Obama for president......Battle of Island Number Ten! (800)
In response to: Even in this article Ras, the answer is there. You got to read between the lines some.
Read between the lines....... clearly you still can't read.
and you don't read between the lines.. you add an entirely new story to the lines.
OK, let me break it down with a kiddie story for you..
(Lets say Florida is "little Tommy".)
little Tommy lives on a farm.
little Tommy love animals and wants as many around him as fast as possible.
little Tommy ask his mother one day, Mommy can I go out and break all of the chicken eggs open now so we don't have to wait for them to hatch?
But Mommy said hell no! if you do that we wont have any new chicks.
you must wait till it is time for them to hatch.
But little Tommy sneaks out the back door, runs to the barn and breaks all of the eggs open.
little Tommy just can't figure out why there is nothing but a huge lake of tokes. little Tommy crys because there are no chicks...
Moral of the story........ Stop crying when you choose not to listen, you are the one that made the scrambled mess!
Or do we need to go as far back as__________Run spot run... see spot run ?
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oops........ Yokes
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The Requested State Deligate Signs for the DNC in Dever, CO
August, 2008 Presidential Convention
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansaw
California
Connecticut
Delaware
Flor
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Lousisiana
Maine
Massashuetts
Mich
Minnesota
Missippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Neveda
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylanvia
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Washington
West Virgina
Wisconsin
Wyoming
August, 2008 Presidential Convention
Alabama
Alaska
Arizona
Arkansaw
California
Connecticut
Delaware
Flor
Georgia
Hawaii
Idaho
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kansas
Lousisiana
Maine
Massashuetts
Mich
Minnesota
Missippi
Missouri
Montana
Nebraska
Neveda
New Hampshire
New Jersey
New Mexico
New York
North Carolina
North Dakota
Ohio
Oklahoma
Oregon
Pennsylanvia
Rhode Island
South Carolina
South Dakota
Tennessee
Texas
Utah
Vermont
Washington
West Virgina
Wisconsin
Wyoming
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rasgumby: oops........ Yokes
Read your State signs, Ras to the DNC...nice job of democracy Ras!
Ever hear of one vote one man? Not a real hard concept to grasp.
But for Dems seem like they just don't get it.
By the way.....when you get into a knife and gun fight....
come with a loaded gun........
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ttom500: By the way.....when you get into a knife and gun fight....
come with a loaded gun........
come with a loaded gun........
Finally!! Nice to know you are human 
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ttom500: Read your State signs, Ras to the DNC...nice job of democracy Ras!
Ever hear of one vote one man? Not a real hard concept to grasp.
But for Dems seem like they just don't get it.
By the way.....when you get into a knife and gun fight....
come with a loaded gun........
Ever hear of one vote one man? Not a real hard concept to grasp.
But for Dems seem like they just don't get it.
By the way.....when you get into a knife and gun fight....
come with a loaded gun........
No need.. all I need is a bag of lime to spread over all of your manure.
Florida moved their primary up even after told no...just because they think they should have more say in earlier elections.
Keep patting yourself on the back
At least you think you are important... thats all that matters.
(you=meaning.. Fl)
Makes no dif now... it's done.
Like I said.. hope FL can get it right in the general election...... but after the screw up in 2000 and a recount. That would kinda be a shocker!
or do you want to do that 3-4 months early too?
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ttom500: Read your State signs, Ras to the DNC...nice job of democracy Ras!
Ever hear of one vote one man? Not a real hard concept to grasp.
But for Dems seem like they just don't get it.
By the way.....when you get into a knife and gun fight....
come with a loaded gun........
Ever hear of one vote one man? Not a real hard concept to grasp.
But for Dems seem like they just don't get it.
By the way.....when you get into a knife and gun fight....
come with a loaded gun........
THEN FOLLOW THE RULES "Not a real hard concept to grasp."
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Ras, want to know how I know that there is a game being played by
your DNC? Pretty simple man.
If the DNC rule committee that met yesterday, felt that the Florida Republican had 'tricked' the Democratic into this, which is what you
are saying, yes?
Then they had such an easy way to solve the it.
Just seat them all and give them all full votes.
They did not have to enforce the rules on primary date changes.
It is the committee option to enforce such rules, and if the committee
felt foul play had occurred......then....they could have done the right thing with a full vote to each deligate.
Check your Rules of Order. It is there.
You can either make special exception and can declare the a rule void if foul play or some unfair act occurs.
They did not have to enforce it. That is likely what they told the FL DNC
at the beginning. That if you get voted to the different date we will not enforce it. And why the FL DNC was so ticked off at the Dem National Committee, when they flipped on the agreement.
your DNC? Pretty simple man.
If the DNC rule committee that met yesterday, felt that the Florida Republican had 'tricked' the Democratic into this, which is what you
are saying, yes?
Then they had such an easy way to solve the it.
Just seat them all and give them all full votes.
They did not have to enforce the rules on primary date changes.
It is the committee option to enforce such rules, and if the committee
felt foul play had occurred......then....they could have done the right thing with a full vote to each deligate.
Check your Rules of Order. It is there.
You can either make special exception and can declare the a rule void if foul play or some unfair act occurs.
They did not have to enforce it. That is likely what they told the FL DNC
at the beginning. That if you get voted to the different date we will not enforce it. And why the FL DNC was so ticked off at the Dem National Committee, when they flipped on the agreement.
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In response to: If the DNC rule committee that met yesterday, felt that the Florida Republican had 'tricked' the Democratic into this, which is what you
are saying, yes?
NO.are saying, yes?
like I have said. you still can not read and what you do read... you change to mean whatever you want it to mean.
The above quoted from what you just wrote... wasn't what was said. read again....But then.. you don't have to read it again because you know what you just changed.
In response to: At least one major donor, Wayne Hogan of Jacksonville, Fla., called off a fund-raising event he was organizing for the national committee after the vote on Aug. 25. Mr. Hogan, a trial lawyer, said he would contribute to candidates but could no longer stomach helping the committee.
''They're playing into a trap set by the Republican Party,'' Mr. Hogan said. ''It's pretty much that simple.''
''They're playing into a trap set by the Republican Party,'' Mr. Hogan said. ''It's pretty much that simple.''
It was a lawyer/ fund raiser from Florida that said that. after he decided he didn't like the decision of the DNC.
just another example of people from Florida thinking they shouldn't have to follow rules.
In response to: They did not have to enforce the rules on primary date changes.
It is the committee option to enforce such rules, and if the committee
felt foul play had occurred..
It is the committee option to enforce such rules, and if the committee
felt foul play had occurred..
I got it loud and clear... it is all you keep saying.
"They did not have to enforce the rules" on primary date changes--
just because some fund raiser didn't like the decision?!
"They did not have to enforce the rules" --"They did not have to enforce the rules" --"They did not have to enforce the rules" Come back for more any time
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"They did not have to enforce the rules"
There are a lot of people in our prisons saying the same thing
There are a lot of people in our prisons saying the same thing
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rasgumby: Read between the lines....... clearly you still can't read.
and you don't read between the lines.. you add an entirely new story to the lines.
OK, let me break it down with a kiddie story for you..
(Lets say Florida is "little Tommy".)
little Tommy lives on a farm.
little Tommy love animals and wants as many around him as fast as possible.
little Tommy ask his mother one day, Mommy can I go out and break all of the chicken eggs open now so we don't have to wait for them to hatch?
But Mommy said hell no! if you do that we wont have any new chicks.
you must wait till it is time for them to hatch.
But little Tommy sneaks out the back door, runs to the barn and breaks all of the eggs open.
little Tommy just can't figure out why there is nothing but a huge lake of tokes. little Tommy crys because there are no chicks...
Moral of the story........ Stop crying when you choose not to listen, you are the one that made the scrambled mess!
Or do we need to go as far back as__________Run spot run... see spot run ?
and you don't read between the lines.. you add an entirely new story to the lines.
OK, let me break it down with a kiddie story for you..
(Lets say Florida is "little Tommy".)
little Tommy lives on a farm.
little Tommy love animals and wants as many around him as fast as possible.
little Tommy ask his mother one day, Mommy can I go out and break all of the chicken eggs open now so we don't have to wait for them to hatch?
But Mommy said hell no! if you do that we wont have any new chicks.
you must wait till it is time for them to hatch.
But little Tommy sneaks out the back door, runs to the barn and breaks all of the eggs open.
little Tommy just can't figure out why there is nothing but a huge lake of tokes. little Tommy crys because there are no chicks...
Moral of the story........ Stop crying when you choose not to listen, you are the one that made the scrambled mess!
Or do we need to go as far back as__________Run spot run... see spot run ?
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rasgumby: No need.. all I need is a bag of lime to spread over all of your manure.
Florida moved their primary up even after told no...just because they think they should have more say in earlier elections.
Keep patting yourself on the back
At least you think you are important... thats all that matters.
(you=meaning.. Fl)
Makes no dif now... it's done.
Like I said.. hope FL can get it right in the general election...... but after the screw up in 2000 and a recount. That would kinda be a shocker!
or do you want to do that 3-4 months early too?
Florida moved their primary up even after told no...just because they think they should have more say in earlier elections.
Keep patting yourself on the back
At least you think you are important... thats all that matters.
(you=meaning.. Fl)
Makes no dif now... it's done.
Like I said.. hope FL can get it right in the general election...... but after the screw up in 2000 and a recount. That would kinda be a shocker!
or do you want to do that 3-4 months early too?
Florida is a very VERY special place when it comes to election matters I may assume
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while it is presumed by some that Ms. Clintons's victory in P.R. yesterday means nothing, I would beg to differ. A win is a win! and it shows she still has momentum. Tomorrows votes will be about vengeance, I believe. Not so much as preference
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rasgumby: NO.
like I have said. you still can not read and what you do read... you change to mean whatever you want it to mean.
The above quoted from what you just wrote... wasn't what was said. read again....But then.. you don't have to read it again because you know what you just changed.
It was a lawyer/ fund raiser from Florida that said that. after he decided he didn't like the decision of the DNC.
just another example of people from Florida thinking they shouldn't have to follow rules.
I got it loud and clear... it is all you keep saying.
"They did not have to enforce the rules" on primary date changes--
just because some fund raiser didn't like the decision?!
"They did not have to enforce the rules" --"They did not have to enforce the rules" --"They did not have to enforce the rules"
Come back for more any time
like I have said. you still can not read and what you do read... you change to mean whatever you want it to mean.
The above quoted from what you just wrote... wasn't what was said. read again....But then.. you don't have to read it again because you know what you just changed.
It was a lawyer/ fund raiser from Florida that said that. after he decided he didn't like the decision of the DNC.
just another example of people from Florida thinking they shouldn't have to follow rules.
I got it loud and clear... it is all you keep saying.
"They did not have to enforce the rules" on primary date changes--
just because some fund raiser didn't like the decision?!
"They did not have to enforce the rules" --"They did not have to enforce the rules" --"They did not have to enforce the rules"
Come back for more any time
Halle looya! I love it when intelligent people telling the truth and settling matters out of knowledge, exactly as you do Rasgumby! Really you have given a true amount of positive kick a bout this Floridamatter
to any body who still does not know what really is going on a bout this one. I really appriciate this Ras
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and whether some want to accept it or not...Florida's vote is very important. On any number of levels
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rasgumby: "They did not have to enforce the rules"
There are a lot of people in our prisons saying the same thing
There are a lot of people in our prisons saying the same thing
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if you waited with an open mind...i'd answer you. But if someone were to PROVE that O'Bama was a re-incarnation of Amin....you would find a way to justify it. As I said, you don't want debate...you want a mutual admiration society for O'Bama.
The statements I have been making as of late are my views........and my views only, no need to respond!
The statements I have been making as of late are my views........and my views only, no need to respond!
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shipoker55: while it is presumed by some that Ms. Clintons's victory in P.R. yesterday means nothing, I would beg to differ. A win is a win! and it shows she still has momentum. Tomorrows votes will be about vengeance, I believe. Not so much as preference
Sure....a win is a win.
33 out of 51, for Obama
2054 pleadged delegates and Super delegates for Obama , and 1880 pledged delegates and Super delegates for Hillay Clinton.......Obama leads by 174.
But sure a win is a win ....is a win ......is a win!
Graceful Exit for Hillary???
Even her last win was not really a win win ...I mean like, talking a bout Puerto Rico where people them selves still cant vote and their participation is only symbolic and only around 22 procent of them voted symbolicly.....but still she Won Oak, What ever!
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Hot_Single_Dude: Sure....a win is a win.
33 out of 51, for Obama
2054 pleadged delegates and Super delegates for Obama , and 1880 pledged delegates and Super delegates for Hillay Clinton.......Obama leads by 174.
But sure a win is a win ....is a win ......is a win!
Graceful Exit for Hillary???
Even her last win was not really a win win ...I mean like, talking a bout Puerto Rico where people them selves still cant vote and their participation is only symbolic and only around 22 procent of them voted symbolicly.....but still she Won Oak, What ever!
33 out of 51, for Obama
2054 pleadged delegates and Super delegates for Obama , and 1880 pledged delegates and Super delegates for Hillay Clinton.......Obama leads by 174.
But sure a win is a win ....is a win ......is a win!
Graceful Exit for Hillary???
Even her last win was not really a win win ...I mean like, talking a bout Puerto Rico where people them selves still cant vote and their participation is only symbolic and only around 22 procent of them voted symbolicly.....but still she Won Oak, What ever!
Even better numbers .......and Obama is even closer to the New magic number......
2070 pledged delegates and Super delegates for Obama, 1915 pledged delegates and Super delegates for Hillary Clinton.
Obama leads by 155.......... 49 more then Finito!
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''The D.N.C. apparently wants us to campaign on the slogan of 'Make sure not a single vote counts,' '' said State Senator Steven A. Geller
Who is the DNC, Ras? Geller is a Dem here.
This all was written up after the the parties made the request to the
state to change the date.
When I heard that the parties wanted a change in the primary date,
I thought they were crazy to ask for a primary date change on a Presidential election year. Why lose deligate seats? It is nuts. read this
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Incensed by the sanctions, even though he knew they were possible when he voted in May to change the primary date, Mr. Geller scrapped plans to endorse former Senator John Edwards of North Carolina
Who voted for it in Florida senate and house? Dems did...actually both of them did. Ask a question. Why? Because they thought DNC and RNC would not punish them.
Why were they incensed by the sanctions? Find that answer and you have an answer to what I allude to earlier. They were incensed because they did not think that they would get them.
Waiting for Dude's evaluation.
Would you not run a change of primary date by your National before taking it to the floor for a vote, Ras? Sure you would and they did....both parties....the Nationals gave them tentative 'go ahead, we will not cut your deligates', then both flipped on them.
read this
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''They're playing into a trap set by the Republican Party,'' Mr. Hogan said. ''It's pretty much that simple.''
Hogan got this wrong, Ras. They were flipped by their Nationals. In my opinion.
read this
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But State Representative Dan Gelber, the minority leader, said Democrats' opposition would not have made a difference. Besides, he said, many of the state's 4.25 million registered Democrats wanted an earlier primary.
The Dem voters wanted the change and had pressured the FL DNC for it.
But to really understand this. You got to go back and find out who intiated the motion before it was brought to the floor of Florida Senate and House. I am saying both parties intiated it. Grasping the idea now?
Then got tenetative agreement with the nationals. Floored the motion and voted it in. Then the Nationals flipped on the agreement.
There were some back page new articles prior to this date on where the motion came from. As I remember (it was 20 months ago) it was both parties that motioned it. Just like the votes both supported it. I will dig around and try to find them. I thought it was crazy then, for either party to move the date and lose deligate seats. Simply did not make sense. So why change?
Even in this article Ras, the answer is there. You got to read between the lines some. The DNC and RNC flipped on a earlier unpublic and tentative agreements on this. Fearing they would have a flock of states changing dates and they would lose super Tuesday, after they gave tentative agreements to approving it for Florida.
The question to ask is why did the Nationals approve the tenative agreements? And then flip?