RobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK4,553 posts
opalbeauty: I think the Somalies need help now robbie. Why don't you advocate to your PM to help them.
I believe we do already, and i believe our pm called for wiping of thirld world debt unless i'm not mistaken, and we seem to have a large Somalian community in the UK.We havent even deported the criminal ones we have here for some reason.
You assert we as an individual country should help them? why? Perhaps the UN should be involved like last time.After all when the loonies all went mad it didnt stop them murdering their own Muslim brothers, they saw UN and opened fire, didn't matter they were Pakistani's.
Life is cheap in some parts of the world, and after that many years of them killing each other the poor population left in the middle is left without infrastructure to support itself.
These are the cases for the UN to deal with, or theres no point having a UN.
I believe we supply enough combat troops to the UN as well, theres only so much a small country like the UK can do? Then again i'm not trying to score cheap points.
The UN is where this should be taken care fom as should anywhere on the worlds problems who are members of the United Nations.
I posted a pretty interesting vid about the Clintons - I think its on page 2 or three by now and theres a lot of stuff like this in there !
Hi Trish wow!!!!! You surely did on a thread you made earlier. Interesting link that one was and I am sure there is a lot a bout Mdam DC to get soon as well.
Please feel free to post in here nad feel free to post links as well.
I like it when people at least, can read and see by them selves, and if they are not effected by those....then the problem is theirs only!
Honestly I’m not sure where your information is coming from HSD but Michigan and Florida were Clinton’s states heres the tally
Michigan … Clinton had 55% of the vote with 69 Delegates pledges to her. Obama had none from this state Florida … Clinton had 50% with 105 pledged Delegates. Obama had 33% with 67 pledged Delegates He has won the Democratic primary, but did not win Michigan or Florida
And to add to your headache now the issue of his religious background is coming up again with questions like why he refuses to place his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance, or the National Anthem.
Shadow_lover: Honestly I’m not sure where your information is coming from HSD but Michigan and Florida were Clinton’s states heres the tally
Michigan … Clinton had 55% of the vote with 69 Delegates pledges to her. Obama had none from this state Florida … Clinton had 50% with 105 pledged Delegates. Obama had 33% with 67 pledged Delegates He has won the Democratic primary, but did not win Michigan or Florida
And to add to your headache now the issue of his religious background is coming up again with questions like why he refuses to place his hand over his heart during the Pledge of Allegiance, or the National Anthem.
Sure Obama had none from Michigan.......
He was not even on the ballot you see?
I am really happy Hillary Clinton is out .....now a real good politichal battle can begin........and Clinton as a possible running mate for Obama? No way.....she would be a disater!
She might be a great secreatary of heath or some thing I am sure !
Hot_Single_Dude: Sure Obama had none from Michigan.......
He was not even on the ballot you see?
I am really happy Hillary Clinton is out .....now a real good politichal battle can begin........and Clinton as a possible running mate for Obama? No way.....she would be a disater!
She might be a great secreatary of heath or some thing I am sure !
Hot_Single_Dude: Sure Obama had none from Michigan.......
He was not even on the ballot you see?
I am really happy Hillary Clinton is out .....now a real good politichal battle can begin........and Clinton as a possible running mate for Obama? No way.....she would be a disater!
She might be a great secreatary of heath or some thing I am sure !
“was setlled last night and 50 procent of the delegates from Michigan and Florida was counted and the results of that was as well in favor of Obama and thats a great releif and really well deserved.”
I was providing you with the right information and correcting your error HSD
Shadow_lover: “was setlled last night and 50 procent of the delegates from Michigan and Florida was counted and the results of that was as well in favor of Obama and thats a great releif and really well deserved.”
I was providing you with the right information and correcting your error HSD
The original post was Clinton did nothing to defend the US from Bin Laden. Did his attempt in Somalia succeed. No! But up until 911, the only reason any Americans had even heard of Osama, was because of Clinton's efforts to defend the nation from him.
And up until 911, the standard Republican line was that Clinton was making it all up, to distract our attention away from the really important scandals they were conducting against him.
911 happened after 9 months of Bush's residency, 9 months of his totally ignoring the warning Clinton's administration gave him about Osama. Right after his refreshing summer vacation in Crawford.
I'm sure we all wish Clinton could have taken care of that little problem before Osama made Bush look like a complete idiot in front of the entire world. But don't blame Clinton. Clinton would have sent a lot more troops into Alghanastan after 9/11 and he was much more diplomatic and respectful of the UN which you seem to have respect for.
Keith Olbermann , told it as it should have been told......I wish I was better in english.......my thoughts but told in a exact order and perfect english.......thanks Keith!
opalbeauty: The original post was Clinton did nothing to defend the US from Bin Laden. Did his attempt in Somalia succeed. No! But up until 911, the only reason any Americans had even heard of Osama, was because of Clinton's efforts to defend the nation from him.
And up until 911, the standard Republican line was that Clinton was making it all up, to distract our attention away from the really important scandals they were conducting against him.
911 happened after 9 months of Bush's residency, 9 months of his totally ignoring the warning Clinton's administration gave him about Osama. Right after his refreshing summer vacation in Crawford.
I'm sure we all wish Clinton could have taken care of that little problem before Osama made Bush look like a complete idiot in front of the entire world. But don't blame Clinton. Clinton would have sent a lot more troops into Alghanastan after 9/11 and he was much more diplomatic and respectful of the UN which you seem to have respect for.
opalbeauty: I posted the link the other day that the Senate Intelligence has determined that Bush misrepresented information to the public for war on Iraq. That is grounds for impeachment but it's not going to happen.
He should have been impeached a long time since, a long time - but my hopes now ride on the coming elections
trish123: He should have been impeached a long time since, a long time - but my hopes now ride on the coming elections
Hi Trish, I guess they were living in fear. Needed the people's support. They do seem to go with the polls quite often and not with their own principles. But evidence came out slowly too. Thank God we do have intelligent people who do believe this is still a nation of laws and they kept standing up to Bush. I think when they realized that administation would go as far as to oust a CIA agent to punish her husband is when many started speaking up, standing up, and waking up. Then when Libby was sentenced and Cheney should have been sentenced with him, Bush excused Libby from his 30 month prison sentence.
So the Senate Intelligence finally got the courage to investigate. Yes, it should have been done when they did they little show of an investigation on the intelligence that led to the war.
RobbieMHertford, Hertfordshire, England UK4,553 posts
opalbeauty: The original post was Clinton did nothing to defend the US from Bin Laden. Did his attempt in Somalia succeed. No! But up until 911, the only reason any Americans had even heard of Osama, was because of Clinton's efforts to defend the nation from him.
And up until 911, the standard Republican line was that Clinton was making it all up, to distract our attention away from the really important scandals they were conducting against him.
911 happened after 9 months of Bush's residency, 9 months of his totally ignoring the warning Clinton's administration gave him about Osama. Right after his refreshing summer vacation in Crawford.
I'm sure we all wish Clinton could have taken care of that little problem before Osama made Bush look like a complete idiot in front of the entire world. But don't blame Clinton. Clinton would have sent a lot more troops into Alghanastan after 9/11 and he was much more diplomatic and respectful of the UN which you seem to have respect for.
Is there actually any proof that Bin Laden even tried to attack America prior to 9/11?
Clinton had enough to worry about when "Wag The Dog" came out, and for good reason.He was a disgrace as a leader and has as about as much moral right to lecture anyone on the behaviour , well i cant thin of a modern leader caught out for being so totally dishonest.Morally bankrupt seems a fitting term.If he came to any leader to do negotiations or say follow our lead he would have been laughed out of the other guys office.
A deployment of special forces into the Bora Bora mountains could have been achieved in hours via halo jump to gain intelligence.None of this was done properly because basically it wasn't genuine.
There was no political will really, its just a way of passing on a way to get a budget.After all if he was such a risk someone would have put a round in his head in the 1980's instead of rearming and training the scumbag who will be etched on school desks accross america as boogieman #1 for the next 30 years.
So you have a nice excuse to up budgets and spending because all of a suddern you have a new enemy,one who didnt exsist long ago, one of your own making, funding and training.Now all you need to do is convince the who globe is at risk from a few men in caves in Afghanistan and then spend trillions of dollars ordering newer and more expensive toys to convince the public there under imminent attack.
The truth simply is America isnt under danger of attack every moment your all awake!! Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
If something bad happens, must be an attack, if something breaks, must be an attack, best i buy my family in connecticut a bomb shelter in case Bin laden bombs here next.......its all complete crap.
Hot_Single_Dude: Keith Olbermann , told it as it should have been told......I wish I was better in english.......my thoughts but told in a exact order and perfect english.......thanks Keith!
RobbieM: Is there actually any proof that Bin Laden even tried to attack America prior to 9/11?
Clinton had enough to worry about when "Wag The Dog" came out, and for good reason.He was a disgrace as a leader and has as about as much moral right to lecture anyone on the behaviour , well i cant thin of a modern leader caught out for being so totally dishonest.Morally bankrupt seems a fitting term.If he came to any leader to do negotiations or say follow our lead he would have been laughed out of the other guys office.
A deployment of special forces into the Bora Bora mountains could have been achieved in hours via halo jump to gain intelligence.None of this was done properly because basically it wasn't genuine.
There was no political will really, its just a way of passing on a way to get a budget.After all if he was such a risk someone would have put a round in his head in the 1980's instead of rearming and training the scumbag who will be etched on school desks accross america as boogieman #1 for the next 30 years.
So you have a nice excuse to up budgets and spending because all of a suddern you have a new enemy,one who didnt exsist long ago, one of your own making, funding and training.Now all you need to do is convince the who globe is at risk from a few men in caves in Afghanistan and then spend trillions of dollars ordering newer and more expensive toys to convince the public there under imminent attack.
The truth simply is America isnt under danger of attack every moment your all awake!! Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
If something bad happens, must be an attack, if something breaks, must be an attack, best i buy my family in connecticut a bomb shelter in case Bin laden bombs here next.......its all complete crap.
RobbieM: Is there actually any proof that Bin Laden even tried to attack America prior to 9/11?
Clinton had enough to worry about when "Wag The Dog" came out, and for good reason.He was a disgrace as a leader and has as about as much moral right to lecture anyone on the behaviour , well i cant thin of a modern leader caught out for being so totally dishonest.Morally bankrupt seems a fitting term.If he came to any leader to do negotiations or say follow our lead he would have been laughed out of the other guys office.
A deployment of special forces into the Bora Bora mountains could have been achieved in hours via halo jump to gain intelligence.None of this was done properly because basically it wasn't genuine.
There was no political will really, its just a way of passing on a way to get a budget.After all if he was such a risk someone would have put a round in his head in the 1980's instead of rearming and training the scumbag who will be etched on school desks accross america as boogieman #1 for the next 30 years.
So you have a nice excuse to up budgets and spending because all of a suddern you have a new enemy,one who didnt exsist long ago, one of your own making, funding and training.Now all you need to do is convince the who globe is at risk from a few men in caves in Afghanistan and then spend trillions of dollars ordering newer and more expensive toys to convince the public there under imminent attack.
The truth simply is America isnt under danger of attack every moment your all awake!! Time to wake up and smell the coffee.
If something bad happens, must be an attack, if something breaks, must be an attack, best i buy my family in connecticut a bomb shelter in case Bin laden bombs here next.......its all complete crap.
Who are you argueing with Robbie? Yourself. Except for you "wag the dog" right wing propaganda...oooo, that really helped a lot.
opalbeauty: Who are you argueing with Robbie? Yourself. Except for you "wag the dog" right wing propaganda...oooo, that really helped a lot.
Sorry I meant to write....I agree with what you say except for the "wag the dog" that is the right wing nut way of taking power and leading to where we are today.
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Come to think of,he did get one