life.
I reckon I made a HUGE difference to the family who received that bag of rice after the Tsunami.
If you are starving, and in need of medical care - I think that the funds (albeit less than those originally pledged) that buy you a meal, give your child a needle, or pay for a cataract operation so that you can see - make a tremendous difference.
To say that giving to those less fortunate doesnt change anything, is wrong, and a cop out.
There are groups now that use the donations to purchase the recipient a lively hood, they may buy them a cow - the milk will feed the recipients family, and the bit left over becomes income producing; alternatively they may but a sewing machine, so that the recipient can produce and income for their family.
I go back to my comment - give a man a fish feed him for a day, teach a man to fish and you have fed him for life.
And that's the point
Brilliant thoughtful post shell
Lookin4missright: Sorry was jokin, thinking that you usually do short msgs, now use as much paper as rev,AA & rob. Can see now that this topic is a bit touchy 2 u.
sorry again shell i'll zip it
Pls accept my appology
You cant seem to win can you?sorry again shell i'll zip it
Pls accept my appology
aussielegend41: And
Yeah we dont know we are talking about hey..not as educated as you robert,we just fill the forums pages with dribble .
Karma? what has that got to do with poverty in africa and once again your getting sidetrack with religious quotes again and budhism i see further down the page.
Yeah we dont know we are talking about hey..not as educated as you robert,we just fill the forums pages with dribble .
Karma? what has that got to do with poverty in africa and once again your getting sidetrack with religious quotes again and budhism i see further down the page.
Sometimes I wonder if the study of Eastern religions and philosophies calms and fulfils people to the extent where their thoughts, beliefs and idealogies become more and more inward.
What I mean is that time spent in meditation and contemplation is good for the soul, but unless it's directed outwardly at some point and an actual Buddhist existence is led, it's mainly just beliefs and doctrines that are not necessarily acted upon and don't benefit anyone but the one practising it.
serene56: Sometimes I wonder if the study of Eastern religions and philosophies calms and fulfils people to the extent where their thoughts, beliefs and idealogies become more and more inward.
What I mean is that time spent in meditation and contemplation is good for the soul, but unless it's directed outwardly at some point and an actual Buddhist existence is led, it's mainly just beliefs and doctrines that are not necessarily acted upon and don't benefit anyone but the one practising it.
What I mean is that time spent in meditation and contemplation is good for the soul, but unless it's directed outwardly at some point and an actual Buddhist existence is led, it's mainly just beliefs and doctrines that are not necessarily acted upon and don't benefit anyone but the one practising it.
When people talk the talk, they also need to walk the walk. Otherwise they are just an empty vessel, sprouting empty meaningless words.
JMO
The thread has the words WHY written on it.
The wars, flawed belief's is the cause, if promoters of the constant cycle of wars were able to understand better would be a big step in the right direction. Teaching someone to engaging in killing is the teachings of complete idiots
The wars, flawed belief's is the cause, if promoters of the constant cycle of wars were able to understand better would be a big step in the right direction. Teaching someone to engaging in killing is the teachings of complete idiots
serene56: I'm not educated on this subject, but aren't we already providing aid to underprivileged people in this country?
Are there people here who are starving and have nowhere to turn?
Are there people here who are starving and have nowhere to turn?
yes ..our organisations like the salvos and such are so overwhelmed with needy.
I know this first hand from our young youth minister, who is also at theological college. As part of his College commitments he serves at a food bank in Fortitude Valley. Each morning people are asleep on their steps, each morning the different charitable organisations are on the phone to each other finding out who has what, so that people can be sent between them and have their needs met.
If the salvos have run out of food, they'll send everyone to the Anglican guys down the road, and visa versa.. if LifeLine have blankets, and the Anglican guys have run out, they'll send people to Lifeline... and so it goes.
I attended several evening meetings recently,on leaving the church where the meetings were, we were asked to walk quietly and carefully, as several homeless people sleep on the steps, and surrounding verandahs, and they didnt want us to wake them. (or stomp on them for that matter)
Women live in our New Farm park, sometimes they are Mums with children, if they cant get a place in a shelter then thats where they end up.
robplum: Just trowing money at the needy hasn't changed much, now there is another group of people with the karma to without food
and of course we should make charity, give food and alms to those that need, but just doing so doesn't address the underlying cause
and of course we should make charity, give food and alms to those that need, but just doing so doesn't address the underlying cause
I agree feeding the poor isn’t going to solve anything accept encourage them to breed and the world made feel guilty for more starving and the sick. To the ones the food and education does reach, grow up as pirates scammers and extortionists. How many actually stay back and use that education to help their own? Probably more end up on our shoers as refugees. Do we want to keep feeding the mouths that one day might bite the hand that feeds them?
AgentAjax: I agree feeding the poor isn’t going to solve anything accept encourage them to breed and the world made feel guilty for more starving and the sick. To the ones the food and education does reach, grow up as pirates scammers and extortionists. How many actually stay back and use that education to help their own? Probably more end up on our shoers as refugees. Do we want to keep feeding the mouths that one day might bite the hand that feeds them?
AgentAjax: I agree feeding the poor isn’t going to solve anything accept encourage them to breed and the world made feel guilty for more starving and the sick. To the ones the food and education does reach, grow up as pirates scammers and extortionists. How many actually stay back and use that education to help their own? Probably more end up on our shoers as refugees. Do we want to keep feeding the mouths that one day might bite the hand that feeds them?
Yes.
robplum: I'll try, Buddhist believe our true nature is *moving-energy (* karma).
If we try to find a truly existent self "I" we cannot find "I" other than in interdependent's the "I" Rob is from its own side un-find-able.
With our activities of body, speech and mind we are sowing the seeds of our tomorrows. We are creating merit (good, bad or indifferent) depending on the seeds that we sow.
Long time ago i took a commitment if possible to eat one main meal before two or three o'clock because my body needs food for energy. But not because of my past habits.
I had read the life history of Lama Zopa (spiritual head of the FPMT, my main teacher) and listened to an explanation given on the subject relating to the merit of having or not having plentiful food. Most humans don't. Lama Zopa spent his earliest days, scagging through rubbish to feed his mother and sister. We have food because we have the merit to have it.
Goes to Karma, we sow the seeds and when the conditions arise the seeds ripen.
I mentioned Afghanistan as a demonstration, the people there are killing and being killed, Buddhist believe that experience comes about by karma, both individual and collective Karma.
Enlightenment the goal of Buddhist people, is actualized studying the causes for suffering and applying a antidote.
Karma to have food comes from our merit field, while we have rebirth in lands of plenty, we should restrain our greedy mind and not use up our merit for food.
Moving energy is directly linked to the cause and effect of our activities including greed.
If we try to find a truly existent self "I" we cannot find "I" other than in interdependent's the "I" Rob is from its own side un-find-able.
With our activities of body, speech and mind we are sowing the seeds of our tomorrows. We are creating merit (good, bad or indifferent) depending on the seeds that we sow.
Long time ago i took a commitment if possible to eat one main meal before two or three o'clock because my body needs food for energy. But not because of my past habits.
I had read the life history of Lama Zopa (spiritual head of the FPMT, my main teacher) and listened to an explanation given on the subject relating to the merit of having or not having plentiful food. Most humans don't. Lama Zopa spent his earliest days, scagging through rubbish to feed his mother and sister. We have food because we have the merit to have it.
Goes to Karma, we sow the seeds and when the conditions arise the seeds ripen.
I mentioned Afghanistan as a demonstration, the people there are killing and being killed, Buddhist believe that experience comes about by karma, both individual and collective Karma.
Enlightenment the goal of Buddhist people, is actualized studying the causes for suffering and applying a antidote.
Karma to have food comes from our merit field, while we have rebirth in lands of plenty, we should restrain our greedy mind and not use up our merit for food.
Moving energy is directly linked to the cause and effect of our activities including greed.
I understand the demonstration of Afghanistan, are you saying Africa is in famine because of our collective karma of greed. Our collective over use of food?
I think in general what you are trying to say Rob is:
Feeding the hungry through donations alone, is a waste of money.
We also need to enlighten ppl on the effects of karma and apply an antidote.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I also agree with Shell,
You say 'Karma to have food comes from our merit field, while we have rebirth in lands of plenty, we should restrain our greedy mind and not use up our merit for food.' Then isnt it also fair to say that we should share our food, isnt a failure to aid those who suffer, actually greed on our part?
Unfortunately what happens with these famines is we all donate, they seem to come out of famine, we forget about them and it happens again in another 10 yrs or so.
But that doesn't mean we should stop doing it if, we want to.
bluejay2011: I understand the demonstration of Afghanistan, are you saying Africa is in famine because of our collective karma of greed. Our collective over use of food?
I think in general what you are trying to say Rob is:
Feeding the hungry through donations alone, is a waste of money.
We also need to enlighten ppl on the effects of karma and apply an antidote.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I think in general what you are trying to say Rob is:
Feeding the hungry through donations alone, is a waste of money.
We also need to enlighten ppl on the effects of karma and apply an antidote.
Correct me if I'm wrong.
I am trying to say the peoples karma is the reason they don't have food and it is the peoples karma they created rebirth in both circumstance
This thread is pasted under Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy, it asks WHY and referred to the hungry people in a war torn area. I responded to your question, doing so seems to have led shell to but in and criticize my answer offering her deluded understanding of Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy.
To suggest teaching people in a Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy thread, that killing is something they should engage in displays to my mind a complete disregard for the welfare of the suffering people as it offers nothing towards addressing why people suffer those sort of karmas
robplum: I am trying to say the peoples karma is the reason they don't have food and it is the peoples karma they created rebirth in both circumstance
This thread is pasted under Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy, it asks WHY and referred to the hungry people in a war torn area. I responded to your question, doing so seems to have led shell to but in and criticize my answer offering her deluded understanding of Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy.
To suggest teaching people in a Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy thread, that killing is something they should engage in displays to my mind a complete disregard for the welfare of the suffering people as it offers nothing towards addressing why people suffer those sort of karmas
This thread is pasted under Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy, it asks WHY and referred to the hungry people in a war torn area. I responded to your question, doing so seems to have led shell to but in and criticize my answer offering her deluded understanding of Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy.
To suggest teaching people in a Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy thread, that killing is something they should engage in displays to my mind a complete disregard for the welfare of the suffering people as it offers nothing towards addressing why people suffer those sort of karmas
Most of us don't check the category of the thread before we respond, and I am not responding to it in any religeous or spiritual capacity.
The thread is about famine.
I also don't think any one has suggested any of the above.
I was just trying to understand your concept of Karma in relation to famine.
But thanks for your response
I spent years traveling around the world. I also spent years studying, that doesn't mean i've learnt much but certainly have done my best to understand the nature of our shared human experience, including the Mahayana Buddhist view on the nature of karma.
I agree many people are in need of support including the basic's for life, and many are not getting it. Also that some efforts have and are being made to help people improve there life, grow food and other activities to improve there well being.
Doing something meaningful to change the cycle of suffering is something else, understanding the causes seems to me to be a good starting point in understanding why.
I agree many people are in need of support including the basic's for life, and many are not getting it. Also that some efforts have and are being made to help people improve there life, grow food and other activities to improve there well being.
Doing something meaningful to change the cycle of suffering is something else, understanding the causes seems to me to be a good starting point in understanding why.
And for what its worth Helen Clark is UN function holder responsible for the provision of finances in northern Africa.
Also i make the point the Chinese have been pouring arms into the region and are building roads right up through all of Africa to.
Also i make the point the Chinese have been pouring arms into the region and are building roads right up through all of Africa to.
serene56: Yes.
Oh don’t be like that. From the economic prospective, it is bad practice to give something away for free. Apparently it is better to throw it away then for your canned product to loose its value.robplum: I responded to your question, doing so seems to have led shell to but in and criticize my answer offering her deluded understanding of Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy.
To suggest teaching people in a Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy thread, that killing is something they should engage in displays to my mind a complete disregard for the welfare of the suffering people as it offers nothing towards addressing why people suffer those sort of karmas
To suggest teaching people in a Religion, Spirituality & Philosophy thread, that killing is something they should engage in displays to my mind a complete disregard for the welfare of the suffering people as it offers nothing towards addressing why people suffer those sort of karmas
Oh dear me, I thought this was an open thread and everyone had a right to an opinion not just you Rob.
I commented on the things you said, and questioned what you said because your 2 statements, which I quoted, were inconsistent with each other.
I trust that you've not included me as a reference to your comment saying 'that killing is something they should engage in' as I have in no way supported or intimated any such thing.
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Yeah we dont know we are talking about hey..not as educated as you robert,we just fill the forums pages with dribble
Karma? what has that got to do with poverty in africa and once again your getting sidetrack with religious quotes again and budhism i see further down the page.