Euthanasia Debate in Spain (154)

Apr 5, 2019 7:36 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
A 70-year old man was recently arrested for having assisted his terminally ill wife to suicide.

She had suffered from MS for 30 years and the last few months had become for her unbearable, during which time her husband had been the sole carer.

After giving her an overdose of sodium pentobarbital, he called the police and was arrested, but found not guilty of homicide and released yesterday, a day later.

Because of the upcoming elections, this case has become politicized.

However, there are many such cases - not only in Spain - but worldwide. sigh

What are your views on this?
Someone dying in diginity.... or... perhaps persuaded to die for inheritance? hmmm

Very difficult questions to be considered...dunno

Please feel free to discuss. conversing
Apr 5, 2019 7:41 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
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Apr 5, 2019 7:57 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
daniela777: https://elpais.com › In english
It seems the case you cited was dealt with compassionately, i cannot give an opinion on other cases not being in possesion of the facts and circumstances involved.

Personally I am not in fav,our of giving carte blanch to this action without many safeguards, but i have heard of doctors increasing the pain control dosage, to the the point for the pain control is fatal.

From my own point of view , my doctor asked me to sign a DNR form even though i have no illness, he said it's just a formality, I told him t stuff his formality, and changed doctors.
Apr 5, 2019 8:23 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
aries1234: It seems the case you cited was dealt with compassionately, i cannot give an opinion on other cases not being in possesion of the facts and circumstances involved.

Personally I am not in fav,our of giving carte blanch to this action without many safeguards, but i have heard of doctors increasing the pain control dosage, to the the point for the pain control is fatal.

From my own point of view , my doctor asked me to sign a DNR form even though i have no illness, he said it's just a formality, I told him t stuff his formality, and changed doctors.
Thanks Tom for your view on this important topic.

I take it you read the article in English?
Apparently...the man in question..although released...still has to face charges but...being in the middle of elections...he'll probably be get away with it? dunno


What's that form you had to sign???
Apr 5, 2019 8:58 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
Limun
LimunLimunAbidos, Central Serbia Serbia10 Threads 1 Polls 2,796 Posts
Im totally pro euthanasia
even when the subject doesnt agree to be unmechanised... professor
Apr 5, 2019 9:19 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
daniela777: Thanks Tom for your view on this important topic.

I take it you read the article in English?
Apparently...the man in question..although released...still has to face charges but...being in the middle of elections...he'll probably be get away with it?


What's that form you had to sign???
It's a DNR form, Do Not Resusticate, I didn't sign it, if I have a heart attack or serious illness they can awitch me off, ( the machine), but I have heard ofpeople coming round after weeks in a deep coma. I want to have a chance and not to be switched off by greedy relatives, so i metaphracally said, feck you , and found a more friendly doctorscold wine
Apr 5, 2019 10:04 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
Limun: Im totally pro euthanasia
even when the subject doesnt agree to be unmechanised...
Thanks Limun..
The question now...would you choose it for yourself if you had an incurable disease?

And...would you get someone to help you...If it were illegal in your country?
Apr 5, 2019 10:08 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
aries1234: It's a DNR form, Do Not Resusticate, I didn't sign it, if I have a heart attack or serious illness they can awitch me off, ( the machine), but I have heard ofpeople coming round after weeks in a deep coma. I want to have a chance and not to be switched off by greedy relatives, so i metaphracally said, feck you , and found a more friendly doctor
Ok..I understand.
I've also heard of some people coming out of a coma but...
Did they still have all their capacities?
dunno
Apr 5, 2019 10:30 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
daniela777: Ok..I understand.
I've also heard of some people coming out of a coma but...
Did they still have all their capacities?
Well i 'm not sure i'll look it up, but ptrsumably better than bring deep comatose, something to work on.dunno
Apr 5, 2019 10:33 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
If you love someone and you see her/him suffer, with no chance to get better, then you'll help that person to die, it's an act of love. And if it's criminal, well, then help them to commit suicide by putting a pot of pills near the bed and leave the house.
If the police comes you just can say that you had to go out for shopping or whatever and you just put the pills there in case the ill person needed some. How could you know about suicide plans?
Apr 5, 2019 10:33 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
aries1234: Well i 'm not sure i'll look it up, but ptrsumably better than bring deep comatose, something to work on.
I found this on guggle. ref guggle'

Usually, a coma does not last more than a few weeks. Sometimes, however, a person stays in a coma for a long time — even years — and will be able to do very little except breathe on his or her own. Most people do come out of comas. Some of them are able to return to the normal lives they had before they got sick.
Apr 5, 2019 10:39 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1BARCELONA, Catalonia Spain83 Threads 57 Polls 7,058 Posts
daniela777: A 70-year old man was recently arrested for having assisted his terminally ill wife to suicide.

She had suffered from MS for 30 years and the last few months had become for her unbearable, during which time her husband had been the sole carer.

After giving her an overdose of sodium pentobarbital, he called the police and was arrested, but found not guilty of homicide and released yesterday, a day later.

Because of the upcoming elections, this case has become politicized.

However, there are many such cases - not only in Spain - but worldwide.

What are your views on this?
Someone dying in diginity.... or... perhaps persuaded to die for inheritance?

Very difficult questions to be considered...

Please feel free to discuss.
Really the man confessed his responsability to the judge. He's free but waiting for a trial.

In Spain killing by compassion is lesser punished than homicide..
Apr 5, 2019 10:43 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
GUZMAN1: Really the man confessed his responsability to the judge. He's free but waiting for a trial.

In Spain killing by compassion is lesser punished than homicide..
Guzzie!!! reunion
Apr 5, 2019 10:46 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
Limun
LimunLimunAbidos, Central Serbia Serbia10 Threads 1 Polls 2,796 Posts
daniela777: Thanks Limun..
The question now...would you choose it for yourself if you had an incurable disease?

And...would you get someone to help you...If it were illegal in your country?
Im completely honest and serious about this
choosing a quick dead over months in pain? or shitting myself unable to take care of myself? -quick dead ,any day of the week
I would prefer to do it myself , if Im able or ,if not , anyone -
somehow that makes more sense to me
Apr 5, 2019 11:09 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
GUZMAN1
GUZMAN1GUZMAN1BARCELONA, Catalonia Spain83 Threads 57 Polls 7,058 Posts
Kaybee50: Guzzie!!!
cheers cheers hug hug

teddybear lips

A nice surprise after a while
Apr 5, 2019 11:11 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
daniela777: A 70-year old man was recently arrested for having assisted his terminally ill wife to suicide.

She had suffered from MS for 30 years and the last few months had become for her unbearable, during which time her husband had been the sole carer.

After giving her an overdose of sodium pentobarbital, he called the police and was arrested, but found not guilty of homicide and released yesterday, a day later.

Because of the upcoming elections, this case has become politicized.

However, there are many such cases - not only in Spain - but worldwide.

What are your views on this?
Someone dying in diginity.... or... perhaps persuaded to die for inheritance?

Very difficult questions to be considered...

Please feel free to discuss.
I wouldn't like to be bed ridden. I'm pro.
Apr 5, 2019 11:18 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
aries1234: Well i 'm not sure i'll look it up, but ptrsumably better than bring deep comatose, something to work on.
Something to think about hey?
Apr 5, 2019 11:22 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
PeKaatje: If you love someone and you see her/him suffer, with no chance to get better, then you'll help that person to die, it's an act of love. And if it's criminal, well, then help them to commit suicide by putting a pot of pills near the bed and leave the house.
If the police comes you just can say that you had to go out for shopping or whatever and you just put the pills there in case the ill person needed some. How could you know about suicide plans?
I agree with you here.

In the case of that man...most people said he did it as an act of love after looking after his wife 24/7 for 30 years.

As for leaving some pills by the side of the bed it only works if the patient is not paralysed.

I believe many doctors tend to do that too.
Apr 5, 2019 11:25 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
aries1234: I found this on guggle. ref guggle'

Usually, a coma does not last more than a few weeks. Sometimes, however, a person stays in a coma for a long time — even years — and will be able to do very little except breathe on his or her own. Most people do come out of comas. Some of them are able to return to the normal lives they had before they got sick.
I see...interesting..hmmm..
But...there's no guarantee is there?

What about in the case of brain damage? The person could be brain dead?
Apr 5, 2019 11:25 AM CST Euthanasia Debate in Spain
aries1234: It's a DNR form, Do Not Resusticate, I didn't sign it, if I have a heart attack or serious illness they can awitch me off, ( the machine), but I have heard ofpeople coming round after weeks in a deep coma. I want to have a chance and not to be switched off by greedy relatives, so i metaphracally said, feck you , and found a more friendly doctor
I thought you told everyone that an irrevocable DNR was established for you when you slid out of the oven some 100 years agao. confused
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