how do you foreigners see The Netherlands? (63)
Sawdust_MollyPeriana, Andalusia Spain28 Threads 718 PostsKidwell_: I think its a boring place with boring people
Maybe you're right! 
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PeKaatje: totally agree, we have district-elections in march. Hoping for the best.
Just like in Belgium Climatechange will be high on the agenda, but maybe we're going nuts about the way to speed it up , while the common people has to pay for it, the big companies are hardly paying their fair share. They claim by giving us a job they can do whatever they like.
This has to stop.
Same, same here,.. Climate is a hot topic item, but a very expensive one! Our Gas & electricity bill is very high Just like in Belgium Climatechange will be high on the agenda, but maybe we're going nuts about the way to speed it up , while the common people has to pay for it, the big companies are hardly paying their fair share. They claim by giving us a job they can do whatever they like.
This has to stop.
I realy hope that the green party don't gonna make it in May
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I haven't read this thread but as a lower middle class American with very limited resources my answer is: On TV and travel brochures!
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I've worked for a Dutch company for over 11 years. Koni shock absorbers. While I've never been to Holland I've met a lot of people from there in my work. I found them to be very intelligent, hard working, but not the warmest people on the planet. Many of the ones I've met also have extreme difficulty accepting that a person from outside their country ie an American, is smart enough to improve the design of their products.
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PeKaatje: How do you think our country looks? Are there people walking on cloaks everywhere, are their mills anywhere, how about tulips and other flowers? Are we all cycling or what?
I'm just curious, and maybe I can help to take prejudices away?
The best a middle class can get. Ordinary and conventional with keys in the bowl.I'm just curious, and maybe I can help to take prejudices away?
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PeKaatje: How do you think our country looks? Are there people walking on cloaks everywhere, are their mills anywhere, how about tulips and other flowers? Are we all cycling or what?
I'm just curious, and maybe I can help to take prejudices away?
one of the inspiring agriculture country , as well as .....Amsterdam I'm just curious, and maybe I can help to take prejudices away?
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swiss cheese?
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PeKaatje: How do you think our country looks? Are there people walking on cloaks everywhere, are their mills anywhere, how about tulips and other flowers? Are we all cycling or what?
I'm just curious, and maybe I can help to take prejudices away?
I have never been there. But it is definitely on my list. My uncle was there for the liberation during ww2. Ive always wanted to go thereI'm just curious, and maybe I can help to take prejudices away?
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MiguelUknow: I went to Amsterdam in 1998 when I was at a trade show in Germany. It was okay but I like Germany better.
In the states most of the Dutch I've met were Amish. They seem a little backwards.
The Amish are not Dutch but German MiguelIn the states most of the Dutch I've met were Amish. They seem a little backwards.
Many years ago they were asked where they were from and they told; we are Deutch, deutch? You mean Dutch? Ja ja ...........that how this misunderstanding came to be
Pennsylvania Dutch, is German
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bcjenny: The Amish are not Dutch but German Miguel
Many years ago they were asked where they were from and they told; we are Deutch, deutch? You mean Dutch? Ja ja ...........that how this misunderstanding came to be
Pennsylvania Dutch, is German
I'm not sure I would want to claim them either Jenny. Many years ago they were asked where they were from and they told; we are Deutch, deutch? You mean Dutch? Ja ja ...........that how this misunderstanding came to be
Pennsylvania Dutch, is German
Just kidding,
I always thought they were Dutch since they spoke Pennsylvania Dutch. They always called me "English"
I've know a few over the years and they were hard working talented people, but I never could understand why they chose to live like they do. But interesting to know they were German. I guess the Dutch zealots went to SA.
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bcjenny: The Amish are not Dutch but German Miguel
Many years ago they were asked where they were from and they told; we are Deutch, deutch? You mean Dutch? Ja ja ...........that how this misunderstanding came to be
Pennsylvania Dutch, is German
Nah, das habe ich nicht gewusst Many years ago they were asked where they were from and they told; we are Deutch, deutch? You mean Dutch? Ja ja ...........that how this misunderstanding came to be
Pennsylvania Dutch, is German
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bcjenny: The Amish are not Dutch but German Miguel
Many years ago they were asked where they were from and they told; we are Deutch, deutch? You mean Dutch? Ja ja ...........that how this misunderstanding came to be
Pennsylvania Dutch, is German
The Amish are a group of traditionalist Christian church fellowships with Swiss German Anabaptist origins. They are closely related to, but distinct from, Mennonite churches. The Amish are known for simple living, plain dress, and reluctance to adopt many conveniences of modern technology.Many years ago they were asked where they were from and they told; we are Deutch, deutch? You mean Dutch? Ja ja ...........that how this misunderstanding came to be
Pennsylvania Dutch, is German
The history of the Amish church began with a schism in Switzerland within a group of Swiss and Alsatian Anabaptists in 1693 led by Jakob Ammann. Those who followed Ammann became known as Amish. In the second half of the 19th century, the Amish divided into Old Order Amish and Amish Mennonites. The latter mostly drive cars as does the main society during the 20th century, whereas the Old Order Amish retained much of their traditional culture. When it is spoken of Amish today, normally only the Old Order Amish are meant.
In the early 18th century many Amish, and Mennonites, immigrated to Pennsylvania for a variety of reasons. Today the Old Order Amish, the New Order Amish, and the Old Beachy Amish continue to speak Pennsylvania German, also known as "Pennsylvania Dutch", although two different Alemannic dialects are used by Old Order Amish in Adams and Allen counties in Indiana.
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Conrad73: The Amish are a group of traditionalist Christian church fellowships with Swiss German Anabaptist origins. They are closely related to, but distinct from, Mennonite churches. The Amish are known for simple living, plain dress, and reluctance to adopt many conveniences of modern technology.
The history of the Amish church began with a schism in Switzerland within a group of Swiss and Alsatian Anabaptists in 1693 led by Jakob Ammann. Those who followed Ammann became known as Amish. In the second half of the 19th century, the Amish divided into Old Order Amish and Amish Mennonites. The latter mostly drive cars as does the main society during the 20th century, whereas the Old Order Amish retained much of their traditional culture. When it is spoken of Amish today, normally only the Old Order Amish are meant.
In the early 18th century many Amish, and Mennonites, immigrated to Pennsylvania for a variety of reasons. Today the Old Order Amish, the New Order Amish, and the Old Beachy Amish continue to speak Pennsylvania German, also known as "Pennsylvania Dutch", although two different Alemannic dialects are used by Old Order Amish in Adams and Allen counties in Indiana.
https://als.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmischeThe history of the Amish church began with a schism in Switzerland within a group of Swiss and Alsatian Anabaptists in 1693 led by Jakob Ammann. Those who followed Ammann became known as Amish. In the second half of the 19th century, the Amish divided into Old Order Amish and Amish Mennonites. The latter mostly drive cars as does the main society during the 20th century, whereas the Old Order Amish retained much of their traditional culture. When it is spoken of Amish today, normally only the Old Order Amish are meant.
In the early 18th century many Amish, and Mennonites, immigrated to Pennsylvania for a variety of reasons. Today the Old Order Amish, the New Order Amish, and the Old Beachy Amish continue to speak Pennsylvania German, also known as "Pennsylvania Dutch", although two different Alemannic dialects are used by Old Order Amish in Adams and Allen counties in Indiana.
In the language they most likely originally spoke!
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hey Conrad, how's your state, Alabama
and studecar, from Oklahoma? good joke
and studecar, from Oklahoma?
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When I think of the Netherlands, the first thing to comes to mind is the so -called "euthanasia" of infants and young children without their consent. The same goes for Belgium. This is why I would never visit either of these countries.
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charles_nz: When I think of the Netherlands, the first thing to comes to mind is the so -called "euthanasia" of infants and young children without their consent. The same goes for Belgium. This is why I would never visit either of these countries.
We don't do euthanasia on children or infants, only when they are very ill and there is no hope and they are suffering from pain. And then the parents still have to agree.
My father had a declaration for euthanasia when he would become deadly ill. but on his dying bed he was to far gone, because even with the declaration, at the moment you have to say yes or no. And if you can't, then the doctor isn't allowed to euthanize. If he does he can be prosecuted.
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PeKaatje: We don't do euthanasia on children or infants, only when they are very ill and there is no hope and they are suffering from pain. And then the parents still have to agree.
My father had a declaration for euthanasia when he would become deadly ill. but on his dying bed he was to far gone, because even with the declaration, at the moment you have to say yes or no. And if you can't, then the doctor isn't allowed to euthanize. If he does he can be prosecuted.
Any form of "euthanasia" scares the living daylights out of me, and speaks to the Culture of Death that has sadly infected the West.My father had a declaration for euthanasia when he would become deadly ill. but on his dying bed he was to far gone, because even with the declaration, at the moment you have to say yes or no. And if you can't, then the doctor isn't allowed to euthanize. If he does he can be prosecuted.
In Belgium and the Netherlands, they have given up any pretence that it is "voluntary" and children can now be put to death on the say-so of their parents.
Shudders.
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Ik ben nooit naar Nederland geweest maar ik vind uw land zeer mooi en interessant.
Als ik aan Nederland denk.komt dan in mijn kop:cultuur,tulpen,Van Gogh,Rembrandt,Arjen Robben,Johan Cruyff,de grachten Gordel enz
De architecture van de huizen is zeer interessant hoor
Ik hoop dat ik in de toekomst naartoe ga
Ik wil mensen ontmoeten om mijn Nederlands te verbeteren
Grootjes!
Als ik aan Nederland denk.komt dan in mijn kop:cultuur,tulpen,Van Gogh,Rembrandt,Arjen Robben,Johan Cruyff,de grachten Gordel enz
De architecture van de huizen is zeer interessant hoor
Ik hoop dat ik in de toekomst naartoe ga
Ik wil mensen ontmoeten om mijn Nederlands te verbeteren
Grootjes!
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charles_nz: Any form of "euthanasia" scares the living daylights out of me, and speaks to the Culture of Death that has sadly infected the West.
In Belgium and the Netherlands, they have given up any pretence that it is "voluntary" and children can now be put to death on the say-so of their parents.
Shudders.
It shudders me when people left there child suffering tremendously pain, suffering enormously in a hopeless situation in which no cure is possible.In Belgium and the Netherlands, they have given up any pretence that it is "voluntary" and children can now be put to death on the say-so of their parents.
Shudders.
In the first place, the minor must be judicious. The law does not specify a minimum age. As in the Patient Rights Act, the 'mental age' of the minor will be decisive. A juvenile psychiatrist or psychologist has to check whether the child is capable and able to assess the consequences of his request.
Secondly, the minor must be in a medical, hopeless state of persistent and unbearable physical suffering (psychological suffering is excluded) that can not be mitigated and will result in death within the foreseeable future (= terminal being ie suffering from an expired and progressive disease). The attending physician must consult an independent physician who must also express his views on the medical condition of the minor.
The third condition is that the request must be voluntary, considered and repeated. The request must therefore have come about without external pressure. The attending physician must inform the minor about his state of health and life expectancy, about the remaining therapeutic options and about possible palliative care and its consequences. The request must be made in writing.
As a fourth condition, the law states that the attending physician discusses all medical information about the minor's illness with the parents (or legal representative). The doctor must verify that they agree with the request of the minor patient. This agreement must be recorded in writing.
After the physician has treated the request of the patient, psychological assistance is offered to the minor and his family.
I call this humanity.
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Sawdust_Molly: It shudders me when people left there child suffering tremendously pain, suffering enormously in a hopeless situation in which no cure is possible.
In the first place, the minor must be judicious. The law does not specify a minimum age. As in the Patient Rights Act, the 'mental age' of the minor will be decisive. A juvenile psychiatrist or psychologist has to check whether the child is capable and able to assess the consequences of his request.
Secondly, the minor must be in a medical, hopeless state of persistent and unbearable physical suffering (psychological suffering is excluded) that can not be mitigated and will result in death within the foreseeable future (= terminal being ie suffering from an expired and progressive disease). The attending physician must consult an independent physician who must also express his views on the medical condition of the minor.
The third condition is that the request must be voluntary, considered and repeated. The request must therefore have come about without external pressure. The attending physician must inform the minor about his state of health and life expectancy, about the remaining therapeutic options and about possible palliative care and its consequences. The request must be made in writing.
As a fourth condition, the law states that the attending physician discusses all medical information about the minor's illness with the parents (or legal representative). The doctor must verify that they agree with the request of the minor patient. This agreement must be recorded in writing.
After the physician has treated the request of the patient, psychological assistance is offered to the minor and his family.
I call this humanity.
In the first place, the minor must be judicious. The law does not specify a minimum age. As in the Patient Rights Act, the 'mental age' of the minor will be decisive. A juvenile psychiatrist or psychologist has to check whether the child is capable and able to assess the consequences of his request.
Secondly, the minor must be in a medical, hopeless state of persistent and unbearable physical suffering (psychological suffering is excluded) that can not be mitigated and will result in death within the foreseeable future (= terminal being ie suffering from an expired and progressive disease). The attending physician must consult an independent physician who must also express his views on the medical condition of the minor.
The third condition is that the request must be voluntary, considered and repeated. The request must therefore have come about without external pressure. The attending physician must inform the minor about his state of health and life expectancy, about the remaining therapeutic options and about possible palliative care and its consequences. The request must be made in writing.
As a fourth condition, the law states that the attending physician discusses all medical information about the minor's illness with the parents (or legal representative). The doctor must verify that they agree with the request of the minor patient. This agreement must be recorded in writing.
After the physician has treated the request of the patient, psychological assistance is offered to the minor and his family.
I call this humanity.
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