Should drugs, ALL drugs be available and free for anyone who wants them?................. (161)
phoenix: In a nutshell legalise it all...everything.
Most crime is drug related in one way or another. And if people want to take drugs let them.......
How many people reading this thread smoke ciggies....or enjoy a beer or glass of wine..
Alcohol and tobacco are the two most addictive drugs out there..You want to ban drugs start at the top..not half way down the list..
Holland girl good post
Most crime is drug related in one way or another. And if people want to take drugs let them.......
How many people reading this thread smoke ciggies....or enjoy a beer or glass of wine..
Alcohol and tobacco are the two most addictive drugs out there..You want to ban drugs start at the top..not half way down the list..
Holland girl good post
Thank you, I seem to understand the objections to legalize drugs, but for some reason several don't seem to understand why I favor legalization.
I have posted my reasons but people focus more on the now, of the addicted.
I totally understand this.
I am looking at this picture, what legalization would change for the benefit of everyone, later.
Less people getting addicted, that is the goal.
When the drug labs are out of business, drug dealers can stay home, no kids being used to sell, prisons being empteed, money laundering, no more need for mules, a lot of crime eliminated. etc.etc.
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Nissal: by the way you guys, Im schizophrenic and thats why I smoke. and there are people that smoke weed all their life and are still alive.
but weed didnt harm anybody.
and alchohol killed my mother also.
so how about making drinking illegal.
alcohol has killed my mother, and my good friend bo.
So maybe once people start focusing thier attention on how much more dangerous alchohol is than weed, then maybe this debate wouldnt seem so ridiculous.
but weed didnt harm anybody.
and alchohol killed my mother also.
so how about making drinking illegal.
alcohol has killed my mother, and my good friend bo.
So maybe once people start focusing thier attention on how much more dangerous alchohol is than weed, then maybe this debate wouldnt seem so ridiculous.
The focus is NOT only on weed but all drugs.
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hollandgirl: Thank you, I seem to understand the objections to legalize drugs, but for some reason several don't seem to understand why I favor legalization.
I have posted my reasons but people focus more on the now, of the addicted.
I totally understand this.
I am looking at this picture, what legalization would change for the benefit of everyone, later.
Less people getting addicted, that is the goal.
When the drug labs are out of business, drug dealers can stay home, no kids being used to sell, prisons being empteed, money laundering, no more need for mules, a lot of crime eliminated. etc.etc.
I have posted my reasons but people focus more on the now, of the addicted.
I totally understand this.
I am looking at this picture, what legalization would change for the benefit of everyone, later.
Less people getting addicted, that is the goal.
When the drug labs are out of business, drug dealers can stay home, no kids being used to sell, prisons being empteed, money laundering, no more need for mules, a lot of crime eliminated. etc.etc.
No you're wrong sweet lady. I understand what you say here but I think you have misunderstood some of the posts, including mine.
I haven't really said no, in opposition to what you believe, but I have said that there are already legalised drugs such as alcohol or cigarettes which are dangerous.
My take on all this is that we shouldn't have to deal with yet another legalised, life threatening drug. We have enough already! Alcohol, cigarettes can be fatal, they are legal therefore people use them either recreationally or to excess. The exact same thing will happen if other drugs are legalised. Maybe not straightaway but in time, for sure.
Legalised drugs anyway line the pockets of our governments at the end of the day, and as a socialist I would say no thank you. Politicians who advocate legalisation, in the main, do so because it will boost the government coffers in terms of taxation, like alcohol and cigarettes.
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hollandgirl wrote:
You should be able to buy it like you can alcohol.
Drugs are very cheap to make.
I firmly believe that when made legal less people will
start using.
Mabye not in the very beginning.
Crotalus;
It would appear that , that is true , more cannabis is smoked in London per head than in Amsterdam where it is legal, I would not say make all drugs free but I would say make them all legal , the only people that benefit from a war on drugs are the dealers , the politicians and all the people the tax payer pays to enforce the laws.
You should be able to buy it like you can alcohol.
Drugs are very cheap to make.
I firmly believe that when made legal less people will
start using.
Mabye not in the very beginning.
Crotalus;
It would appear that , that is true , more cannabis is smoked in London per head than in Amsterdam where it is legal, I would not say make all drugs free but I would say make them all legal , the only people that benefit from a war on drugs are the dealers , the politicians and all the people the tax payer pays to enforce the laws.
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crotalus_p: Thats been done
There are plenty of countries where treatment is free and readily available , it is also worth noting that addiction is often a symptom of a greater problem
He snitched . Even in countries where the death penalty is enforced it does not stop drug dealers Not really most wont seek help untill they hit rock bottom We know they wont because they have all been tried before , some one who is self destructive is going to do it with what ever drug comes to hand , that does not mean that other peoples freedoms should be infringed upon with draconian laws often put in place for the wrong reasons
There are plenty of countries where treatment is free and readily available , it is also worth noting that addiction is often a symptom of a greater problem
He snitched . Even in countries where the death penalty is enforced it does not stop drug dealers Not really most wont seek help untill they hit rock bottom We know they wont because they have all been tried before , some one who is self destructive is going to do it with what ever drug comes to hand , that does not mean that other peoples freedoms should be infringed upon with draconian laws often put in place for the wrong reasons
I'm not going to address your points one by one. I will just say that I know hundreds of people who are living proof that you are wrong on all points.
As for draconian laws, I'm not advocating that.
And like I said in an earlier post, recreational users rarely go to jail or prison. It is theoretically possible and occassionally happens when there is a horrible miscarriage of justice. But that is true with all laws. That doesn't prove the laws are bad, it just proves that the justice system is imperfect.
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onegoodguy1959: I'm not going to address your points one by one. I will just say that I know hundreds of people who are living proof that you are wrong on all points.
As for draconian laws, I'm not advocating that.
And like I said in an earlier post, recreational users rarely go to jail or prison. It is theoretically possible and occassionally happens when there is a horrible miscarriage of justice. But that is true with all laws. That doesn't prove the laws are bad, it just proves that the justice system is imperfect.
As for draconian laws, I'm not advocating that.
And like I said in an earlier post, recreational users rarely go to jail or prison. It is theoretically possible and occassionally happens when there is a horrible miscarriage of justice. But that is true with all laws. That doesn't prove the laws are bad, it just proves that the justice system is imperfect.
Plenty People here like to Talk The Talk,but have got No Idea about Walking the Walk.
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Jan1305: No you're wrong sweet lady. I understand what you say here but I think you have misunderstood some of the posts, including mine.
I haven't really said no, in opposition to what you believe, but I have said that there are already legalised drugs such as alcohol or cigarettes which are dangerous.
My take on all this is that we shouldn't have to deal with yet another legalised, life threatening drug. We have enough already! Alcohol, cigarettes can be fatal, they are legal therefore people use them either recreationally or to excess. The exact same thing will happen if other drugs are legalised. Maybe not straightaway but in time, for sure.
Legalised drugs anyway line the pockets of our governments at the end of the day, and as a socialist I would say no thank you. Politicians who advocate legalisation, in the main, do so because it will boost the government coffers in terms of taxation, like alcohol and cigarettes.
I haven't really said no, in opposition to what you believe, but I have said that there are already legalised drugs such as alcohol or cigarettes which are dangerous.
My take on all this is that we shouldn't have to deal with yet another legalised, life threatening drug. We have enough already! Alcohol, cigarettes can be fatal, they are legal therefore people use them either recreationally or to excess. The exact same thing will happen if other drugs are legalised. Maybe not straightaway but in time, for sure.
Legalised drugs anyway line the pockets of our governments at the end of the day, and as a socialist I would say no thank you. Politicians who advocate legalisation, in the main, do so because it will boost the government coffers in terms of taxation, like alcohol and cigarettes.
I can't seem to get accross what I mean to say; Make it all legal and there will be in the end less addicts.
I have put my reasons for believing on here several times. I don't know how else to formulate my meaning of it all.
hollandgirl wrote:
You should be able to buy it like you can alcohol.
Drugs are very cheap to make.
I firmly believe that when made legal less people will
start using.
Mabye not in the very beginning.
Crotalus;
It would appear that , that is true , more cannabis is smoked in London per head than in Amsterdam where it is legal, I would not say make all drugs free but I would say make them all legal , the only people that benefit from a war on drugs are the dealers , the politicians and all the people the tax payer pays to enforce the laws.
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hollandgirl: I can't seem to get accross what I mean to say; Make it all legal and there will be in the end less addicts.
I have put my reasons for believing on here several times. I don't know how else to formulate my meaning of it all.
hollandgirl wrote:
You should be able to buy it like you can alcohol.
Drugs are very cheap to make.
I firmly believe that when made legal less people will
start using.
Mabye not in the very beginning.
Crotalus;
It would appear that , that is true , more cannabis is smoked in London per head than in Amsterdam where it is legal, I would not say make all drugs free but I would say make them all legal , the only people that benefit from a war on drugs are the dealers , the politicians and all the people the tax payer pays to enforce the laws.
You wouldn't get far in a Court Of Law with all that Hearsay.I have put my reasons for believing on here several times. I don't know how else to formulate my meaning of it all.
hollandgirl wrote:
You should be able to buy it like you can alcohol.
Drugs are very cheap to make.
I firmly believe that when made legal less people will
start using.
Mabye not in the very beginning.
Crotalus;
It would appear that , that is true , more cannabis is smoked in London per head than in Amsterdam where it is legal, I would not say make all drugs free but I would say make them all legal , the only people that benefit from a war on drugs are the dealers , the politicians and all the people the tax payer pays to enforce the laws.
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onegoodguy1959: I'm not going to address your points one by one. I will just say that I know hundreds of people who are living proof that you are wrong on all points.
Do elaborate , if you can
onegoodguy1959: As for draconian laws, I'm not advocating that..
You Implied that the current laws should be enforced so yes you are , unless I have mistaken what you said
onegoodguy1959: And like I said in an earlier post, recreational users rarely go to jail or prison.
So what ?? recreational users aren’t the problem , hard core addicts and large scale dealers making a fortune because of the draconian laws that are in place are the problem
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You wouldn't get far in a Court Of Law with all that Hearsay.
You are not reading what I post.
I clarified where I learned things from.
Many sources.
Our news paper spend at least a week on the subject of legalizing drugs and why. Taking up a full page everyday.
TV , magazines, radio show talks. Talking too people.
Discussion forums. Googles and youtube. Enough sourses?
Plus I am very capable to think for myself.
To analyze things, to think further than my nose is long.
Don't believe this fable about domb blonds.
Some place on here, when having used only one sourse; etc ect. this means yes you know, other sourses. Just did not list them all.
You Sir read what you wish to read in my replies.
You are picking with me and of course I know why.
I will no longer respond to your replies. You are biased and don't play fair.
I have no probem to agreeable disagree with you but can see this does not work with you.
You are not reading what I post.
I clarified where I learned things from.
Many sources.
Our news paper spend at least a week on the subject of legalizing drugs and why. Taking up a full page everyday.
TV , magazines, radio show talks. Talking too people.
Discussion forums. Googles and youtube. Enough sourses?
Plus I am very capable to think for myself.
To analyze things, to think further than my nose is long.
Don't believe this fable about domb blonds.
Some place on here, when having used only one sourse; etc ect. this means yes you know, other sourses. Just did not list them all.
You Sir read what you wish to read in my replies.
You are picking with me and of course I know why.
I will no longer respond to your replies. You are biased and don't play fair.
I have no probem to agreeable disagree with you but can see this does not work with you.
Conrad73: You wouldn't get far in a Court Of Law with all that Hearsay.
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hollandgirl: You wouldn't get far in a Court Of Law with all that Hearsay.
You are not reading what I post.
I clarified where I learned things from.
Many sources.
Our news paper spend at least a week on the subject of legalizing drugs and why. Taking up a full page everyday.
TV , magazines, radio show talks. Talking too people.
Discussion forums. Googles and youtube. Enough sourses?
Plus I am very capable to think for myself.
To analyze things, to think further than my nose is long.
Don't believe this fable about domb blonds.
Some place on here, when having used only one sourse; etc ect. this means yes you know, other sourses. Just did not list them all.
You Sir read what you wish to read in my replies.
You are picking with me and of course I know why.
I will no longer respond to your replies. You are biased and don't play fair.
I have no probem to agreeable disagree with you but can see this does not work with you.
You are not reading what I post.
I clarified where I learned things from.
Many sources.
Our news paper spend at least a week on the subject of legalizing drugs and why. Taking up a full page everyday.
TV , magazines, radio show talks. Talking too people.
Discussion forums. Googles and youtube. Enough sourses?
Plus I am very capable to think for myself.
To analyze things, to think further than my nose is long.
Don't believe this fable about domb blonds.
Some place on here, when having used only one sourse; etc ect. this means yes you know, other sourses. Just did not list them all.
You Sir read what you wish to read in my replies.
You are picking with me and of course I know why.
I will no longer respond to your replies. You are biased and don't play fair.
I have no probem to agreeable disagree with you but can see this does not work with you.
In response to: You are picking with me and of course I know why.
Interesting!
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Harleyquinn: OK
Let's make AND keep ALL drugs illegal!!!
Of course this includes the 2 very dangerous drugs.. alcohol & tobacco. Now let the screams & squealing commence.
SHANTI
Let's make AND keep ALL drugs illegal!!!
Of course this includes the 2 very dangerous drugs.. alcohol & tobacco. Now let the screams & squealing commence.
SHANTI
I didn't really mean to suggest even beginning to waste more money to underground characters or dishonest government officials.
I, admittedly foolishly, was trying to maybe silence a hypocrite or 2
or at least open an eye or 2.
Neither could be brought under control without marshal law and anyway corrupt corporations that produce these poisons would never let it live anyway.
I just thought to maybe give a tid bit for thought to those sitting back in their chair sipping a booze of one kind or another and puffing on a ciggie shaking a tobacco stained finger at the addicts of the world who dare to choose a different poison than they.
After all they must be right cause theirs is legal?
Let alone even mention the probability that all religions and mythologies have most likely sprung from the use of mind altering substances(talk about ancient rituals of use) by our ancient ancestors.
Maybe more effort should be put into trying to end that stranglehold on societies that that has produced?
SHANTI (of whatever source you may find it)
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Hehehe... martial law oops!
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Here is the link
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Harleyquinn: I didn't really mean to suggest even beginning to waste more money to underground characters or dishonest government officials.
I, admittedly foolishly, was trying to maybe silence a hypocrite or 2
or at least open an eye or 2.
Neither could be brought under control without marshal law and anyway corrupt corporations that produce these poisons would never let it live anyway.
I just thought to maybe give a tid bit for thought to those sitting back in their chair sipping a booze of one kind or another and puffing on a ciggie shaking a tobacco stained finger at the addicts of the world who dare to choose a different poison than they.
After all they must be right cause theirs is legal?
Let alone even mention the probability that all religions and mythologies have most likely sprung from the use of mind altering substances(talk about ancient rituals of use) by our ancient ancestors.
Maybe more effort should be put into trying to end that stranglehold on societies that that has produced? SHANTI (of whatever source you may find it)
I, admittedly foolishly, was trying to maybe silence a hypocrite or 2
or at least open an eye or 2.
Neither could be brought under control without marshal law and anyway corrupt corporations that produce these poisons would never let it live anyway.
I just thought to maybe give a tid bit for thought to those sitting back in their chair sipping a booze of one kind or another and puffing on a ciggie shaking a tobacco stained finger at the addicts of the world who dare to choose a different poison than they.
After all they must be right cause theirs is legal?
Let alone even mention the probability that all religions and mythologies have most likely sprung from the use of mind altering substances(talk about ancient rituals of use) by our ancient ancestors.
Maybe more effort should be put into trying to end that stranglehold on societies that that has produced? SHANTI (of whatever source you may find it)
I heard ya Mr Charlie
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OK Trish.
So, What was the point of asking me what my degree was in?
Where did I say I blame anyone or anything for the decisions I made?
What makes you think I am wallowing in self pity?
What makes you think I am not moving on with my life?
Who, exactly, is laying guilt trips?
And I stick by statement that if you think that the marijuana available today is not more potent than what was commonly available in the 60's and 70's then either your tolerance has increased or you need to find a better connection.
So, What was the point of asking me what my degree was in?
Where did I say I blame anyone or anything for the decisions I made?
What makes you think I am wallowing in self pity?
What makes you think I am not moving on with my life?
Who, exactly, is laying guilt trips?
And I stick by statement that if you think that the marijuana available today is not more potent than what was commonly available in the 60's and 70's then either your tolerance has increased or you need to find a better connection.
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onegoodguy1959: OK Trish.
So, What was the point of asking me what my degree was in?
Where did I say I blame anyone or anything for the decisions I made?
What makes you think I am wallowing in self pity?
What makes you think I am not moving on with my life?
Who, exactly, is laying guilt trips?
And I stick by statement that if you think that the marijuana available today is not more potent than what was commonly available in the 60's and 70's then either your tolerance has increased or you need to find a better connection.
So, What was the point of asking me what my degree was in?
Where did I say I blame anyone or anything for the decisions I made?
What makes you think I am wallowing in self pity?
What makes you think I am not moving on with my life?
Who, exactly, is laying guilt trips?
And I stick by statement that if you think that the marijuana available today is not more potent than what was commonly available in the 60's and 70's then either your tolerance has increased or you need to find a better connection.
OK - for a start, my tolerance never 'increased' simply cos I object to doing this every day - accordingly, each experience has been taken on its own merits as opposed to a continuum........
there was nothing eerie in asking what your degree is in - im simply curious to know everybodies background stance of their questioning....
maybe it was an assumption that you opportion blame - thats not for me to be certain of and I heartfully apologise if I got that wrong
same with self pity and moving on with your life........
guilt trips? I have nothing to gain cos Im pretty self assured nowadays so once more - I suggest a little introspection as opposed to laying your stuff at my doorstep...........
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onegoodguy1959: OK Trish.
So, What was the point of asking me what my degree was in?
Where did I say I blame anyone or anything for the decisions I made?
What makes you think I am wallowing in self pity?
What makes you think I am not moving on with my life?
Who, exactly, is laying guilt trips?
And I stick by statement that if you think that the marijuana available today is not more potent than what was commonly available in the 60's and 70's then either your tolerance has increased or you need to find a better connection.
So, What was the point of asking me what my degree was in?
Where did I say I blame anyone or anything for the decisions I made?
What makes you think I am wallowing in self pity?
What makes you think I am not moving on with my life?
Who, exactly, is laying guilt trips?
And I stick by statement that if you think that the marijuana available today is not more potent than what was commonly available in the 60's and 70's then either your tolerance has increased or you need to find a better connection.
I'm sorry, but this is nonesense.
In the sixties, seventies and into the eighties
nearly all marijuana available, in the Uk at least,
was 'imported' mainly by individuals from all
corners of the globe, The very best didn't
generally find its way onto the streets but was
kind of passed around.
Sometime during the late eighties organised
crime became involved, mainly due to some
independant smugglers sharing their stories
with hardened criminals whilst serving their
time.
The bank robbers/villains saw the money making
opportunities and took over almost entirely the
importation of marijuana into the Uk.
With this came the adulterated 'Euro hash' mixed
with all manner of additives.
Some genuine hash does get through, but rarely
to be seen on the streets, more likely to be shared
amongst a select few.
So, now we have skunk weed, ten times stronger
anything thats gone before, if we are to believe
many of the alarmists.
Well my friend, I can tell you, and so can Trish,
smoke has always been around that would blow
yer friggin head off.
There is nothing you can enlighten us on when it
come to whacky baccy!!!!
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bodleing: I'm sorry, but this is nonesense.
In the sixties, seventies and into the eighties
nearly all marijuana available, in the Uk at least,
was 'imported' mainly by individuals from all
corners of the globe, The very best didn't
generally find its way onto the streets but was
kind of passed around.
Sometime during the late eighties organised
crime became involved, mainly due to some
independant smugglers sharing their stories
with hardened criminals whilst serving their
time.
The bank robbers/villains saw the money making
opportunities and took over almost entirely the
importation of marijuana into the Uk.
With this came the adulterated 'Euro hash' mixed
with all manner of additives.
Some genuine hash does get through, but rarely
to be seen on the streets, more likely to be shared
amongst a select few.
So, now we have skunk weed, ten times stronger
anything thats gone before, if we are to believe
many of the alarmists.
Well my friend, I can tell you, and so can Trish,
smoke has always been around that would blow
yer friggin head off.
There is nothing you can enlighten us on when it
come to whacky baccy!!!!
In the sixties, seventies and into the eighties
nearly all marijuana available, in the Uk at least,
was 'imported' mainly by individuals from all
corners of the globe, The very best didn't
generally find its way onto the streets but was
kind of passed around.
Sometime during the late eighties organised
crime became involved, mainly due to some
independant smugglers sharing their stories
with hardened criminals whilst serving their
time.
The bank robbers/villains saw the money making
opportunities and took over almost entirely the
importation of marijuana into the Uk.
With this came the adulterated 'Euro hash' mixed
with all manner of additives.
Some genuine hash does get through, but rarely
to be seen on the streets, more likely to be shared
amongst a select few.
So, now we have skunk weed, ten times stronger
anything thats gone before, if we are to believe
many of the alarmists.
Well my friend, I can tell you, and so can Trish,
smoke has always been around that would blow
yer friggin head off.
There is nothing you can enlighten us on when it
come to whacky baccy!!!!
Hey Gra.........
they were the days huh
We have always had extraordinary weeds doing the rounds, Thai temple balls, lebanese gold - cant remember what that stuff was called that was grass but it was red from the dried resin it contained - it was lovely anyway..........
Ive tried a lot of the stuff on the streets currently and its no better nor worse than the stuff of yesteryear - nothing to write home about anyway - unless you consider that stuff that came from blackburn last yr - that was exceptionaly nice - that could of course be down to the fact that I had an envelope full of it and smoked it all week
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Yes, from what little I know, not being a pot smoker personally. However my two brothers are and have been for over twenty years, so I'm not totally out of the loop here. they are not addicts and it hasn't affected their lives outwardly at least. Just like people who go out drinking at the weekend.
I didn't single out this habit as an evil which should be banned did I? I linked it with acceptable drugs such as ciggies and alcohol.
All I was trying to say is that I don't believe that the world will be a better place with one more legalised drug.
You see, there are sensible users, perhaps like yourself and others, just as there are sensible users of alcohol, but there are abusers too and if it is made easier to obtain there will be addicts which is why we have alcoholics and smokers who cannot, or find it difficult to quit.
Any drug is addictive if it abused, including pot, whether you like it or not.
Sorry Jan, maybe I was being a bit 'flippant'
Anyway, its friday night and with all this talk of drugs,
I'm off down the pub....for some government drugs.