ttom500: We saw how well Obama vision for out economy went. Why should we trust his judgement on our healthcare?
Just because good old Europe has it?
Good old Europe right now is into debt to good old Europe's ever loving kister. Austerity riots in Greece remember?
All Obama care is wealth redistribution under a different guise anyways. The 40% that don't pay taxes pick up a new government benefit that the 60% that do pay tax pay don't.
Obamacare lost me when it could not pay for special needs kids. Here the 40% that did not pay taxes were getting a new benefit, but the special need kids.....that really need health coverage and more benefits were iced out of the program. Dear old Teddy Kennedy that on his death bed wrote Obamacare. Must have rolled over in his grave when Special Need kids were excluded.
Remember the Kennedy family has supported the Special Olympics for years and years. But a Kennedy written bill on health care excludes them? Give me a break.
Then you have Obamacare taking $500b from senior citizen medicare. That really work in a greying country. In States like FL and AZ with high numbers of elderly. What do the liberal take the elderly for? Being dumbest in the class? Sorry Dude, but every elderly in the country sees that Obama was just tapping his medical benefits to give to give the 40% non taxiing paying citizen of the country.
If Obama cared about the elderly in the country with Obamacare. Again it is a reason to support it. But he when takes 500b from their benefits, he acting against their best interest.
Obama care is good for Obama's voting block of youth and non taxer in the country. But for special needs kids, elderly, small business, and self employed it stinks.
So this was just a campaign promise for part of the country. Much of it has been made unconstitutional. It showed how a DEM controlled government played politics in Washington....with back room deals, trades and special clauses in the bill. All showing the DEM can rationalize fairness to a degree ....were it is twisted out of any kind of shape or form.
Dude returning to it......wants just to avoid the real issues of the coming 2012.
bohemianjack: Better rely on someone else to check facts on this one
The e-mail about the health-care bill's 3.8 percent real estate tax received a "pants on fire" rating reserved for the most ridiculous falsehoods from the Pulitzer Prize-winning website PolitiFact.com.
Beyond that, unless you're the 'spouse' that gets to live in the 'asset' you may be getting the short end of that deal... Just sayin'.
“Facts are stupid things." --Ronald Reagan
Hmm... I learned a long time ago, Conrad knows his stuff.
Understand & appreciate what you mean about the house... but it's all good. (You don't end up with a paid-off mortgage one month after buying a house - back in the late 90's - if you don't have some kind of know-how... unless you're rich... which we were not. )
AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
SCatlyn: Hmm... I learned a long time ago, Conrad knows his stuff.
Same. Usually the dogmatic kookaid drinking echo chamber drones are the ones who don't seem to have the depth to even begin to fathom the humor, logic and crystal clear precision thinking he brings to these forums. And then sometimes, people that are just plain dumb are confused.
In any case, he keeps it short and sweet which is more than one can say for those who vainly disagree with him.
Albertaghost: Same. Usually the dogmatic kookaid drinking echo chamber drones are the ones who don't seem to have the depth to even begin to fathom the humor, logic and crystal clear precision thinking he brings to these forums. And then sometimes, people that are just plain dumb are confused.
In any case, he keeps it short and sweet which is more than one can say for those who vainly disagree with him.
I try to keep it short and sweet.
"When we have a toothache, we know that not having a toothache is a wonderful thing. But when we do not have a toothache, we are still not happy. A non-toothache is very pleasant. There are so many things that are enjoyable, but when we don’t practice mindfulness, we don’t appreciate them." ~Thich Nhat Hanh, Mindfulness
AlbertaghostCultural Wasteland, Alberta Canada5,914 posts
moodyblues: I know less than nothing about GOP or American politics and I'm definitely not going to sit and read everything you've written, but SA is trying the same and my view is this: Me, the lower middle class struggling single parent with a job, will fund those who choose to be unemployed. And yes, some people CHOOSE to be unemployed. Its not an urban myth, I see it daily with my own eyes. With prices of food and everything else skyrocketing I cannot afford medical cover for myself and three kids, but I am expected to cover the expenses of someone who chooses to be unemployed and of foreigners who live the high life here without paying taxes. Sorry my friend. Sometimes when you feed people they are thankful and sometimes when you feed them they keep taking and doing nothing in return. My dad had two daughters and he taught us to feed ourselves, whether it means with office work or sweeping streets. There are the unemployed and the elderly and the children who need help but when you choose to be unemployed, then that's your problem I'm afraid.
You just eliminated your dating possibilities with half of the guys on the site with this post.
Now, if you like unemployment benefits better do some back peddling and stop this foolish talk about your upbringing and doing whatever it takes to be working as it won't wash with the hip entitlement crowd.
If you however, want to go to the 'dark side' where a day's work means a days pay, and, really mean it, give me a shout.
Hot_Single_Dude: He will get triled and then you will know detailes TT... I am sorry but you live in a modern country based of democray and on human rights and got a jusitce system. I know this fact is a sour one for you to consumes but that,s it
Dude, I get arrested here on felony charges. My photo and my name just made the morning papers. This Muslim Marine.....is caught with explosives and weapons and has fired them at various buildings (including windows and at the people behind them) in the DC area......and they cannot say his name? Cannot place his pic in the media?
Clearly this is because because he is a Muslim. That is the Obama's political correctness is keeping him from being identified or placed into the media.
All the time, young marines are suspects for his crimes. Obama and the media failed his men. Failed to clear them of the suspicion, when they could have.
This Muslim Marine showed himself at the shooting incidents in a Marine Corp uniform. That was done on purpose to demean the honor of Corp. To cause distrust of and within the Corp. The Corp takes that very seriously. So should President Obama.
America got some of the absolutle best doctors and absolutely strong know how and tecnology and beside blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...
countinues...
...blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah...etc. etc. ad infinitum et nauseum
Dude. I am a strong supporter of Obama and a dedicated Progressive. But lawks amercy, your threads are boring, Boring, BORING! Give it a rest already. Get a girlfriend.
DiveBomber: With the country in such dire financial needs, why the leftist push for the Olympics in Chicago??
That money could be better spent where its really needed.
I think that I know why the left in Chicago wanted the summer games. Romney ran the Winter game in Salt Lake city. He made profit with it and took over when it was about to financially fail.
So?
The Chicago games was to be the left version of this. President Obama goes to Europe.....to get the games for his home town....Rob Emanuel goes to the Chicago and becomes the mayor....and runs the summer game to a success. Taking the sting from Romney's leading the Olympic games in Salt Lake City.
Albertaghost: You just eliminated your dating possibilities with half of the guys on the site with this post.
Now, if you like unemployment benefits better do some back peddling and stop this foolish talk about your upbringing and doing whatever it takes to be working as it won't wash with the hip entitlement crowd.
If you however, want to go to the 'dark side' where a day's work means a days pay, and, really mean it, give me a shout.
Am sorry Albert. I did not read the young ladies post that way. I think she was saying that being employed and having your tax monies go to unemployed is inheritantly unfair.
ActractorguyTims Ford Lake, Tennessee USA2,089 posts
ttom500: I know. That is why I am asking why this Muslim Marine got special treatment after his arrest.
Maybe the government was doing more investigation to connect him to others. And thought keeping his name and pic out the media would help. But even that does not make much sense.
They would get more leads to connections from the public with his name and pic in the media.
They don't want more. They will probably just discharge him after a few days in the brig so he can get back to his nefarious ways. I can't see him being put in Leavenworth. Someone there will have his nuts on a platter in a matter of minutes.
This country is and has been all but dead for the last couple of decades. Were just watching the huge multi train wreck in super slow motion. It's getting there.
amahlala: The Secession Party might not exactly wish to be a part of the United States but you did insult the State of Alaska (as a whole) as you cannot condemn/insult a whole state for the actions of a few.
I condumn the actions of the few and not the whole state... the same a bout Republican party for example! Critisizing and condumnation of the few GOP heads does not mean condumnation of the whole country you see?
Hot_Single_Dude: I condumn the actions of the few and not the whole state... the same a bout Republican party for example! Critisizing and condumnation of the few GOP heads does not mean condumnation of the whole country you see?
Gesh Dude you insult the majority of Americans now.....LOL.........The Tea party and REP combined are the majority in the country. The mid term proved that.
Actractorguy: They don't want more. They will probably just discharge him after a few days in the brig so he can get back to his nefarious ways. I can't see him being put in Leavenworth. Someone there will have his nuts on a platter in a matter of minutes.
This country is and has been all but dead for the last couple of decades. Were just watching the huge multi train wreck in super slow motion. It's getting there.
I think that these were local civilian criminal charges that placed on him. That is why his name not making the media was so much in question to me.
But I do think that his days as Marine are limited. Putting holes in the Pentagon or the Marine Recruiter office might be the wish of every Marine at some point in his career. But most find a way to handle the fustration of the career service.
jvaski: Do conservatives hate Obama more than they love America?October 3, 2009, 10:00AMThe happy happy joy joy response of the wingnut media over Chicago's failed bid for the 2016 Olympics is pretty good proof the right wing has not a patriotic bone in it's aging body. Clearly, their highly touted and constantly chorused love of America is far outweighed by their hatred for everything Obama. Their thinly veiled personal prejudices and burgeoning political disappointments grow more transparent every day, as the news of their glee at Chicago's lost Olympics bid so clearly proves. Bigoted, sore losers would be the best new label for the wingnut media manipulators, especially the radioheads. But, by the very standard they tried to set during Bush's disastrous tenure, they should drop any pretense of patriotism, and admit they are loyal to a fading, failed ideology, not to any real American ideals.
bohemianjack: Better rely on someone else to check facts on this one
The e-mail about the health-care bill's 3.8 percent real estate tax received a "pants on fire" rating reserved for the most ridiculous falsehoods from the Pulitzer Prize-winning website PolitiFact.com.
Beyond that, unless you're the 'spouse' that gets to live in the 'asset' you may be getting the short end of that deal... Just sayin'.
ActractorguyTims Ford Lake, Tennessee USA2,089 posts
ttom500: I think that these were local civilian criminal charges that placed on him. That is why his name not making the media was so much in question to me.
But I do think that his days as Marine are limited. Putting holes in the Pentagon or the Marine Recruiter office might be the wish of every Marine at some point in his career. But most find a way to handle the fustration of the career service.
I was in the navy over 10 years. 7 of those were on a Leather neck transport. I have the utmost respect for the Marines. Never met one while I was in no matter what their background ever say or do anything derogatory toward another Marine or the Corps itself.
This looser will pay and it won't be pretty.
Can't see it being a civilian matter as his target's were all owned by the DOD. As they say something is really rotten in Denmark.
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Just because good old Europe has it?
Good old Europe right now is into debt to good old Europe's ever loving kister. Austerity riots in Greece remember?
All Obama care is wealth redistribution under a different guise anyways. The 40% that don't pay taxes pick up a new government benefit that the 60% that do pay tax pay don't.
Obamacare lost me when it could not pay for special needs kids. Here the 40% that did not pay taxes were getting a new benefit, but the special need kids.....that really need health coverage and more benefits were iced out of the program. Dear old Teddy Kennedy that on his death bed wrote Obamacare. Must have rolled over in his grave when Special Need kids were excluded.
Remember the Kennedy family has supported the Special Olympics for years and years. But a Kennedy written bill on health care excludes them? Give me a break.
Then you have Obamacare taking $500b from senior citizen medicare. That really work in a greying country. In States like FL and AZ with high numbers of elderly. What do the liberal take the elderly for? Being dumbest in the class? Sorry Dude, but every elderly in the country sees that Obama was just tapping his medical benefits to give to give the 40% non taxiing paying citizen of the country.
If Obama cared about the elderly in the country with Obamacare.
Again it is a reason to support it. But he when takes 500b
from their benefits, he acting against their best interest.
Obama care is good for Obama's voting block of youth and non taxer in the country. But for special needs kids, elderly, small business, and self employed it stinks.
So this was just a campaign promise for part of the country. Much of it has been made unconstitutional. It showed how a DEM controlled government played politics in Washington....with back room deals, trades and special clauses in the bill. All showing the DEM can rationalize fairness to a degree ....were it is twisted out of any kind of shape or form.
Dude returning to it......wants just to avoid the real issues of the coming 2012.