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Aug 2, 2011 6:46 PM CST getting older
jem1964
jem1964jem1964Foothills of Dandenongs, Victoria Australia30 Threads 1 Polls 2,441 Posts
I suppose you know you are getting older when you realise that kids you went to school with are not only having kids, but their kids are having kids as well!

But coming from a small rural area where our high school only had a total of just over 500 pupils we all tend to keep tabs on each other even though we may not see everyone often. The grapevine has always worked well

So I was saddened to hear that one of the boys I went to high school with committed suicide on the weekend. He was a handsome fella, beautiful smile, coach to the juniors footy club where he was living and well respected.
He has left 3 kids also.

The confusion and sorrow his schoolfriends are feeling must be nothing to the utter devastation his family and close friends would be going through.

I have no idea why he took the action he did, but it must have been because he felt he had no other recourse. Maybe he had no one to talk too, maybe there was something in his future he could not face.
We will never know as he is no longer here to ask
blues

So RIP Andrew, you have left a legacy that maybe now only once you have gone can be understood.

Please anyone who is feeling depressed, or feels like they have no one to turn too, Lifeline is there 13 11 14.
Aug 2, 2011 6:59 PM CST getting older
Faithe
FaitheFaithePortland, Victoria Australia5 Threads 4,169 Posts
jem1964: I suppose you know you are getting older when you realise that kids you went to school with are not only having kids, but their kids are having kids as well!

But coming from a small rural area where our high school only had a total of just over 500 pupils we all tend to keep tabs on each other even though we may not see everyone often. The grapevine has always worked well

So I was saddened to hear that one of the boys I went to high school with committed suicide on the weekend. He was a handsome fella, beautiful smile, coach to the juniors footy club where he was living and well respected.
He has left 3 kids also.

The confusion and sorrow his schoolfriends are feeling must be nothing to the utter devastation his family and close friends would be going through.

I have no idea why he took the action he did, but it must have been because he felt he had no other recourse. Maybe he had no one to talk too, maybe there was something in his future he could not face.
We will never know as he is no longer here to ask


So RIP Andrew, you have left a legacy that maybe now only once you have gone can be understood.

Please anyone who is feeling depressed, or feels like they have no one to turn too, Lifeline is there 13 11 14.


Sorry to hear about your loss jem sad flower
Aug 2, 2011 7:14 PM CST getting older
Arkayos
ArkayosArkayosbrisbane, Queensland Australia6 Threads 377 Posts
Also BeyondBlue : 1300 22 4636



I was surprised to hear that 78% of suicides are men.


On a lighter note: the first time I realized I was getting older was when the girl on the fold out of playboy was younger than me... it has all been down hill since then...
Aug 2, 2011 7:28 PM CST getting older
Shell225
Shell225Shell225Brisbane, Queensland Australia26 Threads 8,572 Posts
sad flower Jem Im so terribly sorry for your loss, you and your community must be feeling absolutely shattered.

Sometimes there just arent any answers ...blues
Aug 2, 2011 7:49 PM CST getting older
jem1964
jem1964jem1964Foothills of Dandenongs, Victoria Australia30 Threads 1 Polls 2,441 Posts
Shell225: Jem Im so terribly sorry for your loss, you and your community must be feeling absolutely shattered.

Sometimes there just arent any answers ...


thanks all, but not really my loss, I knew him 30 years ago, I am just saddened that he saw no other way out.

And yes Shell, the community is reeling as he returned to the area, to obviously somewhere he felt safe and had good memories to end his life. Somewhere far less complicated than what he was experiencing in his life.

Thanks Arkayos for the link for Beyondblue.

I suppose I started this thread to talk about a hidden problem, one that very few of us feel comfortable talking about. And one when even though my connection to the person is so small has still left me floundering.
Aug 2, 2011 8:03 PM CST getting older
_PrOwLeR
_PrOwLeR_PrOwLeRGold Coast, Queensland Australia46 Threads 1,047 Posts
jem1964: thanks all, but not really my loss, I knew him 30 years ago, I am just saddened that he saw no other way out.

And yes Shell, the community is reeling as he returned to the area, to obviously somewhere he felt safe and had good memories to end his life. Somewhere far less complicated than what he was experiencing in his life.

Thanks Arkayos for the link for Beyondblue.

I suppose I started this thread to talk about a hidden problem, one that very few of us feel comfortable talking about. And one when even though my connection to the person is so small has still left me floundering.



Depression is an in-discriminate illness .. it can affect anyone at anytime .. It is poorly understood by many in the community and more often than not the sufferer does so in almost a silence ..

the depths of despair can vary in moments and sadly sometimes thats all it takes for someone to slip away, usually not aiming at suicide, its more just a wanting of it all to just stop .. though suicide being the outcome ...

I have lost a few friends to this illness over time and it never gets any easier ... I have a poem attached to my profile titled depression, that kind of helped me come to terms with this ilness, when I lost a friend ..
Aug 2, 2011 9:07 PM CST getting older
Martia
MartiaMartiabenalla, Victoria Australia141 Threads 1 Polls 2,888 Posts
When I was in the racing industry I know of 4 jockeys killing them selves.
I lovely guy who co wrote my daughters book threw himself in to the Yarra
River he was Sunday editor for the age going with a wonderful lady.
He had no worries and he committed suicide that really shook us up.
My hairdresser did it too he was brilliant.

They were all male, I got very depressed but got help,Why oh why their close relations will live with that for the rest of their lives.

My daughter told me about 6 months after her accident she wanted to do it as she was told she would never ride again! but then thought about what it would do to myself and my then husbandhug
Aug 2, 2011 11:48 PM CST getting older
jem1964
jem1964jem1964Foothills of Dandenongs, Victoria Australia30 Threads 1 Polls 2,441 Posts
Martia:

My daughter told me about 6 months after her accident she wanted to do it as she was told she would never ride again! but then thought about what it would do to myself and my then husband


I will admit, many years ago, when I found out my specialist was not telling me the whole truth that I thought about committing suicide, as I was putting my life in this persons hands and they could not tell me the truth. If I couldnt trust them, who could I trust?

I knew how much time I had alone, I lined the multitude of tablets out in front of me to take them. And the only thing that stopped me was I wasnt sure how long it would take to die as I didnt want Mum and Dad to come home while I was still alive, that I didnt want to live the life of a vegetable.

Years later I asked my GP to go back in my notes and tell me if I had of taken these drugs at that time would it have killed me. He replied you would have been dead in 15 minutes, I replied with well it was just as well I didnt know that way back then!

So I do understand the desperation of where the mind is at times when there seems no way out.
I will also admit I never told anyone of my thoughts and possible actions for many years afterwards.

So encouraging people to talk is one of the few ways we maybe able to prevent another life taken too soonsad flower
Aug 3, 2011 12:18 AM CST getting older
Arkayos
ArkayosArkayosbrisbane, Queensland Australia6 Threads 377 Posts
Winston Churchill refered to it as "The Black Dog". He had some very long bouts with it. There are tales of him not being able to get out of bed for weeks. (Then that might have been partially due to his love of brandy.)

I was bitten by the Black Dog, battled with it, and finally ended my life 12 years ago, but in a constructive way. (I went sailing.)Much happier now, but it is hard to see the other side when your are in it...

sigh
Aug 3, 2011 5:37 AM CST getting older
serene56
serene56serene56Myplace, New South Wales Australia543 Threads 10 Polls 27,957 Posts
jem1964: I suppose you know you are getting older when you realise that kids you went to school with are not only having kids, but their kids are having kids as well!

But coming from a small rural area where our high school only had a total of just over 500 pupils we all tend to keep tabs on each other even though we may not see everyone often. The grapevine has always worked well

So I was saddened to hear that one of the boys I went to high school with committed suicide on the weekend. He was a handsome fella, beautiful smile, coach to the juniors footy club where he was living and well respected.
He has left 3 kids also.

The confusion and sorrow his schoolfriends are feeling must be nothing to the utter devastation his family and close friends would be going through.

I have no idea why he took the action he did, but it must have been because he felt he had no other recourse. Maybe he had no one to talk too, maybe there was something in his future he could not face.
We will never know as he is no longer here to ask


So RIP Andrew, you have left a legacy that maybe now only once you have gone can be understood.

Please anyone who is feeling depressed, or feels like they have no one to turn too, Lifeline is there 13 11 14.



I think that when depression takes a hold on someone to the point where they suicide, it's from a feeling of despair and hopelessness, not necessarily triggered by an incident, by fear or by an uncertain future.

Their thoughts are all inward, the world out there ceases to exist and although that black dog has thrown them to the floor many times before, this time they just can't get back up.
Aug 3, 2011 6:03 AM CST getting older
Merriweather
MerriweatherMerriweatherAdelaide, South Australia Australia51 Threads 11,403 Posts
It's not hard to figure why people are depressed.

Financial woes
Loss of job
Illness
Working long hours
less time with family
not enough time to find quiet time for oneself,
Women becoming independent
Men becoming confused to which role is now set
To buy a house these day, two people need to work
Not enough quality home life
Living on the edge by turning to drink

probably much more... but if you mix all that up in a pot

Depression will likely pour out... sad flower


One cup of depression = a nice long holiday break..

uncertain
Aug 3, 2011 6:12 AM CST getting older
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
Merriweather: It's not hard to figure why people are depressed.

Financial woes
Loss of job
Illness
Working long hours
less time with family
not enough time to find quiet time for oneself,
Women becoming independent
Men becoming confused to which role is now set
To buy a house these day, two people need to work
Not enough quality home life
Living on the edge by turning to drink

probably much more... but if you mix all that up in a pot

Depression will likely pour out... One cup of depression = a nice long holiday break..
Well, change the linen honey, im comin home heart beating heart wings teddybear lips bouquet
Aug 3, 2011 6:13 AM CST getting older
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
In response to: I suppose you know you are getting older when you realise that kids you went to school with are not only having kids, but their kids are having kids as well!

But coming from a small rural area where our high school only had a total of just over 500 pupils we all tend to keep tabs on each other even though we may not see everyone often. The grapevine has always worked well

So I was saddened to hear that one of the boys I went to high school with committed suicide on the weekend. He was a handsome fella, beautiful smile, coach to the juniors footy club where he was living and well respected.
He has left 3 kids also.

The confusion and sorrow his schoolfriends are feeling must be nothing to the utter devastation his family and close friends would be going through.

I have no idea why he took the action he did, but it must have been because he felt he had no other recourse. Maybe he had no one to talk too, maybe there was something in his future he could not face.
We will never know as he is no longer here to ask


So RIP Andrew, you have left a legacy that maybe now only once you have gone can be understood.

Please anyone who is feeling depressed, or feels like they have no one to turn too, Lifeline is there 13 11 14.
motorcycle
Aug 3, 2011 6:13 AM CST getting older
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
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Aug 3, 2011 6:16 AM CST getting older
revealer24
revealer24revealer24Arundel, Queensland Australia62 Threads 985 Posts
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Aug 3, 2011 7:14 AM CST getting older
_PrOwLeR
_PrOwLeR_PrOwLeRGold Coast, Queensland Australia46 Threads 1,047 Posts
Merriweather: It's not hard to figure why people are depressed.

Financial woes
Loss of job
Illness
Working long hours
less time with family
not enough time to find quiet time for oneself,
Women becoming independent
Men becoming confused to which role is now set
To buy a house these day, two people need to work
Not enough quality home life
Living on the edge by turning to drink

probably much more... but if you mix all that up in a pot

Depression will likely pour out... One cup of depression = a nice long holiday break..




I think all that could cause someone to feel depressed, though depression is a lot more sinister than this ... any of the above may trigger the depression, though they usually I don’t think are the cause ..

Depression is an illness, a chemical imbalance within the brain ... the right prescriptive medication can really help stabilize the condition and sometimes with therapy can result in curing the depression ....


Its good to talk about depression openly and in a forum like this, because if one person feels its ok to speak about their depression or to seek assistance with it, then thats a wonderful thing ...
Aug 3, 2011 7:36 AM CST getting older
Toffeapple
ToffeappleToffeappleCanberra, ACT Australia22 Threads 2 Polls 1,263 Posts
Jem, good on your for raising the issue and being open about it given your own past. Many of us have been touched by suicide. I tend to think that they are happier where they are than where they were, so let it be.

Very very sad though for all those left behind.

bouquet
Aug 3, 2011 7:56 AM CST getting older
Kat1985
Kat1985Kat1985Brisbane, Queensland Australia2 Posts
jem1964: I suppose you know you are getting older when you realise that kids you went to school with are not only having kids, but their kids are having kids as well!

So I was saddened to hear that one of the boys I went to high school with committed suicide on the weekend. He was a handsome fella, beautiful smile, coach to the juniors footy club where he was living and well respected.
He has left 3 kids also.

The confusion and sorrow his schoolfriends are feeling must be nothing to the utter devastation his family and close friends would be going through.

I have no idea why he took the action he did, but it must have been because he felt he had no other recourse. Maybe he had no one to talk too, maybe there was something in his future he could not face.
We will never know as he is no longer here to ask


So RIP Andrew, you have left a legacy that maybe now only once you have gone can be understood.

Please anyone who is feeling depressed, or feels like they have no one to turn too, Lifeline is there 13 11 14.


Jem,

Kudos to you for bringing up this subject in a forum. Suicide is a taboo subject in the world today, and families are often making up other reasons as to how their relatives passed away to avoid the judgement of others.

I have personally experienced suicide - from both ends... both my uncle and my cousin have committed suicide. It is a horrible feeling... and for those closest to them you often wonder what you may have done to change the horrible outcome... The regret from not spending more time with them and realising something was wrong... :(

I have also had numerous suicide attempts between the age of 18 - 23ish... Luckily for me, each time someone has found me and I have been hospitalised and recovered... I can see that now... but at the time, I really thought there was no other way to end the depression that I felt... the emptiness, the loneliness, the fear that I was going to feel that way forever... and I got into the distorted view of thinking that my family would suffer less if I was dead, as then they would grieve and move on, and wouldn't be dealing with me and my baggage every day...

For those of you with the stats posted, yes the majority of completed suicides are male. However, there is a much larger percentage of attempted suicides being female. The logical reasoning for this is that males tend to choose more quick acting, definite methods, for example, hanging, shooting, etc, whereas women will a lot of the time take an overdose or something that takes a while to work as it is less messy.

I'm not here to give you an education about suicide, but I believe that there should be more information out there. The fact of the matter is that this IS an issue in today's society, and by sweeping it under the carpet we are never going to deal with it. I know some people argue that by talking about it we may be triggering other people into going through with a plan of suicide. I disagree, by educating the people, by making mental illness and suicide less of a taboo, we will be encouraging people to get help before it's too late.

Depression has come a long way in the last 20 years in respect to acceptance in the community, but there is still soooooo far to go... and as for other mental illnesses, the public knowledge and understanding is very minimal. So many people judge the mentally ill, which is why so many mentally ILL people do not get HELP before it is too late.

Mental illness is exactly that... an ILLNESS... people need to stop the judgement, and encourage people to seek HELP for their ILLNESS... a lot of the time, mental illness can be managed with medication and monitoring. If only the world would open their eyes, stop judging and allow these people to live to their full potential...
Aug 3, 2011 8:21 AM CST getting older
freominx
freominxfreominxRockingham, Western Australia Australia22 Threads 276 Posts
Kat1985: Jem,

Kudos to you for bringing up this subject in a forum. Suicide is a taboo subject in the world today, and families are often making up other reasons as to how their relatives passed away to avoid the judgement of others.

I have personally experienced suicide - from both ends... both my uncle and my cousin have committed suicide. It is a horrible feeling... and for those closest to them you often wonder what you may have done to change the horrible outcome... The regret from not spending more time with them and realising something was wrong... :(

I have also had numerous suicide attempts between the age of 18 - 23ish... Luckily for me, each time someone has found me and I have been hospitalised and recovered... I can see that now... but at the time, I really thought there was no other way to end the depression that I felt... the emptiness, the loneliness, the fear that I was going to feel that way forever... and I got into the distorted view of thinking that my family would suffer less if I was dead, as then they would grieve and move on, and wouldn't be dealing with me and my baggage every day...

For those of you with the stats posted, yes the majority of completed suicides are male. However, there is a much larger percentage of attempted suicides being female. The logical reasoning for this is that males tend to choose more quick acting, definite methods, for example, hanging, shooting, etc, whereas women will a lot of the time take an overdose or something that takes a while to work as it is less messy.

I'm not here to give you an education about suicide, but I believe that there should be more information out there. The fact of the matter is that this IS an issue in today's society, and by sweeping it under the carpet we are never going to deal with it. I know some people argue that by talking about it we may be triggering other people into going through with a plan of suicide. I disagree, by educating the people, by making mental illness and suicide less of a taboo, we will be encouraging people to get help before it's too late.

Depression has come a long way in the last 20 years in respect to acceptance in the community, but there is still soooooo far to go... and as for other mental illnesses, the public knowledge and understanding is very minimal. So many people judge the mentally ill, which is why so many mentally ILL people do not get HELP before it is too late.

Mental illness is exactly that... an ILLNESS... people need to stop the judgement, and encourage people to seek HELP for their ILLNESS... a lot of the time, mental illness can be managed with medication and monitoring. If only the world would open their eyes, stop judging and allow these people to live to their full potential...


Hi Kat, thanks for your very honest reply. You are young, my son is around your age, and has suffered depression since he was 16, he is now 26. He doesn't like "society" or "people", they frustrate him no end to the point where he doesn't want to be alive. He has just recently had another setback where he now has Hodgkins disease, and is currently undergoing chemo for it, however getting him to have the treatment has been a long, hard and still ongoing battle, as he feels he would rather just die from the cancer. He is highly intelligent, where it gets to the point you just can't talk to him "normally". He is also a fantastic musician, songwriter etc. I feel he is wasting his life away, but obviously he doesn't, as he hates life according to the way the rest of us live it.
Aug 3, 2011 1:32 PM CST getting older
Lookin4missright
Lookin4missrightLookin4missrightmelbourne, Victoria Australia400 Threads 24,032 Posts
Kat1985: Jem,

Kudos to you for bringing up this subject in a forum. Suicide is a taboo subject in the world today, and families are often making up other reasons as to how their relatives passed away to avoid the judgement of others.

I have personally experienced suicide - from both ends... both my uncle and my cousin have committed suicide. It is a horrible feeling... and for those closest to them you often wonder what you may have done to change the horrible outcome... The regret from not spending more time with them and realising something was wrong... :(

I have also had numerous suicide attempts between the age of 18 - 23ish... Luckily for me, each time someone has found me and I have been hospitalised and recovered... I can see that now... but at the time, I really thought there was no other way to end the depression that I felt... the emptiness, the loneliness, the fear that I was going to feel that way forever... and I got into the distorted view of thinking that my family would suffer less if I was dead, as then they would grieve and move on, and wouldn't be dealing with me and my baggage every day...

For those of you with the stats posted, yes the majority of completed suicides are male. However, there is a much larger percentage of attempted suicides being female. The logical reasoning for this is that males tend to choose more quick acting, definite methods, for example, hanging, shooting, etc, whereas women will a lot of the time take an overdose or something that takes a while to work as it is less messy.

I'm not here to give you an education about suicide, but I believe that there should be more information out there. The fact of the matter is that this IS an issue in today's society, and by sweeping it under the carpet we are never going to deal with it. I know some people argue that by talking about it we may be triggering other people into going through with a plan of suicide. I disagree, by educating the people, by making mental illness and suicide less of a taboo, we will be encouraging people to get help before it's too late.

Depression has come a long way in the last 20 years in respect to acceptance in the community, but there is still soooooo far to go... and as for other mental illnesses, the public knowledge and understanding is very minimal. So many people judge the mentally ill, which is why so many mentally ILL people do not get HELP before it is too late.

Mental illness is exactly that... an ILLNESS... people need to stop the judgement, and encourage people to seek HELP for their ILLNESS... a lot of the time, mental illness can be managed with medication and monitoring. If only the world would open their eyes, stop judging and allow these people to live to their full potential...
Jeezers Miss Kat, Hope you never try it again (suicide) just by reading your post & the way you have set it out, you seem to be a very intelligent & caring young woman. I really hope you choose a profession within this field hug as you have had hands on experience & being so young in age. (wish you had'nt, but what is done is done) I think there are numerous people that may need your help out there, now & in the future.

As i lost my best mate in 1996 to murder, i am still grieving till this day at 47 yrs of age & have never seeked help & thought that one day ill get over it? (WRONG). Like you said it only takes a small thing to trigger off your emotions (suicide). I reckon ive been pretty strong from then until now, especially when i hear s/thing as nice as this & from s/one so young.

When s/thing gets me down i live by :- there is always s/thing good around the corner.

....Thank you & pleased to meet you handshake
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